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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 12:39 AM
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52. Thank you! n/t
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  -Apologies for the intemperate tone of my earlier PSU rant ... markpkessinger  Nov-10-11 11:19 PM   #0 
  - Yeah... Sorry but I don't agree with it, I see none of those points as valid  Ohio Joe   Nov-10-11 11:27 PM   #1 
  - So we jail people based not on what the law is, but what we think it should be?  markpkessinger   Nov-10-11 11:30 PM   #3 
  - As I said, I do not know the exact laws there  Ohio Joe   Nov-10-11 11:33 PM   #5 
  - In a country based on law, the actual law is a pretty big deal.An  pnwmom   Nov-10-11 11:50 PM   #8 
     - So...  Ohio Joe   Nov-10-11 11:56 PM   #13 
        - I replied about this in other posts here, but yes.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:05 AM   #22 
  - He wasn't jailed. Or arrested. He was fired.  Zoeisright   Nov-10-11 11:56 PM   #14 
     - The person I responded to said he SHOULD be jailed.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:07 AM   #23 
     - That happens--WA State leg passed a law banning sex eith animals--  eridani   Nov-11-11 04:47 AM   #114 
     - I know that. Here's the line I was responding to ...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:24 AM   #92 
  - You can only send people to jail if they violate an actual law.  pnwmom   Nov-10-11 11:49 PM   #7 
  - And still, as I said, I do not know the exact laws there  Ohio Joe   Nov-10-11 11:54 PM   #12 
     - In PA, it can be reported up the chain of command. Only the people at the top  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:02 AM   #16 
        - Thats one fucked up law they got there  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:10 AM   #27 
           - How can you stand by the idea that he should be charged? Charged with what?  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:22 AM   #39 
              - Because I think it is a crime to allow known pedophiles to work around children  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:30 AM   #47 
                 - "Because I think" is not the way the law works n/t  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:37 AM   #51 
                 - And how does the law work with him being on the board of TSM?  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:39 AM   #53 
                    - Are you certain he was even on the board? I haven't seen him listed over there.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:43 AM   #59 
                       - Yeah, pretty sure  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:47 AM   #63 
                          - Honorary board members don't do anything except lend their names  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:50 AM   #66 
                             - So they are exempt as well?  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:55 AM   #69 
                                - Go ahead. All PA's statutes are online. Find the laws he broke.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:57 AM   #74 
                 - The Grand Jury makes this decision based on the law, not based on what you think.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:42 AM   #58 
  - a simple review of if you lead, you take responsibility undercuts  roguevalley   Nov-10-11 11:54 PM   #11 
     - I agree, and I made that point to folks I talked with...  markpkessinger   Nov-10-11 11:57 PM   #15 
     - Jail for everyone? Even for the people who broke no laws?  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:04 AM   #19 
  - I hear you  melissaf   Nov-10-11 11:30 PM   #2 
  - Try living in Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi ..  Fumesucker   Nov-11-11 12:03 AM   #18 
  - Hah! Teethbrush...  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:08 AM   #24 
  - The citizens of Puyallup, WA are delighted that State College has displaced  eridani   Nov-11-11 04:51 AM   #115 
  - Question ?  DURHAM D   Nov-10-11 11:32 PM   #4 
  - No, it's the reporting law for suspected abuse cases.  pnwmom   Nov-10-11 11:52 PM   #9 
     - The excuse makers I have read are claiming that reporting  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:04 AM   #20 
        - They are right. That's why the President was fired.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:09 AM   #26 
  - I read the Grand Jury testimony...  CoffeeCat   Nov-10-11 11:46 PM   #6 
  - Not in PA. Only the leading administrators -- not all employees. Here's more info:  pnwmom   Nov-10-11 11:53 PM   #10 
     - Yes, thank you for that...  CoffeeCat   Nov-11-11 12:08 AM   #25 
  - Directly from the grand-jury testimony---  CoffeeCat   Nov-11-11 12:03 AM   #17 
  - Are you (and the students) unaware that the 2002 rape that McQueary witnessed is just the tip of  kath   Nov-11-11 12:05 AM   #21 
  - Is this an established fact  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:14 AM   #29 
  - Thanks to Joe for following the protocol MORE KIDS WERE RAPED BY SANDUSKY  LynneSin   Nov-11-11 12:14 AM   #30 
  - I agree they were right to fire him. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:20 AM   #37 
  - I wonder what the students think about Sandusky getting a promotion  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:28 AM   #45 
     - I don't know  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:41 AM   #56 
     - If you're going to comment, get the facts correct, please....  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:41 AM   #57 
     - Sorry - you need to check your facts. nt  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:44 AM   #60 
        - Uh, no -- you do. Sandusky retired in June of 1999 from PSU; McQueary is the GA who landed ...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:49 AM   #65 
           - I am well aware of Sandusky's situation as well as McQueary.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:55 AM   #70 
              - In what way?  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:01 AM   #78 
              - I have no clue what point you are trying to make.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 01:09 AM   #83 
                 - You obviously don't understand what "emeritus" means -- it's not a promotion  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:11 AM   #85 
                 - I suspect I know way more than you do.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 01:14 AM   #87 
                 - He received faculty status because he was COACH  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:15 AM   #88 
              - Here is a source for you...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:08 AM   #82 
                 - You have just proved my point.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 01:13 AM   #86 
                    - No one's arguing that point.  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:17 AM   #90 
                    - I never said he didn't ...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:20 AM   #91 
                       - Whatever you need to believe is whatever you need to believe...  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 01:25 AM   #93 
     - They should think that was terrible.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:46 AM   #62 
     - Professor Emeritus isn't a promotion, it just says you're retired  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:49 AM   #64 
        - It is also not punishment.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:54 AM   #67 
           - I agree. The University's decisions are inexcusable. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:00 AM   #76 
  - I haven't seen evidence of people at TSM who knew about what was going on.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:16 AM   #32 
     - Wait a sec... Did I not also see that Paterno was on the board of TSM?  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:22 AM   #38 
     - Yes. He enabled a pedophile for 17 years.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:36 AM   #50 
     - The board cut ties with Sandusky in 2008 when they found out about the real charges.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:56 AM   #72 
     - He had an "honorary" position, which is pretty meaningless.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:54 AM   #68 
        - But, it's true that he would know people...and imagine if he had  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-11-11 12:55 AM   #71 
        - "meaningless"? Like he did not have to report an active pedophile in the group?  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:56 AM   #73 
           - I agree that PA's law is inadequate and should be changed ASAP. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:59 AM   #75 
     - Of course TSM knew.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:32 AM   #49 
        - Attorney/client privilege would prevent the attorney from sharing information  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:01 AM   #77 
  - So if your underage kid was in that shower naked and being screwed by a man...  LynneSin   Nov-11-11 12:12 AM   #28 
  - No one is saying that. Are you saying that it's okay  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:17 AM   #34 
  - I'm saying 'bullshit' to this whole protocol/chain of command excuse  LynneSin   Nov-11-11 12:22 AM   #41 
     - I'm not defending any of THEM. I'm defending the fact that we're supposed to be a nation of laws.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:25 AM   #42 
     - I assume you are aware  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:40 AM   #54 
        - No, but it doesn't make any difference. You still can't jail someone unless they broke  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:41 AM   #55 
           - I have not made any suggestion about jailing anyone.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:46 AM   #61 
              - No, you haven't. But I've been reacting to the many posts  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:03 AM   #79 
     - Yes, and no one (or no one I know)  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:26 AM   #44 
  - Do you understand  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:20 AM   #36 
     - Thank you...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:26 AM   #43 
        - You're welcome.  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:30 AM   #46 
  - It is my hope that, in a few years time, the students of this institution  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-11-11 12:15 AM   #31 
  - I find these Penn State apologists very puzzling creatures.  tuckessee   Nov-11-11 12:16 AM   #33 
  - A handful of people at Penn State -- not the whole University --  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:19 AM   #35 
  - Thanks, pnwmom!  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:22 AM   #40 
  - Thank you! n/t  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:39 AM   #52 
  - What a dishonest argument....  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:30 AM   #48 
  - What?! Not Paterno's fault?!  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Nov-11-11 01:04 AM   #80 
  - That is true in the sense that Paterno followed the law and Schulz did not.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:07 AM   #81 
     - This is tricky, because the police were involved in 1998...  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Nov-11-11 01:35 AM   #97 
        - I agree. Paterno had a moral obligation if not a legal one.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:55 AM   #102 
        - Excellent post n\t  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 02:57 AM   #109 
  - since when is firing only appropriate when a law is broken?  TorchTheWitch   Nov-11-11 01:10 AM   #84 
  - Points taken... a few do not represent the whole.  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 01:16 AM   #89 
  - I agree entirely. I never said otherwise. n/t  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:28 AM   #94 
     - I know...  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 01:32 AM   #95 
  - regarding your second and third bullet points  fizzgig   Nov-11-11 01:34 AM   #96 
  - Yes indeed  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:41 AM   #99 
     - i had just edited to add that i don't know how he can stay  fizzgig   Nov-11-11 01:44 AM   #100 
        - Infuriatingly,  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:49 AM   #101 
           - that is possible  fizzgig   Nov-11-11 02:00 AM   #103 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-11-11 01:40 AM   #98 
  - Not even worth responding to n/t  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 02:18 AM   #105 
     - So you're denying that the frat rats at Pedo State U. are joking about  coalition_unwilling   Nov-11-11 02:28 AM   #106 
        - Dude...  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 02:48 AM   #108 
           - The OP wasn't denying my (and Anderson Cooper's) "Sanduskying"  coalition_unwilling   Nov-11-11 02:57 AM   #110 
              - OK...  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 03:22 AM   #111 
                 - The OP DID respond to say that my post was not worth  coalition_unwilling   Nov-11-11 03:37 AM   #112 
                    - Actually, I think I am going to start polling at riots  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 03:52 AM   #113 
  - The fans should be demanding heads...  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 02:12 AM   #104 
  - Yes, one can be dismissed for poor judgment on a supervisory responsibiity even if ....  aikoaiko   Nov-11-11 02:35 AM   #107 

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