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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-11 12:08 AM
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25. Yes, thank you for that...
I typed that gj testimony, read it and I see now. Paterno was obligated
to tell the higher-ups--who where then supposed to report to law enforcement
and to child-protective services--and that was never done.

Even tho Paterno may have followed the law--it is outlandish and horrifying
that a child was raped and there was a witness and nothing was done. Paterno
knew about it and there was never any follow through or legal recourse.

Also, it is obvious that the higher ups at Penn State need to go--the two men
cited in the gj testimony.

They're lying and the gj testimony says that their version of events isn't credible.
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  -Apologies for the intemperate tone of my earlier PSU rant ... markpkessinger  Nov-10-11 11:19 PM   #0 
  - Yeah... Sorry but I don't agree with it, I see none of those points as valid  Ohio Joe   Nov-10-11 11:27 PM   #1 
  - So we jail people based not on what the law is, but what we think it should be?  markpkessinger   Nov-10-11 11:30 PM   #3 
  - As I said, I do not know the exact laws there  Ohio Joe   Nov-10-11 11:33 PM   #5 
  - In a country based on law, the actual law is a pretty big deal.An  pnwmom   Nov-10-11 11:50 PM   #8 
     - So...  Ohio Joe   Nov-10-11 11:56 PM   #13 
        - I replied about this in other posts here, but yes.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:05 AM   #22 
  - He wasn't jailed. Or arrested. He was fired.  Zoeisright   Nov-10-11 11:56 PM   #14 
     - The person I responded to said he SHOULD be jailed.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:07 AM   #23 
     - That happens--WA State leg passed a law banning sex eith animals--  eridani   Nov-11-11 04:47 AM   #114 
     - I know that. Here's the line I was responding to ...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:24 AM   #92 
  - You can only send people to jail if they violate an actual law.  pnwmom   Nov-10-11 11:49 PM   #7 
  - And still, as I said, I do not know the exact laws there  Ohio Joe   Nov-10-11 11:54 PM   #12 
     - In PA, it can be reported up the chain of command. Only the people at the top  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:02 AM   #16 
        - Thats one fucked up law they got there  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:10 AM   #27 
           - How can you stand by the idea that he should be charged? Charged with what?  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:22 AM   #39 
              - Because I think it is a crime to allow known pedophiles to work around children  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:30 AM   #47 
                 - "Because I think" is not the way the law works n/t  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:37 AM   #51 
                 - And how does the law work with him being on the board of TSM?  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:39 AM   #53 
                    - Are you certain he was even on the board? I haven't seen him listed over there.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:43 AM   #59 
                       - Yeah, pretty sure  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:47 AM   #63 
                          - Honorary board members don't do anything except lend their names  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:50 AM   #66 
                             - So they are exempt as well?  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:55 AM   #69 
                                - Go ahead. All PA's statutes are online. Find the laws he broke.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:57 AM   #74 
                 - The Grand Jury makes this decision based on the law, not based on what you think.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:42 AM   #58 
  - a simple review of if you lead, you take responsibility undercuts  roguevalley   Nov-10-11 11:54 PM   #11 
     - I agree, and I made that point to folks I talked with...  markpkessinger   Nov-10-11 11:57 PM   #15 
     - Jail for everyone? Even for the people who broke no laws?  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:04 AM   #19 
  - I hear you  melissaf   Nov-10-11 11:30 PM   #2 
  - Try living in Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi ..  Fumesucker   Nov-11-11 12:03 AM   #18 
  - Hah! Teethbrush...  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:08 AM   #24 
  - The citizens of Puyallup, WA are delighted that State College has displaced  eridani   Nov-11-11 04:51 AM   #115 
  - Question ?  DURHAM D   Nov-10-11 11:32 PM   #4 
  - No, it's the reporting law for suspected abuse cases.  pnwmom   Nov-10-11 11:52 PM   #9 
     - The excuse makers I have read are claiming that reporting  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:04 AM   #20 
        - They are right. That's why the President was fired.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:09 AM   #26 
  - I read the Grand Jury testimony...  CoffeeCat   Nov-10-11 11:46 PM   #6 
  - Not in PA. Only the leading administrators -- not all employees. Here's more info:  pnwmom   Nov-10-11 11:53 PM   #10 
     - Yes, thank you for that...  CoffeeCat   Nov-11-11 12:08 AM   #25 
  - Directly from the grand-jury testimony---  CoffeeCat   Nov-11-11 12:03 AM   #17 
  - Are you (and the students) unaware that the 2002 rape that McQueary witnessed is just the tip of  kath   Nov-11-11 12:05 AM   #21 
  - Is this an established fact  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:14 AM   #29 
  - Thanks to Joe for following the protocol MORE KIDS WERE RAPED BY SANDUSKY  LynneSin   Nov-11-11 12:14 AM   #30 
  - I agree they were right to fire him. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:20 AM   #37 
  - I wonder what the students think about Sandusky getting a promotion  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:28 AM   #45 
     - I don't know  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:41 AM   #56 
     - If you're going to comment, get the facts correct, please....  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:41 AM   #57 
     - Sorry - you need to check your facts. nt  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:44 AM   #60 
        - Uh, no -- you do. Sandusky retired in June of 1999 from PSU; McQueary is the GA who landed ...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:49 AM   #65 
           - I am well aware of Sandusky's situation as well as McQueary.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:55 AM   #70 
              - In what way?  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:01 AM   #78 
              - I have no clue what point you are trying to make.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 01:09 AM   #83 
                 - You obviously don't understand what "emeritus" means -- it's not a promotion  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:11 AM   #85 
                 - I suspect I know way more than you do.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 01:14 AM   #87 
                 - He received faculty status because he was COACH  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:15 AM   #88 
              - Here is a source for you...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:08 AM   #82 
                 - You have just proved my point.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 01:13 AM   #86 
                    - No one's arguing that point.  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:17 AM   #90 
                    - I never said he didn't ...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:20 AM   #91 
                       - Whatever you need to believe is whatever you need to believe...  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 01:25 AM   #93 
     - They should think that was terrible.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:46 AM   #62 
     - Professor Emeritus isn't a promotion, it just says you're retired  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:49 AM   #64 
        - It is also not punishment.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:54 AM   #67 
           - I agree. The University's decisions are inexcusable. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:00 AM   #76 
  - I haven't seen evidence of people at TSM who knew about what was going on.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:16 AM   #32 
     - Wait a sec... Did I not also see that Paterno was on the board of TSM?  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:22 AM   #38 
     - Yes. He enabled a pedophile for 17 years.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:36 AM   #50 
     - The board cut ties with Sandusky in 2008 when they found out about the real charges.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:56 AM   #72 
     - He had an "honorary" position, which is pretty meaningless.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:54 AM   #68 
        - But, it's true that he would know people...and imagine if he had  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-11-11 12:55 AM   #71 
        - "meaningless"? Like he did not have to report an active pedophile in the group?  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-11 12:56 AM   #73 
           - I agree that PA's law is inadequate and should be changed ASAP. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:59 AM   #75 
     - Of course TSM knew.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:32 AM   #49 
        - Attorney/client privilege would prevent the attorney from sharing information  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:01 AM   #77 
  - So if your underage kid was in that shower naked and being screwed by a man...  LynneSin   Nov-11-11 12:12 AM   #28 
  - No one is saying that. Are you saying that it's okay  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:17 AM   #34 
  - I'm saying 'bullshit' to this whole protocol/chain of command excuse  LynneSin   Nov-11-11 12:22 AM   #41 
     - I'm not defending any of THEM. I'm defending the fact that we're supposed to be a nation of laws.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:25 AM   #42 
     - I assume you are aware  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:40 AM   #54 
        - No, but it doesn't make any difference. You still can't jail someone unless they broke  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:41 AM   #55 
           - I have not made any suggestion about jailing anyone.  DURHAM D   Nov-11-11 12:46 AM   #61 
              - No, you haven't. But I've been reacting to the many posts  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:03 AM   #79 
     - Yes, and no one (or no one I know)  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:26 AM   #44 
  - Do you understand  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:20 AM   #36 
     - Thank you...  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:26 AM   #43 
        - You're welcome.  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:30 AM   #46 
  - It is my hope that, in a few years time, the students of this institution  ScreamingMeemie   Nov-11-11 12:15 AM   #31 
  - I find these Penn State apologists very puzzling creatures.  tuckessee   Nov-11-11 12:16 AM   #33 
  - A handful of people at Penn State -- not the whole University --  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 12:19 AM   #35 
  - Thanks, pnwmom!  melissaf   Nov-11-11 12:22 AM   #40 
  - Thank you! n/t  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:39 AM   #52 
  - What a dishonest argument....  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 12:30 AM   #48 
  - What?! Not Paterno's fault?!  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Nov-11-11 01:04 AM   #80 
  - That is true in the sense that Paterno followed the law and Schulz did not.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:07 AM   #81 
     - This is tricky, because the police were involved in 1998...  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Nov-11-11 01:35 AM   #97 
        - I agree. Paterno had a moral obligation if not a legal one.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 01:55 AM   #102 
        - Excellent post n\t  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 02:57 AM   #109 
  - since when is firing only appropriate when a law is broken?  TorchTheWitch   Nov-11-11 01:10 AM   #84 
  - Points taken... a few do not represent the whole.  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 01:16 AM   #89 
  - I agree entirely. I never said otherwise. n/t  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 01:28 AM   #94 
     - I know...  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 01:32 AM   #95 
  - regarding your second and third bullet points  fizzgig   Nov-11-11 01:34 AM   #96 
  - Yes indeed  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:41 AM   #99 
     - i had just edited to add that i don't know how he can stay  fizzgig   Nov-11-11 01:44 AM   #100 
        - Infuriatingly,  melissaf   Nov-11-11 01:49 AM   #101 
           - that is possible  fizzgig   Nov-11-11 02:00 AM   #103 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-11-11 01:40 AM   #98 
  - Not even worth responding to n/t  markpkessinger   Nov-11-11 02:18 AM   #105 
     - So you're denying that the frat rats at Pedo State U. are joking about  coalition_unwilling   Nov-11-11 02:28 AM   #106 
        - Dude...  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 02:48 AM   #108 
           - The OP wasn't denying my (and Anderson Cooper's) "Sanduskying"  coalition_unwilling   Nov-11-11 02:57 AM   #110 
              - OK...  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 03:22 AM   #111 
                 - The OP DID respond to say that my post was not worth  coalition_unwilling   Nov-11-11 03:37 AM   #112 
                    - Actually, I think I am going to start polling at riots  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 03:52 AM   #113 
  - The fans should be demanding heads...  deadinsider   Nov-11-11 02:12 AM   #104 
  - Yes, one can be dismissed for poor judgment on a supervisory responsibiity even if ....  aikoaiko   Nov-11-11 02:35 AM   #107 
 

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