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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:18 PM
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68. Almost as dishonest as focusing on speculative
"I think it's dishonest to say no..."

Almost as dishonest as focusing on speculative, fictional, hypotheticals over that of an actual occurrence... :shrug:
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  -If Sandusky had been caught raping an 11 year old girl in 2000, he'd be in prison. lumberjack_jeff  Nov-10-11 10:15 AM   #0 
  - I don't think gender has to do with the cover up  Harmony Blue   Nov-10-11 10:18 AM   #1 
  - I think it 100% germane. I believe we will learn of more pedophile vs. boys, as with the RC Church.  WinkyDink   Nov-10-11 07:37 PM   #106 
  - polenski anyone? bullshit. girls and women are raped. rapist becomes victim  seabeyond   Nov-10-11 10:19 AM   #2 
  - If Jim Calhoun had caught him raping a girl in the shower in 2000  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 10:37 AM   #19 
     - too many girls and women are being raped and men are doing nothing. further, they are doing just  seabeyond   Nov-10-11 10:44 AM   #24 
     - As best I can tell, Polanski was arrested on the day of his crime. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 11:00 AM   #30 
        - And Then He Turned Tail And Ran While Hollywood Made Apologia  NashVegas   Nov-10-11 11:13 AM   #39 
     - Supposition.  LanternWaste   Nov-10-11 11:22 AM   #45 
  - I dunno  Mz Pip   Nov-10-11 10:20 AM   #3 
  - The powerful manage to cover up sexual abuse no matter the gender of the victim.  myrna minx   Nov-10-11 10:22 AM   #4 
  - I agree  Johonny   Nov-10-11 11:25 AM   #46 
  - Get A Clue  RobinA   Nov-10-11 12:20 PM   #60 
  - Yes. We ALL remember Roman Polanski.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 12:47 PM   #63 
     - Wow.  helderheid   Nov-10-11 11:01 PM   #133 
  - Gender is irrelevant.  RandomKoolzip   Nov-10-11 10:23 AM   #5 
  - Not to the OP, for whom gender is everything.  Bunny   Nov-10-11 12:08 PM   #55 
     - It's nice to have a following.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 02:33 PM   #71 
        - even if they are shaking their head in pity, thinking you need help?  bettyellen   Nov-10-11 08:30 PM   #110 
           - You are entitled to be wrong.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 09:35 PM   #120 
  - I don't agree that gender had anything to do wtih this coverup. This was about big college athletics  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 10:24 AM   #6 
  - He did get away with it far longer precisely because he was diddling the boys.  RC   Nov-10-11 10:32 AM   #15 
     - Or the victims, for all its equivalent relevancy...?  LanternWaste   Nov-10-11 11:37 AM   #49 
        - It might be relevant if the victim were wearing a star of david in the shower, maybe.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 11:43 AM   #51 
           - Almost as dishonest as focusing on speculative  LanternWaste   Nov-10-11 02:18 PM   #68 
              - Boys town. The Boy Scouts. The catholic church. Penn State.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 02:38 PM   #72 
                 - The FLDS compound and all the other polygamous compounds in the US  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 06:20 PM   #82 
                    - No, the prevailing attitude that men and boys aren't victims of rape is detrimental.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 06:37 PM   #91 
                    - I have no idea how you got the impression that anyone believes men and boys aren't being raped!!  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 06:43 PM   #94 
                    - Michael Jackson.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 06:51 PM   #97 
  - Bullshit. This isn't about the gender of the victims, but rather the connections of the abuser. nt  Lone_Star_Dem   Nov-10-11 10:25 AM   #7 
  - A woman with signed affadavits says that Cain tried to sexually assault her...  JaneQPublic   Nov-10-11 10:25 AM   #8 
  - Was she 10 at the time?  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 10:38 AM   #20 
  - I don't agree. However, if Sandusky had been female and done the same thing  Lance_Boyle   Nov-10-11 10:25 AM   #9 
  - Why do people say, "Lucky kids?"  redqueen   Nov-10-11 10:29 AM   #14 
  - She would be 22 years old now and would be trashed for not saying anything then  lunatica   Nov-10-11 10:26 AM   #10 
  - +1  redqueen   Nov-10-11 10:28 AM   #11 
  - sadly, true...  hlthe2b   Nov-10-11 10:32 AM   #16 
  - The eyewitnesses are the ones who remained silent. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 10:44 AM   #25 
  - two words..... Catholic Clergy.  hlthe2b   Nov-10-11 10:29 AM   #12 
  - They mostly were boys. You're making my argument.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 10:43 AM   #23 
     - No... Your argument was that girls impacted would result in more immediate disclosure...  hlthe2b   Nov-10-11 10:57 AM   #29 
        - Your disgust is noted.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 11:02 AM   #31 
        - Yes... covering up pedophilia--regardless of gender is the issue.  hlthe2b   Nov-10-11 11:05 AM   # 
        - Sexual abuse of boys is systematically underreported.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 11:11 AM   #36 
           - Under-reported by the boys... The issue here is the underreporting of the WITNESSES  hlthe2b   Nov-10-11 11:15 AM   #40 
              - One in six boys are sexually abused by age 18.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 11:32 AM   #47 
                 - And how many female rapes go un-reported...  hlthe2b   Nov-10-11 11:35 AM   #48 
                    - If caught in the Penn St. shower with a preteen girl, the reaction would have been the same?  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 11:38 AM   #50 
                       - You keep saying that.... as though the male victim was deemed somehow more acceptable...  hlthe2b   Nov-10-11 11:45 AM   #52 
                       - What precisely leads you to believe that the reaction would have not been the same?  LanternWaste   Nov-10-11 12:16 PM   #58 
        - AND against young girls  Remember Me   Nov-10-11 05:05 PM   #73 
           - Yep. And that was covered as well.  Pithlet   Nov-10-11 05:18 PM   #74 
        - It's Also Most Likely Incorrect  NashVegas   Nov-10-11 11:07 AM   #35 
           - Link please.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 11:13 AM   #37 
  - OK, we discussed. The consensus appears to be that you are full of shit. But thanks for playing.  11 Bravo   Nov-10-11 10:29 AM   #13 
  - not a single person here thinks otherwise.  bettyellen   Nov-10-11 07:35 PM   #105 
  - If Sandusky was a minority, I suspect the same thing would have happened  LynneSin   Nov-10-11 10:33 AM   #17 
  - This is what happens  atreides1   Nov-10-11 10:35 AM   #18 
  - You could be right, but not for the reason you think.  MineralMan   Nov-10-11 10:42 AM   #21 
  - Yet it did happen at Penn State, people did witness it and they did nothing.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 10:49 AM   #26 
     - I don't think it would change a single thing  Aerows   Nov-10-11 11:06 AM   #34 
     - Dude, its sad, but it happens.  GirlinContempt   Nov-10-11 11:41 PM   #134 
  - Gender had nothing to with it  Aerows   Nov-10-11 10:42 AM   #22 
  - They covered it up because they didn't think it was a big deal.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 10:50 AM   #27 
     - They covered it up  Aerows   Nov-10-11 11:04 AM   #32 
     - which is why I again ask if the missing DA's finances were ever  hlthe2b   Nov-10-11 11:13 AM   #38 
        - Me too  Aerows   Nov-10-11 11:17 AM   #41 
     - Not true. They turned their heads 'cause of the MILLIONS of $$$ the football division  Honeycombe8   Nov-10-11 12:13 PM   #57 
        - Anyone who was privvy to those events could have called the cops.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 12:43 PM   #62 
           - Happens to girls too. Child sexual abuse is about power and control by sick minds.  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 06:23 PM   #84 
              - The FLDS example was good.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 06:42 PM   #93 
                 - Oh FFS!! You really don't think sex trafficking, prostitution, rampant foster home chilld sexual  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 06:44 PM   #95 
  - I'm not at all sure about that.  Chorophyll   Nov-10-11 10:50 AM   #28 
  - +1.  wickerwoman   Nov-11-11 12:59 AM   #138 
     - +100.  Chorophyll   Nov-11-11 03:07 PM   #154 
  - Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit  NashVegas   Nov-10-11 11:05 AM   #33 
  - The perpetrators in that case were arrested and charged.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 11:18 AM   #42 
  - Because Of Kids Who Were Passing Video Around All Over the Place  NashVegas   Nov-10-11 01:04 PM   #65 
  - Some people's reality is skewed...  redqueen   Nov-10-11 11:20 AM   #43 
  - .  Bunny   Nov-10-11 12:11 PM   #56 
  - +1 n/t  demmiblue   Nov-10-11 05:27 PM   #76 
  - Then there was the high school cheerleader  lolly   Nov-10-11 11:47 AM   #53 
  - The quoted "townspeople" were a bunch crackpots at a Nation of Islam gathering  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Nov-10-11 05:42 PM   #77 
  - The quoted "townspeople" were a bunch crackpots at a Nation of Islam gathering  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Nov-10-11 05:45 PM   #78 
  - Somehow I doubt it.  bengalherder   Nov-10-11 11:20 AM   #44 
  - Do you know anything at all about the arrest and conviction rate of rapists?  Missy Vixen   Nov-10-11 11:52 AM   #54 
  - My, those were some sobering statistics...  MrMickeysMom   Nov-10-11 05:51 PM   #80 
     - Oh, but that doesn't matter. :sarcasm:  Missy Vixen   Nov-10-11 06:24 PM   #85 
  - I see you already have made up your mind but you'd be wrong. Millions of girls have been raped  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 12:19 PM   #59 
  - "Discuss" That word doesn't mean what you think it means.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 12:36 PM   #61 
     - RIght. "Discuss" to you, means  Pithlet   Nov-10-11 12:56 PM   #64 
     - Americans don't care as much about boys.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 01:53 PM   #66 
        - Yeah, right  Missy Vixen   Nov-10-11 02:13 PM   #67 
        - Odd agenda, that's for sure.  October   Nov-10-11 02:23 PM   #69 
        - Well for starters, that's not what your link says.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 02:31 PM   #70 
           - Oooooh, I miswrote the stat in my response, therefore, it's not something you'll comment on  Missy Vixen   Nov-10-11 06:30 PM   #88 
        - Lumberjack-you used an adoption study--kind of dishonest  Helgaloo   Nov-10-11 08:48 PM   #114 
     - Why is is so important to you to differentiate and put girls and their  Remember Me   Nov-10-11 05:19 PM   #75 
     - You may suggest, as gently or condescendingly as you wish.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 06:28 PM   #87 
        - The TV people call it "fondling" or "molestation" or "abuse" because of their standards and  Missy Vixen   Nov-10-11 06:37 PM   #90 
     - You have provided absolutely zero proof that the sexual molestation of boys is taken any less  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 06:27 PM   #86 
     - if you don;t realize that you're just making shit up, maybe it;s time to get help.  bettyellen   Nov-10-11 07:42 PM   #107 
  - No....  MrMickeysMom   Nov-10-11 05:49 PM   #79 
  - so not true. nt  La Lioness Priyanka   Nov-10-11 05:53 PM   #81 
  - refuckingdiculous assumption.  PeaceNikki   Nov-10-11 06:22 PM   #83 
  - WTF?  etherealtruth   Nov-10-11 06:31 PM   #89 
  - Are the boy scouts, the catholic church, boys town and countless group homes  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 06:40 PM   #92 
     - Pretty much  etherealtruth   Nov-10-11 06:49 PM   #96 
     - You know the Boys Toiwn sexual abuse was happening to girls too right? The FLDS  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 06:51 PM   #98 
        - It's very unfortunate that horrific acts ...  etherealtruth   Nov-10-11 06:56 PM   #100 
  - Why? Because the MEN who witnessed it didn't care that a boy was raped?  DevonRex   Nov-10-11 06:52 PM   #99 
  - I'm not forgetting anything.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 06:56 PM   #101 
     - So it's not the gender of the victim that mattered. It might be the gender  DevonRex   Nov-10-11 07:42 PM   #108 
     - Men and women react similarly to the victimization of women.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 09:29 PM   #118 
        - Stats? Link? Something, anything credible? nt  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 10:34 PM   # 
     - Lumberjack-where do you get this stuff?  Helgaloo   Nov-10-11 08:20 PM   #109 
     - Welcome to DU Helgaloo! I hope you stay and join us!  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 09:19 PM   #117 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-10-11 09:32 PM   #119 
        - A DUer posted about something horrible that happened to her  Pithlet   Nov-10-11 09:42 PM   #122 
        - She was grabbed inappropriately so bystanders put her assailant in the hospital.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-10-11 09:51 PM   #123 
           - How do you compare and contrast that?  Pithlet   Nov-10-11 09:53 PM   #124 
              - Of course. A 10 year old is entirely defenseless. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-11 11:04 AM   #142 
                 - I notice you didn't address the cases where bystanders didn't defend women.  Pithlet   Nov-11-11 04:08 PM   #158 
        - How about women who are gang raped at college parties.  Pithlet   Nov-10-11 10:20 PM   #125 
     - Thousands of years of human experience suggest otherwise. Female rape victims are rarely believed.  yardwork   Nov-11-11 09:36 AM   #141 
        - Credibility isn't an issue here. The eyewitnesses helped cover it up.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-11 11:23 AM   #143 
  - I agree 100%.  aaaaaa5a   Nov-10-11 06:57 PM   #102 
  - baloney  TorchTheWitch   Nov-10-11 07:11 PM   #103 
  - I agree.  Faithful One   Nov-10-11 07:21 PM   #104 
  - oh please if the 10 year old girl looked 14, a lot of guys would totally look the other way.  bettyellen   Nov-10-11 08:33 PM   #111 
     - Agree Read my post #109  Helgaloo   Nov-10-11 08:37 PM   #112 
        - loved your post. Very telling only a woman followed through to police. Sad.  bettyellen   Nov-10-11 08:41 PM   #113 
           - Thanks, and why are we even discussing this?  Helgaloo   Nov-10-11 08:53 PM   #115 
           - That was my point, too. All the MEN who knew looked the other way.  DevonRex   Nov-10-11 08:57 PM   #116 
  - Spare Me -  we can do it   Nov-10-11 09:41 PM   #121 
  - Why on earth do you hate women and girls so much?  LeftyMom   Nov-10-11 10:23 PM   #126 
  - Weak. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-11 11:35 AM   #148 
  - You're an idiot.  flvegan   Nov-10-11 10:34 PM   #127 
  - Lol!! And a hug to you. I've been tempted to alert on this thread as flame bait all day  riderinthestorm   Nov-10-11 10:36 PM   #128 
  - I look forward to sharing  flvegan   Nov-10-11 10:45 PM   #132 
     - If I can be there as well, I'll bring the beer  Missy Vixen   Nov-11-11 12:48 AM   #136 
        - Cheers to good friends!!!!!  flvegan   Nov-11-11 12:51 AM   #137 
  - Weak.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-11 11:31 AM   #146 
  - That's certainly worth considering. When dad finds out his little  jtuck004   Nov-10-11 10:39 PM   #129 
  - Absolutely blithering idiocy.  Starry Messenger   Nov-10-11 10:39 PM   #130 
  - No, an 11 yr old girl was gang raped and the town blamed her. She dressed slutty. I doubt in this  Pisces   Nov-10-11 10:40 PM   #131 
  - When did The Nation of Islam become the defacto spokesman for any community?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Nov-11-11 01:58 AM   #139 
     - The article in the NY Times ( not the nation of Islam) questioned her attire and loose nature.  Pisces   Nov-11-11 09:30 AM   #140 
        - the "community at large" was a bunch of nutjobs interviewed at a Nation of Islam event  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Nov-11-11 10:58 PM   #159 
  - If it had been girls I give odds that he would still be up to it.  Exultant Democracy   Nov-11-11 12:19 AM   #135 
  - Yes...totally correct.  Rex   Nov-11-11 11:24 AM   #144 
  - I say if it has been a female child it would been LESS LIKELY to have been reported. nt  Lex   Nov-11-11 11:26 AM   #145 
  - Then you'd be wrong.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-11 11:35 AM   #147 
     - Nope. The rape of female children happens far more often  Lex   Nov-11-11 11:42 AM   #149 
        - by nope, you mean yup.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-11-11 02:41 PM   #152 
  - not sure about that, but what I am sure of is that girl  Whisp   Nov-11-11 11:45 AM   #150 
  - +1  redqueen   Nov-11-11 02:46 PM   #153 
  - Only if it were McQueary's daughter--OR son. THAT would have made a difference.  spooky3   Nov-11-11 11:51 AM   #151 
  - I'm not sure you're wrong.  EFerrari   Nov-11-11 03:09 PM   #155 
  - I was almost my adult size when I was eleven -- plenty of girls look older than their age.  pnwmom   Nov-11-11 03:12 PM   #156 
  - nope if he'd been caught raping a girl we never would have heard word one about it  pitohui   Nov-11-11 03:16 PM   #157 
 

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