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Mon Nov-07-11 04:34 AM
Response to Reply #83 |
| 91. Excellent post, Selatius! PLUS ONE! |
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It is a dirty shame you have to serve as teacher on DU.
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| -In 1989, I made $15.00/hour |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 02:52 PM |
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It was a lot better when everyone's wages were patterned after union workers |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-06-11 03:00 PM |
#1 |
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I was raising two kids and going to school |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:06 PM |
#6 |
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IT IS THE DAMN TEMPORARY HELP SERVICES |
HowHasItComeToThis |
Nov-06-11 11:11 PM |
#70 |
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So very true |
Johnny Noshoes |
Nov-07-11 09:00 AM |
#113 |
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In one interview I had |
EC |
Nov-07-11 10:36 AM |
#127 |
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Exactly!!! I was never in a union, but I was ALWAYS grateful for what |
RKP5637 |
Nov-06-11 03:07 PM |
#8 |
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My late father never got out of grade school and understood this |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-06-11 04:07 PM |
#25 |
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There are plenty of people in my red-as-a-baboon's-arse state who would benefit from unions |
raccoon |
Nov-07-11 08:24 AM |
#108 |
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You know, it's the weirdest psychological twist ever, people convinced that |
RKP5637 |
Nov-07-11 10:34 AM |
#124 |
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Yes, now people seem proud that we are aiming for the least comon denominator |
Cal Carpenter |
Nov-06-11 03:59 PM |
#23 |
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Agreed & Well Said |
Sherman A1 |
Nov-07-11 02:34 AM |
#85 |
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Which is precisely why they targeted unions... |
trotsky |
Nov-07-11 06:35 AM |
#103 |
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Any time I see Koch BS about how certain professions are overpaid, it makes my blood boil. |
Initech |
Nov-06-11 03:00 PM |
#2 |
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k&r. that's backbreaking work, literally. |
Laluchacontinua |
Nov-06-11 03:04 PM |
#3 |
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Being a nurses aide sucks. The only way I'd do it would be if |
MineralMan |
Nov-06-11 03:04 PM |
#4 |
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I kind of did it that way in the Army. |
Rozlee |
Nov-06-11 08:45 PM |
#45 |
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do I have to deal with body fluids ? |
Skittles |
Nov-06-11 09:02 PM |
#50 |
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Yes. At least nowadays, you get to wear gloves. |
Bette Noir |
Nov-06-11 11:45 PM |
#73 |
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y'all are angels |
Skittles |
Nov-07-11 12:05 AM |
#77 |
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I have friends that used to make over $100k/yr. Their job now goes for about $40k/yr to |
RKP5637 |
Nov-06-11 03:05 PM |
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Yep. As far as I can tell |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:12 PM |
#9 |
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THis bears repeating, |
raccoon |
Nov-07-11 08:25 AM |
#109 |
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Yep, it's the domino theory all over the place. It's hard to keep standing when |
RKP5637 |
Nov-07-11 10:38 AM |
#128 |
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It's the result of a culture that has championed the individual over community at all cost. |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 05:00 PM |
#156 |
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The last statement is beautiful! And the one about the 30 past years is sooo true! We have |
RKP5637 |
Nov-07-11 05:28 PM |
#157 |
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They started the class warfare a long long time ago. |
RegieRocker |
Nov-06-11 03:07 PM |
#7 |
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+100 |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 03:21 PM |
#12 |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Nov-06-11 03:16 PM |
#10 |
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union grocery cashier pay in the 70's in calif. 14-18$ and hour. nt |
seabeyond |
Nov-06-11 03:20 PM |
#11 |
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I put myself through college with a part-time union cashier job. |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 05:48 PM |
#158 |
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i ahd forgotten about this. but it really says something looking how wage has DECREASED. |
seabeyond |
Nov-08-11 02:12 PM |
#172 |
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I guess this proves Milton Freedman's theory WRONG |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 03:24 PM |
#13 |
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Isn't the point of capitalism to make money? |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:30 PM |
#14 |
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Several forms of Capitalism |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 03:43 PM |
#17 |
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I wasn't tagging anyone Socialist? And I didn't mention OWS? |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:47 PM |
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After the Manufacturing Capitalistic Society in the 1950s |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 04:49 PM |
#30 |
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Ah, it was the manufacturing capitalistic society that did it? |
JoeyT |
Nov-06-11 05:01 PM |
#34 |
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The 1950s economic boom wouldn't have been possible except for 1) the New Deal and 2) labor unions. |
Selatius |
Nov-07-11 01:32 AM |
#83 |
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Excellent post, Selatius! PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:34 AM |
#91 |
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Yeah. This post...+10000. n/t |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-07-11 07:21 AM |
#105 |
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It goes in cycles. |
JoeyT |
Nov-07-11 09:43 AM |
#117 |
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PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:27 AM |
#89 |
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Most of us would like to see |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:31 AM |
#90 |
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yeah, capitalism has been so great in China - poisoned food, water, air.... |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-07-11 06:31 AM |
#102 |
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I will proudly say that I am a socialist. |
blackspade |
Nov-06-11 11:46 PM |
#74 |
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Only short-sighted capitalists work the way you describe |
jeff47 |
Nov-06-11 08:42 PM |
#44 |
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Capitalism means |
aggiesal |
Nov-06-11 09:14 PM |
#54 |
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Amen to that |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 09:36 PM |
#59 |
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Amen. That's how it works. nt |
raccoon |
Nov-07-11 08:27 AM |
#110 |
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He had a whole series on PBS in the 1980s (Reagan era, of course!) called |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-06-11 04:52 PM |
#32 |
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Change that to "Free to Collapse" |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 05:01 PM |
#35 |
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Laissez-faire only applies to things that hinder them from making money |
Thav |
Nov-07-11 08:50 AM |
#112 |
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We had to watch that slop in high school econ. Our teacher thought he was a genius |
AllyCat |
Nov-06-11 09:29 PM |
#56 |
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Friedman was not wrong. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-07-11 12:21 AM |
#78 |
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PLUS ONE! Very good post! N/T |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:39 AM |
#93 |
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I think uncle Milt was the most dangerous man of the last century. |
MedicalAdmin |
Nov-07-11 07:29 AM |
#106 |
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Scratch Obama and you find uncle Milton |
pscot |
Nov-07-11 11:37 AM |
#139 |
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You know what you called insisting on failed free market systems? |
alp227 |
Nov-07-11 11:57 AM |
#147 |
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i was making anywhere from 10-12 (without over time) in the early 70`s with... |
madrchsod |
Nov-06-11 03:33 PM |
#15 |
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I had a friend that worked for Bethlehem Pennsylvania Shipyard in the early 80's |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:41 PM |
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If they would actually pass balanced trade deals instead of this bullshit free trade crap ... |
Selatius |
Nov-07-11 01:38 AM |
#84 |
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After 3 years and 3 layoffs later I make 37% less now. For the same job. |
Lochloosa |
Nov-06-11 03:47 PM |
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I was talking to someone about this the other day. |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-06-11 03:50 PM |
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The REAL disparity isn't just the wages |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:54 PM |
#21 |
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I remember when kids could work a summer job and save enough |
Sal Minella |
Nov-06-11 04:49 PM |
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yep |
oldhippydude |
Nov-07-11 05:44 AM |
#99 |
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And meanwhile, the Right Wing Financial Gurus are still telling kids |
Sal Minella |
Nov-07-11 01:01 PM |
#152 |
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The REAL benefit of sending kids to college for 4 years |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-07-11 02:28 PM |
#153 |
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I know of more than a few... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-07-11 07:27 PM |
#167 |
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"We have so many people with top-notch educations unable to find halfway decent jobs now." |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 06:27 PM |
#161 |
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This is THE issue--not that wages are stagnant...wages have declined |
live love laugh |
Nov-06-11 03:50 PM |
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In his book, "Take this Job & Ship It", former senator Byron Dorgan (ND-D) stated that, |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 06:30 PM |
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It's what immigration is doing to your wages. |
Yo_Mama |
Nov-06-11 03:55 PM |
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I 100% disagree. n/t |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 04:01 PM |
#24 |
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Not true--the wage declines are across the board & not just in immigrant related occupations, nt |
live love laugh |
Nov-06-11 04:22 PM |
#26 |
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'fraid not. |
jeff47 |
Nov-06-11 08:47 PM |
#47 |
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No. Canada has 4 times higher rate of immigration. It is good for their economy. n/t |
pampango |
Nov-06-11 08:53 PM |
#48 |
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Canada allows virtually ZERO unskilled immigrants each year. We allow a million or more. nt |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:48 AM |
#132 |
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Partly true. Canada's immigration is about 70/30 skilled/unskilled. |
pampango |
Nov-07-11 11:45 AM |
#142 |
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OK. So the percentage of unskilled immigrants in Canandian society is tiny compared to the US. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 11:48 AM |
#143 |
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No. Unskilled immigrants are a higher percentage of Canadian society than in the US. |
pampango |
Nov-07-11 12:51 PM |
#151 |
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Absolute nonsense, and you've provided no numbers to substantiate any of this. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 04:05 PM |
#155 |
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I disagree. |
Rozlee |
Nov-06-11 09:03 PM |
#51 |
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Agreed. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-06-11 09:56 PM |
#64 |
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Yet still untrue. |
Occulus |
Nov-07-11 09:40 AM |
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In 2006, Illegal immigration depressed wages $1.4 billion in Arizona alone. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-07-11 09:50 AM |
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Third choice: Illegal immigration isn't SOLELY responsible for decades of depressed wages. |
Occulus |
Nov-07-11 10:35 AM |
#125 |
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That claim only works if we HAVE cheap produce. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-07-11 11:51 AM |
#144 |
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You have cause and effect confused. |
Bette Noir |
Nov-06-11 11:53 PM |
#75 |
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Oh bullshit. America has ALWAYS had immigrants, THEY BUILT THE ECONOMY! |
Lorien |
Nov-07-11 10:35 AM |
#126 |
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We have OSHA, FSLA, Child Labor laws in the country for a REASON. It's not "progressive" |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:48 AM |
#131 |
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I disagree. It is not immigrant labor that is the problem - it is NON-UNIONIZED |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-07-11 11:39 AM |
#140 |
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I went back to work in a Pharmacy after illness and part retirement.. |
nenagh |
Nov-06-11 04:25 PM |
#27 |
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years ago I worked as a lab supervisor |
Tumbulu |
Nov-06-11 10:47 PM |
#67 |
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Tumbulu, you and nenagh have restored my faith in humanity. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:54 AM |
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Unbelievable. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:50 AM |
#94 |
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Gas was $1.19 a gallon -- the cost of everything has doubled & tripled while wages decline |
K8-EEE |
Nov-06-11 04:31 PM |
#28 |
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Just an aside |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 04:36 PM |
#29 |
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Some of my translation clients (large agencies) tried to get me to work |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-06-11 04:49 PM |
#31 |
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I have a friend who lives in the Pittsburgh PA |
SheilaT |
Nov-06-11 05:07 PM |
#36 |
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$10 an hour is NOTHING |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-06-11 06:23 PM |
#38 |
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How much do you usually charge? |
Capitalocracy |
Nov-06-11 08:46 PM |
#46 |
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What if the ATA comes after me? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-06-11 09:34 PM |
#57 |
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Me & hubs make what we made n 1992. |
elehhhhna |
Nov-06-11 04:55 PM |
#33 |
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Kick, not just nursing, this has happened to many occupations. |
sarcasmo |
Nov-06-11 06:12 PM |
#37 |
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Taking care of |
femrap |
Nov-06-11 06:59 PM |
#39 |
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"I am so fucking angry." Me too! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 05:01 AM |
#96 |
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I might feel a bit better |
femrap |
Nov-07-11 11:52 AM |
#145 |
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That will help. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 02:55 PM |
#154 |
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I'm going to go |
femrap |
Nov-07-11 06:33 PM |
#163 |
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It was a nurse's aide who did CPR on Congress woman Giffords and |
truedelphi |
Nov-06-11 07:35 PM |
#40 |
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Happened in cooking/ restaurants too. |
bengalherder |
Nov-06-11 08:22 PM |
#41 |
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Yup. Sounds like me. |
progressoid |
Nov-06-11 08:24 PM |
#42 |
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Similar story here. |
Bonobo |
Nov-06-11 08:27 PM |
#43 |
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Instead of a $1Million statue to Reagan, I say pay the nurses! |
Fire Walk With Me |
Nov-06-11 09:00 PM |
#49 |
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The rich need all the little people in the middle class to sufer wage reductions. That way |
applegrove |
Nov-06-11 09:11 PM |
#52 |
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way back in the '70s.... |
unkachuck |
Nov-06-11 09:13 PM |
#53 |
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I made 7.50 flipping burgers at the college |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-11 09:15 PM |
#55 |
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In 1989, I made $18.25 an hour ... now that job now longer exists |
REP |
Nov-06-11 09:35 PM |
#58 |
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Simple supply and demand. Too many workers and too few jobs - |
lynne |
Nov-06-11 09:39 PM |
#60 |
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I don't mean this as an anti immigrant comment. But do immigrants who are willing to work for less |
totodeinhere |
Nov-06-11 09:41 PM |
#61 |
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"That is the line that we hear sometimes." |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 05:08 AM |
#97 |
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Did you read the link in the other reply to my question? |
totodeinhere |
Nov-07-11 09:57 AM |
#121 |
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Yes. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-07-11 09:50 AM |
#119 |
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No. Outsourcing and the increase in hiring "salaried" workers that work for |
Lorien |
Nov-07-11 11:00 AM |
#135 |
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Most immigrants do not work for 'less'. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-07-11 12:02 PM |
#148 |
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My peak income was 1989. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-06-11 09:55 PM |
#62 |
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I started at UPS |
xloadiex |
Nov-06-11 09:55 PM |
#63 |
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That's how it is with my former employer, too. |
GoCubsGo |
Nov-06-11 10:34 PM |
#65 |
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My brother was a union steward hen he worked for UPS |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 11:14 PM |
#71 |
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It isn't hyperbole |
Harmony Blue |
Nov-06-11 10:36 PM |
#66 |
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While unemployed, I interviewed for an entry-level position at a glassware plant near PIttsburgh |
Orrex |
Nov-06-11 11:02 PM |
#68 |
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The way health care reimbursement has affected me... |
MrMickeysMom |
Nov-06-11 11:04 PM |
#69 |
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when I got into my field... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Nov-06-11 11:32 PM |
#72 |
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K&R (n/t) |
a2liberal |
Nov-06-11 11:55 PM |
#76 |
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kick! Outstanding thread. NT |
aaaaaa5a |
Nov-07-11 12:52 AM |
#79 |
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Here are some numbers as to how bad things are |
aaaaaa5a |
Nov-07-11 01:17 AM |
#80 |
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Shocking. |
avaistheone1 |
Nov-07-11 01:23 AM |
#81 |
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I can remember VIVIDLY.... |
aaaaaa5a |
Nov-07-11 01:28 AM |
#82 |
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Good. God. |
AzDar |
Nov-07-11 06:23 PM |
#160 |
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Do I EVER appreciate nurses and their aides!! |
DFW |
Nov-07-11 04:15 AM |
#86 |
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K&R! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:19 AM |
#87 |
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US Postal Service: "temporary" - $11 hour, 12 hour shifts, no bennies. |
Divernan |
Nov-07-11 04:21 AM |
#88 |
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I have done that exact job for almost 15 years. |
Occulus |
Nov-07-11 09:53 AM |
#120 |
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New law grads: $15/hr-no benefits; or working for FREE to get experience |
Divernan |
Nov-07-11 04:37 AM |
#92 |
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In 1989 had not Reagan been president for awhile, and then came Bush as his |
Obamanaut |
Nov-07-11 05:32 AM |
#98 |
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This is amazing to me. |
cyrakitty |
Nov-07-11 05:50 AM |
#100 |
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And who took the other half of the nurses aide's pay? |
fasttense |
Nov-07-11 05:52 AM |
#101 |
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Fed Chairman Paul Volcker said it many years ago. |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-07-11 07:02 AM |
#104 |
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I'd make one change to what he said... |
raccoon |
Nov-07-11 08:34 AM |
#111 |
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+1000. |
HughBeaumont |
Nov-07-11 10:51 AM |
#134 |
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Unless they decide to demand what they are worth. That's the flip side |
closeupready |
Nov-07-11 11:56 AM |
#146 |
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in '88 i was making $18 an hour as a legal |
DesertFlower |
Nov-07-11 07:45 AM |
#107 |
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Good post. Here is what that wage looks like today |
aaaaaa5a |
Nov-07-11 09:32 AM |
#115 |
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I'm another former legal secretary. |
Blue_In_AK |
Nov-07-11 07:02 PM |
#165 |
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Musician club Wages |
mpgalloway |
Nov-07-11 09:19 AM |
#114 |
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Hah, same story here... |
Flatulo |
Nov-07-11 10:18 AM |
#122 |
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"...tiny, shitty house that is paid for ..." |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 07:25 PM |
#166 |
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Oh yeah, most of my peers bought $350K+ McMansions. I just could |
Flatulo |
Nov-07-11 08:19 PM |
#169 |
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Already came to mine. In 1990 I worked as a "clean up artist" (assistant animator) |
Lorien |
Nov-07-11 10:24 AM |
#123 |
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I'm not sure... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-07-11 10:40 AM |
#129 |
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K&R best OP and conversation in months |
Mimosa |
Nov-07-11 10:47 AM |
#130 |
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"Should I buy a Prius?" nt |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:49 AM |
#133 |
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I make, after 10 years of working and adjusted for inflation . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Nov-07-11 11:01 AM |
#136 |
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Sad |
Johnny2X2X |
Nov-07-11 11:03 AM |
#137 |
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One word: Jobs |
L. Coyote |
Nov-07-11 11:24 AM |
#138 |
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Oh, yeah. I see this, too. Temp jobs that paid $25/hr in 1999 in New York now pay $19/hr. |
closeupready |
Nov-07-11 11:42 AM |
#141 |
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Been screaming it for quite some time. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-07-11 12:04 PM |
#149 |
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What state? |
IADEMO2004 |
Nov-07-11 12:42 PM |
#150 |
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that's what they want to do to teachers |
Enrique |
Nov-07-11 05:51 PM |
#159 |
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Kickty |
StarsInHerHair |
Nov-07-11 06:51 PM |
#164 |
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Instead of raising wages, they gave out easy, accessible credit. |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 07:31 PM |
#168 |
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Perfect point. |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-08-11 01:58 PM |
#170 |
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The movie is fantastic. |
CrispyQ |
Nov-08-11 03:55 PM |
#173 |
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Or Capitalism Hits the Fan, which makes this point exactly |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-11 02:02 PM |
#171 |
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