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| 15. i was making anywhere from 10-12 (without over time) in the early 70`s with... |
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cost of living every three months,paid dental and health care, could miss 10% of hours worked every three months and two weeks vacation.
i worked at a UNION steel drop forge shop that was hotter than hell in the summer and cold as the north pole in the winter.
i worked for a UNION STEEL mill that paid 8.50 to start then went up to 12-13 depending where i worked. good benefits and vacation plan.
the next forge shop i worked for in the mid 90`s was NON UNION and paid 10-12. had to pay for insurance,two weeks vacation,and that`s it. that place was even hotter and colder.
the first two employers are out of business because of south east asian labor costs. the third one has cut production in half.
UNIONS raised everyone's wages and trade agreements were friendly to AMERICANS
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| -In 1989, I made $15.00/hour |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 02:52 PM |
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It was a lot better when everyone's wages were patterned after union workers |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-06-11 03:00 PM |
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I was raising two kids and going to school |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:06 PM |
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IT IS THE DAMN TEMPORARY HELP SERVICES |
HowHasItComeToThis |
Nov-06-11 11:11 PM |
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So very true |
Johnny Noshoes |
Nov-07-11 09:00 AM |
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In one interview I had |
EC |
Nov-07-11 10:36 AM |
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Exactly!!! I was never in a union, but I was ALWAYS grateful for what |
RKP5637 |
Nov-06-11 03:07 PM |
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My late father never got out of grade school and understood this |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-06-11 04:07 PM |
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There are plenty of people in my red-as-a-baboon's-arse state who would benefit from unions |
raccoon |
Nov-07-11 08:24 AM |
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You know, it's the weirdest psychological twist ever, people convinced that |
RKP5637 |
Nov-07-11 10:34 AM |
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Yes, now people seem proud that we are aiming for the least comon denominator |
Cal Carpenter |
Nov-06-11 03:59 PM |
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Agreed & Well Said |
Sherman A1 |
Nov-07-11 02:34 AM |
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Which is precisely why they targeted unions... |
trotsky |
Nov-07-11 06:35 AM |
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Any time I see Koch BS about how certain professions are overpaid, it makes my blood boil. |
Initech |
Nov-06-11 03:00 PM |
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k&r. that's backbreaking work, literally. |
Laluchacontinua |
Nov-06-11 03:04 PM |
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Being a nurses aide sucks. The only way I'd do it would be if |
MineralMan |
Nov-06-11 03:04 PM |
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I kind of did it that way in the Army. |
Rozlee |
Nov-06-11 08:45 PM |
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do I have to deal with body fluids ? |
Skittles |
Nov-06-11 09:02 PM |
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Yes. At least nowadays, you get to wear gloves. |
Bette Noir |
Nov-06-11 11:45 PM |
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y'all are angels |
Skittles |
Nov-07-11 12:05 AM |
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I have friends that used to make over $100k/yr. Their job now goes for about $40k/yr to |
RKP5637 |
Nov-06-11 03:05 PM |
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Yep. As far as I can tell |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:12 PM |
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THis bears repeating, |
raccoon |
Nov-07-11 08:25 AM |
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Yep, it's the domino theory all over the place. It's hard to keep standing when |
RKP5637 |
Nov-07-11 10:38 AM |
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It's the result of a culture that has championed the individual over community at all cost. |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 05:00 PM |
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The last statement is beautiful! And the one about the 30 past years is sooo true! We have |
RKP5637 |
Nov-07-11 05:28 PM |
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They started the class warfare a long long time ago. |
RegieRocker |
Nov-06-11 03:07 PM |
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+100 |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 03:21 PM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Nov-06-11 03:16 PM |
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union grocery cashier pay in the 70's in calif. 14-18$ and hour. nt |
seabeyond |
Nov-06-11 03:20 PM |
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I put myself through college with a part-time union cashier job. |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 05:48 PM |
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i ahd forgotten about this. but it really says something looking how wage has DECREASED. |
seabeyond |
Nov-08-11 02:12 PM |
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I guess this proves Milton Freedman's theory WRONG |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 03:24 PM |
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Isn't the point of capitalism to make money? |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:30 PM |
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Several forms of Capitalism |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 03:43 PM |
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I wasn't tagging anyone Socialist? And I didn't mention OWS? |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:47 PM |
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After the Manufacturing Capitalistic Society in the 1950s |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 04:49 PM |
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Ah, it was the manufacturing capitalistic society that did it? |
JoeyT |
Nov-06-11 05:01 PM |
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The 1950s economic boom wouldn't have been possible except for 1) the New Deal and 2) labor unions. |
Selatius |
Nov-07-11 01:32 AM |
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Excellent post, Selatius! PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:34 AM |
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Yeah. This post...+10000. n/t |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-07-11 07:21 AM |
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It goes in cycles. |
JoeyT |
Nov-07-11 09:43 AM |
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PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:27 AM |
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Most of us would like to see |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:31 AM |
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yeah, capitalism has been so great in China - poisoned food, water, air.... |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-07-11 06:31 AM |
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I will proudly say that I am a socialist. |
blackspade |
Nov-06-11 11:46 PM |
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Only short-sighted capitalists work the way you describe |
jeff47 |
Nov-06-11 08:42 PM |
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Capitalism means |
aggiesal |
Nov-06-11 09:14 PM |
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Amen to that |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 09:36 PM |
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Amen. That's how it works. nt |
raccoon |
Nov-07-11 08:27 AM |
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He had a whole series on PBS in the 1980s (Reagan era, of course!) called |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-06-11 04:52 PM |
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Change that to "Free to Collapse" |
FreakinDJ |
Nov-06-11 05:01 PM |
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Laissez-faire only applies to things that hinder them from making money |
Thav |
Nov-07-11 08:50 AM |
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We had to watch that slop in high school econ. Our teacher thought he was a genius |
AllyCat |
Nov-06-11 09:29 PM |
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Friedman was not wrong. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-07-11 12:21 AM |
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PLUS ONE! Very good post! N/T |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:39 AM |
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I think uncle Milt was the most dangerous man of the last century. |
MedicalAdmin |
Nov-07-11 07:29 AM |
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Scratch Obama and you find uncle Milton |
pscot |
Nov-07-11 11:37 AM |
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You know what you called insisting on failed free market systems? |
alp227 |
Nov-07-11 11:57 AM |
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i was making anywhere from 10-12 (without over time) in the early 70`s with... |
madrchsod |
Nov-06-11 03:33 PM |
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I had a friend that worked for Bethlehem Pennsylvania Shipyard in the early 80's |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:41 PM |
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If they would actually pass balanced trade deals instead of this bullshit free trade crap ... |
Selatius |
Nov-07-11 01:38 AM |
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After 3 years and 3 layoffs later I make 37% less now. For the same job. |
Lochloosa |
Nov-06-11 03:47 PM |
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I was talking to someone about this the other day. |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-06-11 03:50 PM |
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The REAL disparity isn't just the wages |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 03:54 PM |
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I remember when kids could work a summer job and save enough |
Sal Minella |
Nov-06-11 04:49 PM |
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yep |
oldhippydude |
Nov-07-11 05:44 AM |
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And meanwhile, the Right Wing Financial Gurus are still telling kids |
Sal Minella |
Nov-07-11 01:01 PM |
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The REAL benefit of sending kids to college for 4 years |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-07-11 02:28 PM |
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I know of more than a few... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-07-11 07:27 PM |
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"We have so many people with top-notch educations unable to find halfway decent jobs now." |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 06:27 PM |
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This is THE issue--not that wages are stagnant...wages have declined |
live love laugh |
Nov-06-11 03:50 PM |
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In his book, "Take this Job & Ship It", former senator Byron Dorgan (ND-D) stated that, |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 06:30 PM |
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It's what immigration is doing to your wages. |
Yo_Mama |
Nov-06-11 03:55 PM |
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I 100% disagree. n/t |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 04:01 PM |
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Not true--the wage declines are across the board & not just in immigrant related occupations, nt |
live love laugh |
Nov-06-11 04:22 PM |
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'fraid not. |
jeff47 |
Nov-06-11 08:47 PM |
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No. Canada has 4 times higher rate of immigration. It is good for their economy. n/t |
pampango |
Nov-06-11 08:53 PM |
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Canada allows virtually ZERO unskilled immigrants each year. We allow a million or more. nt |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:48 AM |
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Partly true. Canada's immigration is about 70/30 skilled/unskilled. |
pampango |
Nov-07-11 11:45 AM |
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OK. So the percentage of unskilled immigrants in Canandian society is tiny compared to the US. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 11:48 AM |
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No. Unskilled immigrants are a higher percentage of Canadian society than in the US. |
pampango |
Nov-07-11 12:51 PM |
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Absolute nonsense, and you've provided no numbers to substantiate any of this. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 04:05 PM |
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I disagree. |
Rozlee |
Nov-06-11 09:03 PM |
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Agreed. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-06-11 09:56 PM |
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Yet still untrue. |
Occulus |
Nov-07-11 09:40 AM |
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In 2006, Illegal immigration depressed wages $1.4 billion in Arizona alone. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-07-11 09:50 AM |
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Third choice: Illegal immigration isn't SOLELY responsible for decades of depressed wages. |
Occulus |
Nov-07-11 10:35 AM |
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That claim only works if we HAVE cheap produce. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-07-11 11:51 AM |
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You have cause and effect confused. |
Bette Noir |
Nov-06-11 11:53 PM |
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Oh bullshit. America has ALWAYS had immigrants, THEY BUILT THE ECONOMY! |
Lorien |
Nov-07-11 10:35 AM |
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We have OSHA, FSLA, Child Labor laws in the country for a REASON. It's not "progressive" |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:48 AM |
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I disagree. It is not immigrant labor that is the problem - it is NON-UNIONIZED |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-07-11 11:39 AM |
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I went back to work in a Pharmacy after illness and part retirement.. |
nenagh |
Nov-06-11 04:25 PM |
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years ago I worked as a lab supervisor |
Tumbulu |
Nov-06-11 10:47 PM |
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Tumbulu, you and nenagh have restored my faith in humanity. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:54 AM |
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Unbelievable. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:50 AM |
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Gas was $1.19 a gallon -- the cost of everything has doubled & tripled while wages decline |
K8-EEE |
Nov-06-11 04:31 PM |
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Just an aside |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 04:36 PM |
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Some of my translation clients (large agencies) tried to get me to work |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-06-11 04:49 PM |
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I have a friend who lives in the Pittsburgh PA |
SheilaT |
Nov-06-11 05:07 PM |
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$10 an hour is NOTHING |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-06-11 06:23 PM |
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How much do you usually charge? |
Capitalocracy |
Nov-06-11 08:46 PM |
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What if the ATA comes after me? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-06-11 09:34 PM |
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Me & hubs make what we made n 1992. |
elehhhhna |
Nov-06-11 04:55 PM |
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Kick, not just nursing, this has happened to many occupations. |
sarcasmo |
Nov-06-11 06:12 PM |
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Taking care of |
femrap |
Nov-06-11 06:59 PM |
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"I am so fucking angry." Me too! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 05:01 AM |
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I might feel a bit better |
femrap |
Nov-07-11 11:52 AM |
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That will help. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 02:55 PM |
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I'm going to go |
femrap |
Nov-07-11 06:33 PM |
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It was a nurse's aide who did CPR on Congress woman Giffords and |
truedelphi |
Nov-06-11 07:35 PM |
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Happened in cooking/ restaurants too. |
bengalherder |
Nov-06-11 08:22 PM |
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Yup. Sounds like me. |
progressoid |
Nov-06-11 08:24 PM |
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Similar story here. |
Bonobo |
Nov-06-11 08:27 PM |
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Instead of a $1Million statue to Reagan, I say pay the nurses! |
Fire Walk With Me |
Nov-06-11 09:00 PM |
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The rich need all the little people in the middle class to sufer wage reductions. That way |
applegrove |
Nov-06-11 09:11 PM |
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way back in the '70s.... |
unkachuck |
Nov-06-11 09:13 PM |
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I made 7.50 flipping burgers at the college |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-11 09:15 PM |
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In 1989, I made $18.25 an hour ... now that job now longer exists |
REP |
Nov-06-11 09:35 PM |
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Simple supply and demand. Too many workers and too few jobs - |
lynne |
Nov-06-11 09:39 PM |
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I don't mean this as an anti immigrant comment. But do immigrants who are willing to work for less |
totodeinhere |
Nov-06-11 09:41 PM |
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"That is the line that we hear sometimes." |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 05:08 AM |
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Did you read the link in the other reply to my question? |
totodeinhere |
Nov-07-11 09:57 AM |
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Yes. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-07-11 09:50 AM |
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No. Outsourcing and the increase in hiring "salaried" workers that work for |
Lorien |
Nov-07-11 11:00 AM |
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Most immigrants do not work for 'less'. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-07-11 12:02 PM |
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My peak income was 1989. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-06-11 09:55 PM |
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I started at UPS |
xloadiex |
Nov-06-11 09:55 PM |
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That's how it is with my former employer, too. |
GoCubsGo |
Nov-06-11 10:34 PM |
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My brother was a union steward hen he worked for UPS |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 11:14 PM |
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It isn't hyperbole |
Harmony Blue |
Nov-06-11 10:36 PM |
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While unemployed, I interviewed for an entry-level position at a glassware plant near PIttsburgh |
Orrex |
Nov-06-11 11:02 PM |
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The way health care reimbursement has affected me... |
MrMickeysMom |
Nov-06-11 11:04 PM |
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when I got into my field... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Nov-06-11 11:32 PM |
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K&R (n/t) |
a2liberal |
Nov-06-11 11:55 PM |
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kick! Outstanding thread. NT |
aaaaaa5a |
Nov-07-11 12:52 AM |
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Here are some numbers as to how bad things are |
aaaaaa5a |
Nov-07-11 01:17 AM |
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Shocking. |
avaistheone1 |
Nov-07-11 01:23 AM |
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I can remember VIVIDLY.... |
aaaaaa5a |
Nov-07-11 01:28 AM |
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Good. God. |
AzDar |
Nov-07-11 06:23 PM |
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Do I EVER appreciate nurses and their aides!! |
DFW |
Nov-07-11 04:15 AM |
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K&R! |
Enthusiast |
Nov-07-11 04:19 AM |
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US Postal Service: "temporary" - $11 hour, 12 hour shifts, no bennies. |
Divernan |
Nov-07-11 04:21 AM |
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I have done that exact job for almost 15 years. |
Occulus |
Nov-07-11 09:53 AM |
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New law grads: $15/hr-no benefits; or working for FREE to get experience |
Divernan |
Nov-07-11 04:37 AM |
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In 1989 had not Reagan been president for awhile, and then came Bush as his |
Obamanaut |
Nov-07-11 05:32 AM |
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This is amazing to me. |
cyrakitty |
Nov-07-11 05:50 AM |
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And who took the other half of the nurses aide's pay? |
fasttense |
Nov-07-11 05:52 AM |
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Fed Chairman Paul Volcker said it many years ago. |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-07-11 07:02 AM |
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I'd make one change to what he said... |
raccoon |
Nov-07-11 08:34 AM |
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+1000. |
HughBeaumont |
Nov-07-11 10:51 AM |
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Unless they decide to demand what they are worth. That's the flip side |
closeupready |
Nov-07-11 11:56 AM |
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in '88 i was making $18 an hour as a legal |
DesertFlower |
Nov-07-11 07:45 AM |
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Good post. Here is what that wage looks like today |
aaaaaa5a |
Nov-07-11 09:32 AM |
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I'm another former legal secretary. |
Blue_In_AK |
Nov-07-11 07:02 PM |
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Musician club Wages |
mpgalloway |
Nov-07-11 09:19 AM |
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Hah, same story here... |
Flatulo |
Nov-07-11 10:18 AM |
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"...tiny, shitty house that is paid for ..." |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 07:25 PM |
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Oh yeah, most of my peers bought $350K+ McMansions. I just could |
Flatulo |
Nov-07-11 08:19 PM |
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Already came to mine. In 1990 I worked as a "clean up artist" (assistant animator) |
Lorien |
Nov-07-11 10:24 AM |
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I'm not sure... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-07-11 10:40 AM |
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K&R best OP and conversation in months |
Mimosa |
Nov-07-11 10:47 AM |
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"Should I buy a Prius?" nt |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:49 AM |
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I make, after 10 years of working and adjusted for inflation . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Nov-07-11 11:01 AM |
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Sad |
Johnny2X2X |
Nov-07-11 11:03 AM |
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One word: Jobs |
L. Coyote |
Nov-07-11 11:24 AM |
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Oh, yeah. I see this, too. Temp jobs that paid $25/hr in 1999 in New York now pay $19/hr. |
closeupready |
Nov-07-11 11:42 AM |
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Been screaming it for quite some time. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-07-11 12:04 PM |
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What state? |
IADEMO2004 |
Nov-07-11 12:42 PM |
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that's what they want to do to teachers |
Enrique |
Nov-07-11 05:51 PM |
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Kickty |
StarsInHerHair |
Nov-07-11 06:51 PM |
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Instead of raising wages, they gave out easy, accessible credit. |
CrispyQ |
Nov-07-11 07:31 PM |
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Perfect point. |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-08-11 01:58 PM |
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The movie is fantastic. |
CrispyQ |
Nov-08-11 03:55 PM |
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Or Capitalism Hits the Fan, which makes this point exactly |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-11 02:02 PM |
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