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Mon Nov-07-11 11:15 AM
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Because NBA players making $14M a year have so much in common with teachers, police, plumbers and electricians...and their union is fighting on the picket lines with other unions currently on strike? and all those NBA players were in Wisconsin this past winter to protest Scott Walker's attempts to end collective bargaining? Ever seen an NBA superstar walk the picket line with the food service union? the local construction workers union in cities where the arenas are built with non-union labor? The NBA Players "union" is no friend of the overall labor movement and to falsely equate them as such marks YOU as the corporate lackey.
Please...introducing false equivalency in the argument does not help the overall union cause one bit. These players are making more money now by a factor of 1000 compared to 20 years ago...how many other union employees work in industries where THAT is the case?
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| -Michael Jordan "is the owner most determined to bury the basketball players union financially" |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 01:38 PM |
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Too bad he isn't as great a thinker as he was a basketball player |
Bozita |
Nov-06-11 01:44 PM |
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Snort. |
lonestarnot |
Nov-09-11 08:47 AM |
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So the average NBA salary would fall from $5 million per year to $4-4.5 million per year? |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 01:45 PM |
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Does your heart also bleed for the billionaire owners? |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-06-11 01:59 PM |
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I'm not going to waste any sympathy on the players *or* the owners. |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:08 PM |
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But you chose to express your disgust only at the players. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-06-11 02:09 PM |
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OK. I'm disgusted at the owners, too. (nt) |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:12 PM |
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You had to be pushed to say it, though. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-06-11 10:58 PM |
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They can all go to hell. Our society can not afford to pay the high prices of pro basketball. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-06-11 03:52 PM |
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I just don't care |
Pigheaded |
Nov-07-11 11:20 AM |
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They most certainly are relevant when tax payers are financing their stadiums. |
cui bono |
Nov-07-11 01:41 PM |
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Is that an attempt to justify the owners demands for over a billion dollars out of the players pay? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:06 PM |
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I'll worry about basketball players salaries being reduced from $5 million to $4 million |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:11 PM |
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That's not the bottom line issue. It's another case of employer union busting. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:17 PM |
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I would like to see NBA players and other sports Union |
dotymed |
Nov-07-11 12:22 PM |
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Screw that - A union brother is a union brother. |
Drahthaardogs |
Nov-06-11 03:01 PM |
#34 |
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I believe that too |
SnakeEyes |
Nov-06-11 07:38 PM |
#61 |
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That's probably because cops are trained and used to break strikes/unions/ and ball players aren't |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 09:09 PM |
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NFL PLAYERS HAVE CROSSED PICKET LINES BEFORE! |
Logical |
Nov-08-11 10:36 PM |
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How many AFL-CIO unions crossed strike picket lines during the PATCO Air Traffic Controllers Strike? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-08-11 10:48 PM |
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My point is the nfl/nba unions are not real labor unions! They do not give a shit... |
Logical |
Nov-08-11 10:59 PM |
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And who are you to decide what workers are organized into "real" labor unions? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-09-11 08:45 AM |
#146 |
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It's always wrong to take the side of the owners against the players |
Ken Burch |
Nov-06-11 10:58 PM |
#83 |
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And the owner's salary would increase by many more millions . |
Bandit |
Nov-07-11 10:06 AM |
#102 |
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I imagine many people have a cut-off point |
LanternWaste |
Nov-07-11 12:29 PM |
#114 |
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Rich players vs even richer owners all wanting even more money. |
Peter1x9 |
Nov-06-11 01:49 PM |
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Yep. What about the people serving the beer and cleaning the toilets at the stadium |
progressoid |
Nov-06-11 01:58 PM |
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The owners sure as hell don't and if they take a billion dollars out of the players income they .... |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:08 PM |
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Nope and that is a shame. Once more it is the little guy |
ChazII |
Nov-06-11 10:44 PM |
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fair enough but the players started out conceding accepting lower salaries and caps. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-06-11 02:00 PM |
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At least the players DO something for the money. The owners do nothing. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-06-11 11:00 PM |
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Excessive. No doubt. |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 02:05 PM |
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He Was Being Paid Thirty Million A Year |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:15 PM |
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He is selfish and greedy. He made his so screw everyone else coming up! A typical owner. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:18 PM |
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He Also Refused To Campaign For Harvey Gant In His Race Against Jesse Helms |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:24 PM |
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MJ is an asshole. nt |
femrap |
Nov-06-11 09:35 PM |
#78 |
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Harvey Gantt paved the way |
Carolina |
Nov-07-11 01:49 PM |
#124 |
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He as paid that in his latter years. He played for peanuts most of his career. He was not paid some |
Pisces |
Nov-06-11 02:28 PM |
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You Act Like 23 Was The Only Basketball Player In The World Worth Thity Million Dollars |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:35 PM |
#22 |
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Here ya go |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-08-11 10:57 PM |
#144 |
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They can keep their ball and go home forever for all I care... |
Moostache |
Nov-06-11 02:19 PM |
#17 |
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There Is A Lockout In The NBA As There Was In The NFL |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:37 PM |
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What you propose would happen in a utopian socialist society. But meanwhile, who do you support? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:38 PM |
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I see.... |
Moostache |
Nov-07-11 11:15 AM |
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Good points .... the corporate owners could use them in their drive to destroy the players union. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 12:16 PM |
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The players are the product and the labor in this case |
rurallib |
Nov-06-11 02:27 PM |
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The size of the players paychecks isn't the point. |
xchrom |
Nov-06-11 02:31 PM |
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PLUS ONE |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:38 PM |
#24 |
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Quick question.... |
WCGreen |
Nov-06-11 02:39 PM |
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How many millionaire players from the New York Knicks have stopped by at Zuccotti Park |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:49 PM |
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You don't know. How many of Obama's Wall Street campaign donors have stopped by Zuccotti Park |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 03:01 PM |
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There it is! |
Bobbie Jo |
Nov-07-11 10:34 AM |
#103 |
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I Saw Grant Hill Campaign For John Kerry |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:55 PM |
#30 |
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And I remember Sandy Alomar refusing to shake hands with |
WCGreen |
Nov-06-11 10:40 PM |
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Most Of The Players Are Democrats. Most Of The Owners Are GOP |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 08:54 AM |
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So if there was a National Union of Goldman Sachs Traders |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:52 PM |
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Get Back To Me When The Goldman Sachs Traders Form A Union |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:59 PM |
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why are we surprised about a 1 percenter acting like a 1 percenter? |
dembotoz |
Nov-06-11 02:38 PM |
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Billionaires squabbling with millionaires. |
Lizzie Poppet |
Nov-06-11 02:57 PM |
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What side do you think Wall Street and corporate American supports in this union busting operation? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 03:03 PM |
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The Players Are Still Labor, Albeit Rich Labor |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 03:04 PM |
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I've been following this dispute a bit. |
Lizzie Poppet |
Nov-06-11 03:09 PM |
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And how much of the working class majority supports the owners according to your research? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 03:34 PM |
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Wouldn't call it "research." |
Lizzie Poppet |
Nov-06-11 04:04 PM |
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I understand your point. And it's true that pro-capitalist propaganda did well in the past. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 04:38 PM |
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Well, you know in this case, |
GreenArrow |
Nov-06-11 04:45 PM |
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Yes...and I think the majority of working class folks see no heroes in that dispute. |
Lizzie Poppet |
Nov-06-11 05:02 PM |
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One of the few actual teams in the NBA is the Dallas Mavericks. |
KamaAina |
Nov-07-11 12:47 PM |
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I think one might also consider that |
GreenArrow |
Nov-06-11 04:44 PM |
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But throwing a ball through a hoop is so much more important than educating our kids (nt) |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 04:50 PM |
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The owners are not interested in educating your kids, just theirs who they send to private schools. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 05:32 PM |
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They always try to pit lower paid workers against higher paid ones. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 05:31 PM |
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I don't see either outcome benefitting working class people, |
GreenArrow |
Nov-06-11 06:37 PM |
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I see the corporate owners winning this battle as a win for big business and Wall Street |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 06:56 PM |
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Well, that's probably true if you work |
GreenArrow |
Nov-06-11 07:54 PM |
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In a conflict between Wall Street/Big Business against employees I'll always stand with labor. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 09:17 PM |
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"It's greed versus greedier" |
Lordquinton |
Nov-07-11 01:44 AM |
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Right. And on the other hand, ballers are CONSTANTLY joining picket lines for their union brothers. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:52 AM |
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one percenters quarreling with .50 percenters. |
spanone |
Nov-06-11 03:04 PM |
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To be fair, the ability to throw a ball through a metal hoop is of enormous value to society. |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 03:11 PM |
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Do You Think If There Was No NBA , Salaries For Brain Surgeons Would Go Up? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 03:13 PM |
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If we banned professional entertainment the pay for rocket scientists would go up 20%! |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 03:31 PM |
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wrong question |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-09-11 02:23 PM |
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I support Unions. I do not support Union-Busters. Doesn't matter if the pay is 5.00 or 5 million.. |
AzDar |
Nov-06-11 03:17 PM |
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I Have Been Following The Dispute |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 03:20 PM |
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". . . Michael Jordan is ... a cheap, stingy, mean-spirited, |
99 Percent Sure |
Nov-06-11 03:46 PM |
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This basketball-loving, Jordan-hater agrees with you completely |
catzies |
Nov-06-11 06:33 PM |
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Sorry Jordan ended the Lakers dynasty era |
SnakeEyes |
Nov-06-11 07:49 PM |
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Actually, the Detroit Pistons ended the Lakers' |
99 Percent Sure |
Nov-06-11 10:38 PM |
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He got away with a lot of fouls yet, if any player |
99 Percent Sure |
Nov-06-11 09:06 PM |
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Say what you want about him as a person.. |
JackDragna |
Nov-07-11 09:02 AM |
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Jordan Was A Great Basketball Player But A Lousy Human Being |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 08:52 AM |
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Don't forget "Dr. J"! |
onpatrol98 |
Nov-08-11 10:33 PM |
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Ditto |
Carolina |
Nov-07-11 01:56 PM |
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Couldn't we just abandon these douchebag owners and start our own companies? |
Initech |
Nov-06-11 04:20 PM |
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Nope. It's not allowed by the professional sports owner trusts. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 04:36 PM |
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Me no likey Mikey. |
City Lights |
Nov-06-11 04:21 PM |
#49 |
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You don't have to like him to admit he's a great basketball player. |
Pisces |
Nov-06-11 08:06 PM |
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He was a great player. As was the baseball player Ty Cobb. He was also a hard core racist asshole. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 09:19 PM |
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And Floyd Mayweather Is A Great Boxer |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 08:56 AM |
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He pushed off on Byron Russell |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-09-11 02:26 PM |
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The truth is, he's always been kind of a douche. |
Lex |
Nov-06-11 07:40 PM |
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Word. He didn't really let his dickish flag fly until he retired, |
bullwinkle428 |
Nov-06-11 08:56 PM |
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Wah wah |
cwydro |
Nov-06-11 07:42 PM |
#63 |
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+1 |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 08:12 PM |
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Since the 1990s. |
SnakeEyes |
Nov-06-11 07:46 PM |
#64 |
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Or he could be just a douche bag |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-06-11 09:20 PM |
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I'm from Chicago, was a big fan of MJ and the Bulls in the 90s hey day. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Nov-07-11 01:22 AM |
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If He Comes Out Of Retirement And Wins Four More Championships |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 02:30 PM |
#127 |
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knr |
frylock |
Nov-06-11 08:36 PM |
#69 |
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Jordan is a scumbag degenerate gambler with a God complex |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-06-11 09:17 PM |
#74 |
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MJ is the |
femrap |
Nov-06-11 09:33 PM |
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He Was In A Car With Barkley. |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 09:01 AM |
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I don't think |
femrap |
Nov-07-11 11:55 AM |
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We should have known this was coming when MJ REFUSED to endorse Harvey Gantt |
Ken Burch |
Nov-06-11 10:56 PM |
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All of the players aren't rich. All of the owners are wealthy. |
SharksBreath |
Nov-07-11 01:05 AM |
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Let's not forget |
rpannier |
Nov-07-11 01:18 AM |
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It's different on the other side of the business. |
MrSlayer |
Nov-07-11 01:30 AM |
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The major league sports business needs to be reinvented. |
tcaudilllg |
Nov-07-11 05:20 AM |
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That won't happen until their anti-trust exemptions are ended by Congress. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 08:22 AM |
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The owners only need 16 votes to approve |
n2doc |
Nov-07-11 08:47 AM |
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He's Mad Becausec His Little Franchise Is Irrelevant |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 08:57 AM |
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why do you think they call them Air Jordans? |
TheeHazelnut |
Nov-07-11 09:10 AM |
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Never could stand the guy. |
Faygo Kid |
Nov-07-11 09:45 AM |
#101 |
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Now his Hitler moustache finally makes sense |
Blue Owl |
Nov-07-11 10:50 AM |
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Poor, poor NBA players. This is a *LABOR* issue! |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:51 AM |
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Strike breaking and union busting is always a labor issue even in the entertainment industry |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 12:19 PM |
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Right. Just like the NBA ballers walk the picket line with the SEIU. It's all "labor". |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 12:40 PM |
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There is no NBA players union picketline so what's your point? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 01:09 PM |
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There's also no Solidarity between the NBA Players' Union and any other union. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 01:31 PM |
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Why such hostility toward the labor movement and support for corporate owners by you? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 01:12 PM |
#118 |
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It's not a "labor movement", and to dub it such trivializes the very concept. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 01:33 PM |
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Most Of The NBA Is Comprised |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 02:33 PM |
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Do you also hate baseball and football players and support these entertainment industry owners? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 04:02 PM |
#130 |
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For real? You're using the internet, and you're complaining you don't know the meaning of a word? |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 05:26 PM |
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I had to look it up. Sorry that I and most other workers aren't as smart and educated as you are. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 05:35 PM |
#136 |
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You also don't know much about history (cultural revolution reference: over your head.) |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 06:42 PM |
#138 |
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The claim made that the basketball players and their union never supported public workers is a lie |
Better Believe It |
Nov-08-11 07:48 PM |
#140 |
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Hard to get too worked up about the 1% bickering among themselves |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-07-11 01:18 PM |
#119 |
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Don't you understand how the outcome can impact the wages and benefits of stadium workers? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 01:30 PM |
#120 |
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The two things aren't related (even a little.) Stadium workers made min. wage under the previous |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 05:29 PM |
#135 |
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If the corporate owners cut the players pay they'll increase the stadium workers pay. Bull shit! |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 12:22 PM |
#113 |
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"Republicans buy sneakers, too." |
Orsino |
Nov-07-11 01:55 PM |
#125 |
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As a Pistons fan, I've always hated him. Now I have a GOOD reason! |
catbyte |
Nov-07-11 03:41 PM |
#129 |
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Oh Man - he can be the next anti-Romney |
mdmc |
Nov-07-11 04:04 PM |
#131 |
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So Charlotte is responsible for the downfall of the NBA in addition to the financial meltdown? |
taterguy |
Nov-07-11 05:07 PM |
#132 |
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Give it up; nobody is crying for Bron Bron |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 05:28 PM |
#134 |
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holy crap I'm out of it |
Enrique |
Nov-07-11 05:35 PM |
#137 |
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NBA strike |
adam in oregon |
Nov-07-11 08:40 PM |
#139 |
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" just another money-losing owner " Kind of says it all, doesn't it? (I support Jordan) |
nomb |
Nov-09-11 08:51 AM |
#148 |
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Amazing what money can do to one - if they allow themselves to only care about money. |
GreenTea |
Nov-09-11 02:46 PM |
#151 |
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That seems to be his only concern in life. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-09-11 05:53 PM |
#152 |
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