Nye Bevan
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Sun Nov-06-11 02:12 PM
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| 13. OK. I'm disgusted at the owners, too. (nt) |
| -Michael Jordan "is the owner most determined to bury the basketball players union financially" |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 01:38 PM |
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Too bad he isn't as great a thinker as he was a basketball player |
Bozita |
Nov-06-11 01:44 PM |
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Snort. |
lonestarnot |
Nov-09-11 08:47 AM |
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So the average NBA salary would fall from $5 million per year to $4-4.5 million per year? |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 01:45 PM |
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Does your heart also bleed for the billionaire owners? |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-06-11 01:59 PM |
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I'm not going to waste any sympathy on the players *or* the owners. |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:08 PM |
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But you chose to express your disgust only at the players. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-06-11 02:09 PM |
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OK. I'm disgusted at the owners, too. (nt) |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:12 PM |
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You had to be pushed to say it, though. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-06-11 10:58 PM |
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They can all go to hell. Our society can not afford to pay the high prices of pro basketball. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-06-11 03:52 PM |
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I just don't care |
Pigheaded |
Nov-07-11 11:20 AM |
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They most certainly are relevant when tax payers are financing their stadiums. |
cui bono |
Nov-07-11 01:41 PM |
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Is that an attempt to justify the owners demands for over a billion dollars out of the players pay? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:06 PM |
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I'll worry about basketball players salaries being reduced from $5 million to $4 million |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:11 PM |
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That's not the bottom line issue. It's another case of employer union busting. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:17 PM |
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I would like to see NBA players and other sports Union |
dotymed |
Nov-07-11 12:22 PM |
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Screw that - A union brother is a union brother. |
Drahthaardogs |
Nov-06-11 03:01 PM |
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I believe that too |
SnakeEyes |
Nov-06-11 07:38 PM |
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That's probably because cops are trained and used to break strikes/unions/ and ball players aren't |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 09:09 PM |
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NFL PLAYERS HAVE CROSSED PICKET LINES BEFORE! |
Logical |
Nov-08-11 10:36 PM |
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How many AFL-CIO unions crossed strike picket lines during the PATCO Air Traffic Controllers Strike? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-08-11 10:48 PM |
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My point is the nfl/nba unions are not real labor unions! They do not give a shit... |
Logical |
Nov-08-11 10:59 PM |
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And who are you to decide what workers are organized into "real" labor unions? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-09-11 08:45 AM |
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It's always wrong to take the side of the owners against the players |
Ken Burch |
Nov-06-11 10:58 PM |
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And the owner's salary would increase by many more millions . |
Bandit |
Nov-07-11 10:06 AM |
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I imagine many people have a cut-off point |
LanternWaste |
Nov-07-11 12:29 PM |
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Rich players vs even richer owners all wanting even more money. |
Peter1x9 |
Nov-06-11 01:49 PM |
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Yep. What about the people serving the beer and cleaning the toilets at the stadium |
progressoid |
Nov-06-11 01:58 PM |
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The owners sure as hell don't and if they take a billion dollars out of the players income they .... |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:08 PM |
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Nope and that is a shame. Once more it is the little guy |
ChazII |
Nov-06-11 10:44 PM |
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fair enough but the players started out conceding accepting lower salaries and caps. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-06-11 02:00 PM |
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At least the players DO something for the money. The owners do nothing. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-06-11 11:00 PM |
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Excessive. No doubt. |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-06-11 02:05 PM |
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He Was Being Paid Thirty Million A Year |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:15 PM |
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He is selfish and greedy. He made his so screw everyone else coming up! A typical owner. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:18 PM |
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He Also Refused To Campaign For Harvey Gant In His Race Against Jesse Helms |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:24 PM |
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MJ is an asshole. nt |
femrap |
Nov-06-11 09:35 PM |
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Harvey Gantt paved the way |
Carolina |
Nov-07-11 01:49 PM |
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He as paid that in his latter years. He played for peanuts most of his career. He was not paid some |
Pisces |
Nov-06-11 02:28 PM |
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You Act Like 23 Was The Only Basketball Player In The World Worth Thity Million Dollars |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:35 PM |
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Here ya go |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-08-11 10:57 PM |
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They can keep their ball and go home forever for all I care... |
Moostache |
Nov-06-11 02:19 PM |
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There Is A Lockout In The NBA As There Was In The NFL |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:37 PM |
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What you propose would happen in a utopian socialist society. But meanwhile, who do you support? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 02:38 PM |
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I see.... |
Moostache |
Nov-07-11 11:15 AM |
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Good points .... the corporate owners could use them in their drive to destroy the players union. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 12:16 PM |
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The players are the product and the labor in this case |
rurallib |
Nov-06-11 02:27 PM |
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The size of the players paychecks isn't the point. |
xchrom |
Nov-06-11 02:31 PM |
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PLUS ONE |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:38 PM |
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Quick question.... |
WCGreen |
Nov-06-11 02:39 PM |
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How many millionaire players from the New York Knicks have stopped by at Zuccotti Park |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:49 PM |
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You don't know. How many of Obama's Wall Street campaign donors have stopped by Zuccotti Park |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 03:01 PM |
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There it is! |
Bobbie Jo |
Nov-07-11 10:34 AM |
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I Saw Grant Hill Campaign For John Kerry |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:55 PM |
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And I remember Sandy Alomar refusing to shake hands with |
WCGreen |
Nov-06-11 10:40 PM |
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Most Of The Players Are Democrats. Most Of The Owners Are GOP |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 08:54 AM |
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So if there was a National Union of Goldman Sachs Traders |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 02:52 PM |
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Get Back To Me When The Goldman Sachs Traders Form A Union |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 02:59 PM |
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why are we surprised about a 1 percenter acting like a 1 percenter? |
dembotoz |
Nov-06-11 02:38 PM |
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Billionaires squabbling with millionaires. |
Lizzie Poppet |
Nov-06-11 02:57 PM |
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What side do you think Wall Street and corporate American supports in this union busting operation? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 03:03 PM |
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The Players Are Still Labor, Albeit Rich Labor |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 03:04 PM |
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I've been following this dispute a bit. |
Lizzie Poppet |
Nov-06-11 03:09 PM |
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And how much of the working class majority supports the owners according to your research? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 03:34 PM |
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Wouldn't call it "research." |
Lizzie Poppet |
Nov-06-11 04:04 PM |
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I understand your point. And it's true that pro-capitalist propaganda did well in the past. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 04:38 PM |
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Well, you know in this case, |
GreenArrow |
Nov-06-11 04:45 PM |
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Yes...and I think the majority of working class folks see no heroes in that dispute. |
Lizzie Poppet |
Nov-06-11 05:02 PM |
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One of the few actual teams in the NBA is the Dallas Mavericks. |
KamaAina |
Nov-07-11 12:47 PM |
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I think one might also consider that |
GreenArrow |
Nov-06-11 04:44 PM |
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But throwing a ball through a hoop is so much more important than educating our kids (nt) |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 04:50 PM |
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The owners are not interested in educating your kids, just theirs who they send to private schools. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 05:32 PM |
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They always try to pit lower paid workers against higher paid ones. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 05:31 PM |
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I don't see either outcome benefitting working class people, |
GreenArrow |
Nov-06-11 06:37 PM |
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I see the corporate owners winning this battle as a win for big business and Wall Street |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 06:56 PM |
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Well, that's probably true if you work |
GreenArrow |
Nov-06-11 07:54 PM |
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In a conflict between Wall Street/Big Business against employees I'll always stand with labor. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 09:17 PM |
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"It's greed versus greedier" |
Lordquinton |
Nov-07-11 01:44 AM |
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Right. And on the other hand, ballers are CONSTANTLY joining picket lines for their union brothers. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:52 AM |
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one percenters quarreling with .50 percenters. |
spanone |
Nov-06-11 03:04 PM |
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To be fair, the ability to throw a ball through a metal hoop is of enormous value to society. |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 03:11 PM |
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Do You Think If There Was No NBA , Salaries For Brain Surgeons Would Go Up? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 03:13 PM |
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If we banned professional entertainment the pay for rocket scientists would go up 20%! |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 03:31 PM |
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wrong question |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-09-11 02:23 PM |
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I support Unions. I do not support Union-Busters. Doesn't matter if the pay is 5.00 or 5 million.. |
AzDar |
Nov-06-11 03:17 PM |
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I Have Been Following The Dispute |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-06-11 03:20 PM |
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". . . Michael Jordan is ... a cheap, stingy, mean-spirited, |
99 Percent Sure |
Nov-06-11 03:46 PM |
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This basketball-loving, Jordan-hater agrees with you completely |
catzies |
Nov-06-11 06:33 PM |
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Sorry Jordan ended the Lakers dynasty era |
SnakeEyes |
Nov-06-11 07:49 PM |
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Actually, the Detroit Pistons ended the Lakers' |
99 Percent Sure |
Nov-06-11 10:38 PM |
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He got away with a lot of fouls yet, if any player |
99 Percent Sure |
Nov-06-11 09:06 PM |
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Say what you want about him as a person.. |
JackDragna |
Nov-07-11 09:02 AM |
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Jordan Was A Great Basketball Player But A Lousy Human Being |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 08:52 AM |
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Don't forget "Dr. J"! |
onpatrol98 |
Nov-08-11 10:33 PM |
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Ditto |
Carolina |
Nov-07-11 01:56 PM |
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Couldn't we just abandon these douchebag owners and start our own companies? |
Initech |
Nov-06-11 04:20 PM |
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Nope. It's not allowed by the professional sports owner trusts. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 04:36 PM |
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Me no likey Mikey. |
City Lights |
Nov-06-11 04:21 PM |
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You don't have to like him to admit he's a great basketball player. |
Pisces |
Nov-06-11 08:06 PM |
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He was a great player. As was the baseball player Ty Cobb. He was also a hard core racist asshole. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-06-11 09:19 PM |
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And Floyd Mayweather Is A Great Boxer |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 08:56 AM |
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He pushed off on Byron Russell |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-09-11 02:26 PM |
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The truth is, he's always been kind of a douche. |
Lex |
Nov-06-11 07:40 PM |
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Word. He didn't really let his dickish flag fly until he retired, |
bullwinkle428 |
Nov-06-11 08:56 PM |
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Wah wah |
cwydro |
Nov-06-11 07:42 PM |
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+1 |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-06-11 08:12 PM |
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Since the 1990s. |
SnakeEyes |
Nov-06-11 07:46 PM |
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Or he could be just a douche bag |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-06-11 09:20 PM |
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I'm from Chicago, was a big fan of MJ and the Bulls in the 90s hey day. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Nov-07-11 01:22 AM |
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If He Comes Out Of Retirement And Wins Four More Championships |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 02:30 PM |
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knr |
frylock |
Nov-06-11 08:36 PM |
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Jordan is a scumbag degenerate gambler with a God complex |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-06-11 09:17 PM |
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MJ is the |
femrap |
Nov-06-11 09:33 PM |
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He Was In A Car With Barkley. |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 09:01 AM |
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I don't think |
femrap |
Nov-07-11 11:55 AM |
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We should have known this was coming when MJ REFUSED to endorse Harvey Gantt |
Ken Burch |
Nov-06-11 10:56 PM |
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All of the players aren't rich. All of the owners are wealthy. |
SharksBreath |
Nov-07-11 01:05 AM |
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Let's not forget |
rpannier |
Nov-07-11 01:18 AM |
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It's different on the other side of the business. |
MrSlayer |
Nov-07-11 01:30 AM |
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The major league sports business needs to be reinvented. |
tcaudilllg |
Nov-07-11 05:20 AM |
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That won't happen until their anti-trust exemptions are ended by Congress. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 08:22 AM |
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The owners only need 16 votes to approve |
n2doc |
Nov-07-11 08:47 AM |
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He's Mad Becausec His Little Franchise Is Irrelevant |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 08:57 AM |
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why do you think they call them Air Jordans? |
TheeHazelnut |
Nov-07-11 09:10 AM |
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Never could stand the guy. |
Faygo Kid |
Nov-07-11 09:45 AM |
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Now his Hitler moustache finally makes sense |
Blue Owl |
Nov-07-11 10:50 AM |
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Poor, poor NBA players. This is a *LABOR* issue! |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 10:51 AM |
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Strike breaking and union busting is always a labor issue even in the entertainment industry |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 12:19 PM |
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Right. Just like the NBA ballers walk the picket line with the SEIU. It's all "labor". |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 12:40 PM |
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There is no NBA players union picketline so what's your point? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 01:09 PM |
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There's also no Solidarity between the NBA Players' Union and any other union. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 01:31 PM |
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Why such hostility toward the labor movement and support for corporate owners by you? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 01:12 PM |
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It's not a "labor movement", and to dub it such trivializes the very concept. |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 01:33 PM |
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Most Of The NBA Is Comprised |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-07-11 02:33 PM |
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Do you also hate baseball and football players and support these entertainment industry owners? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 04:02 PM |
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For real? You're using the internet, and you're complaining you don't know the meaning of a word? |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 05:26 PM |
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I had to look it up. Sorry that I and most other workers aren't as smart and educated as you are. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 05:35 PM |
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You also don't know much about history (cultural revolution reference: over your head.) |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 06:42 PM |
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The claim made that the basketball players and their union never supported public workers is a lie |
Better Believe It |
Nov-08-11 07:48 PM |
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Hard to get too worked up about the 1% bickering among themselves |
Nye Bevan |
Nov-07-11 01:18 PM |
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Don't you understand how the outcome can impact the wages and benefits of stadium workers? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 01:30 PM |
#120 |
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The two things aren't related (even a little.) Stadium workers made min. wage under the previous |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 05:29 PM |
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If the corporate owners cut the players pay they'll increase the stadium workers pay. Bull shit! |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-11 12:22 PM |
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"Republicans buy sneakers, too." |
Orsino |
Nov-07-11 01:55 PM |
#125 |
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As a Pistons fan, I've always hated him. Now I have a GOOD reason! |
catbyte |
Nov-07-11 03:41 PM |
#129 |
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Oh Man - he can be the next anti-Romney |
mdmc |
Nov-07-11 04:04 PM |
#131 |
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So Charlotte is responsible for the downfall of the NBA in addition to the financial meltdown? |
taterguy |
Nov-07-11 05:07 PM |
#132 |
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Give it up; nobody is crying for Bron Bron |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 05:28 PM |
#134 |
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holy crap I'm out of it |
Enrique |
Nov-07-11 05:35 PM |
#137 |
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NBA strike |
adam in oregon |
Nov-07-11 08:40 PM |
#139 |
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" just another money-losing owner " Kind of says it all, doesn't it? (I support Jordan) |
nomb |
Nov-09-11 08:51 AM |
#148 |
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Amazing what money can do to one - if they allow themselves to only care about money. |
GreenTea |
Nov-09-11 02:46 PM |
#151 |
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That seems to be his only concern in life. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-09-11 05:53 PM |
#152 |
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