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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-11 09:37 AM
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45. I STRONGLY beg to differ, nessa.
And here is why: The doctors can never be %100 percent sure that the fetus is dead. They make their diagnosis, and they make recommendations, but I was told MANY times that there would always be a small percentage of a chance that the fetus was still alive. In most of the D&C's I had--all except the first--I had already started bleeding. But with that first one, there is no telling how long it could have taken for me to start bleeding on my own.

All of my D&C's went down in the books as "abortions". The fundies (don't you love how your spell checker turns "fundies" into "fun dies?" I just thing that is soooo appropriate.) don't give a crappola whether the fetus is living or dead. They want to STOP D&C's. Period.

Also, one little detail I left out of the story is that my mother once had a stillbirth. No telling how long that "baby" had been dead. Since it was most likely caused by the translocation, if she had had amniocentesis and abortion available to her, she might not have had to go through such a heartbreaking experience.

And another thing. If any of my UNbalanced translocation pregnancies (the ones for which I had "abortions") had gone full term, I was told that the "baby" would probably not be able to live on its own. I would either give birth to a dead baby, or it would be so wrought with defects that it would die very shortly after birth. With access to amnio, I never had to worry about that. My husband and I wouldn't have allowed a pregnancy with an unbalanced translocation to progress that far. We would have gotten an abortion. Fortunately, I never had to make that decision. But also, fortunately, the CHOICE was available to us.

And finally, that bill in Mississippi does not distinguish between living or dead fetuses. It simply states that "life" begins at "conception" (however you define that!). Since no doctor can ever be 100% sure that a fetus is dead, no doctor would ever be willing to put his/her license on the line to do a D&C on ANYONE. Except, probably, for those angels like Dr. Hern in Boulder, who constantly has people standing outside his office "praying" and yelling at people entering to "not KILL their baby."

If anyone had yelled that at me I probably would have LOST IT.
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  -Aerows has inspired me. My "abortions". kag  Nov-05-11 03:14 PM   #0 
  - Thank you for sharing your story.  dkf   Nov-05-11 03:21 PM   #1 
  - Great post - thanks for taking the time to share your unique story. nt  TBF   Nov-05-11 03:22 PM   #2 
  - Thank you for sharing your story.  madinmaryland   Nov-05-11 03:35 PM   #3 
  - Thank you so much for posting- I had no idea about circumstances such as that.  Poll_Blind   Nov-05-11 03:36 PM   #4 
  - Thank you, Poll_Bind.  kag   Nov-05-11 03:41 PM   #6 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Nov-05-11 03:41 PM   #5 
  - .  Coyote_Bandit   Nov-05-11 03:44 PM   #7 
  - K&R for a strong, brave woman.  Brickbat   Nov-05-11 03:46 PM   #8 
  - Sounds a lot like our story.  Sirveri   Nov-05-11 03:49 PM   #9 
  - I am so sorry, Sirveri.  kag   Nov-05-11 04:01 PM   #11 
  - .................  Angry Dragon   Nov-05-11 03:53 PM   #10 
  - Thanks.  Ship of Fools   Nov-05-11 04:15 PM   #12 
  - K&R! What a heartbreaking and inspiring story...  Rhiannon12866   Nov-05-11 04:25 PM   #13 
  - I'm glad I inspired you to share your story  Aerows   Nov-05-11 05:11 PM   #14 
  - Yes, thanks, Aerows.  kag   Nov-05-11 08:49 PM   #25 
  - EXCELLENT. thank you so much!  RainDog   Nov-05-11 05:30 PM   #15 
  - Thank you for sharing and hug your two beautiful kids for me  Lunabelle   Nov-05-11 05:42 PM   #16 
  - Inspiring and educational!  burrowowl   Nov-05-11 06:03 PM   #17 
  - Thank you for your story  catrose   Nov-05-11 06:23 PM   #18 
  - Thanks, catrose.  kag   Nov-05-11 09:19 PM   #28 
  - Thank you so much for having the strength to share your story with all of us, you are a brave and  louslobbs   Nov-05-11 06:46 PM   #19 
  - Thank you kag, for a touching story  hatrack   Nov-05-11 06:55 PM   #20 
  - Thank you so much for sharing your story.  Withywindle   Nov-05-11 06:56 PM   #21 
  - "pro-life" activists: (crickets) (crickets) then...  alp227   Nov-05-11 07:23 PM   #22 
  - It's THE reason - because it's part of a larger mindset that needs to be kept from power  RainDog   Nov-05-11 07:26 PM   #23 
  - Thank you for sharing your story - I had to have a D&C once  nadine_mn   Nov-05-11 07:59 PM   #24 
  - Nadine, thank you.  kag   Nov-05-11 08:59 PM   #27 
  - thank you for sharing....  madrchsod   Nov-05-11 08:50 PM   #26 
  - I don't think  femrap   Nov-05-11 10:03 PM   #29 
  - thanks so much for sharing that  FirstLight   Nov-05-11 10:48 PM   #30 
  - My heart goes out to you, FirstLight.  kag   Nov-06-11 09:00 AM   #43 
  - An amazing story. Not easy being human as it is.  immoderate   Nov-05-11 10:54 PM   #31 
  - Wow, this story was...  CoffeeCat   Nov-05-11 10:56 PM   #32 
  - Thank you so much for you story  OhioBlue   Nov-05-11 10:59 PM   #33 
  - Wow, Ohio Blue!  kag   Nov-06-11 09:16 AM   #44 
  - Wow, thank you for sharing  jmondine   Nov-05-11 11:06 PM   #34 
  - I am so thankful to people like you, jmondine.  kag   Nov-06-11 10:07 AM   #49 
  - And this should only ever be an issue to be decided by you, your husband and Doctor n/t  hootinholler   Nov-05-11 11:21 PM   #35 
  - Certainly not Slappy Thomas  Doctor_J   Nov-06-11 06:54 AM   #38 
  - Amen to that.  xxqqqzme   Nov-06-11 10:59 AM   #50 
     - Been a while  hootinholler   Nov-06-11 03:21 PM   #59 
        - 7 (SEVEN!) years in  xxqqqzme   Nov-06-11 05:15 PM   #61 
           - OMG  hootinholler   Nov-06-11 09:54 PM   #62 
              - You are sweet to say so.  xxqqqzme   Nov-07-11 10:50 AM   #64 
                 - Get a room!  kag   Nov-07-11 01:47 PM   #65 
  - Hugs to you and yours.  JNelson6563   Nov-06-11 04:43 AM   #36 
  - My sister and her husband.. Christian as can be  glowing   Nov-06-11 06:22 AM   #37 
  - Thank you for a clear and compelling example of why these bills  annabanana   Nov-06-11 07:00 AM   #39 
  - Yours is a touching story, but you can be sure ...  nessa   Nov-06-11 07:09 AM   #40 
  - I STRONGLY beg to differ, nessa.  kag   Nov-06-11 09:37 AM   #45 
  - No,  chervilant   Nov-06-11 10:02 AM   #47 
  - I'm just looking at the legislation as it has been presented...  nessa   Nov-06-11 12:02 PM   #52 
     - In VA, a GOP legislator tried to require women to report miscarriages to the police  Neurotica   Nov-06-11 12:28 PM   #53 
     - Okay, let me say it a different way.  kag   Nov-06-11 01:02 PM   #54 
     - Really?  chervilant   Nov-06-11 01:17 PM   #55 
     - And yet, almost every factory I ever walked through has fumes that would knock  truedelphi   Nov-07-11 03:27 PM   #67 
        - Great point, truedelphi.  kag   Nov-08-11 03:04 AM   #68 
           - One of the valid points that RW Christians bring up is this  truedelphi   Nov-08-11 04:09 PM   #71 
  - Some politicians already oppose abortions even if it's to protect the life of the mother  NickB79   Nov-06-11 01:59 PM   #57 
     - We had one of those here in Colorado in 2010.  kag   Nov-08-11 07:05 AM   #70 
  - Telling your story helps dispel the abysmal ignorance  lunatica   Nov-06-11 07:10 AM   #41 
  - Yes, I did, lunatica.  kag   Nov-06-11 01:31 PM   #56 
  - Thanks So Much For Your Story!  Kath1   Nov-06-11 08:07 AM   #42 
  - Thank you Kath1.  kag   Nov-06-11 09:44 AM   #46 
     - You Can Count On It!  Kath1   Nov-07-11 09:09 AM   #63 
  - Plus a gazillion + 50 million times infinity times a gazillion! n/t  chervilant   Nov-06-11 10:05 AM   #48 
  - thank you for sharing  fizzgig   Nov-06-11 11:22 AM   #51 
  - So glad I didn't have coffee in my mouth when I read this.  kag   Nov-07-11 01:50 PM   #66 
     - Love It Too!  Kath1   Nov-08-11 05:17 AM   #69 
  - Thank you for your story.  LWolf   Nov-06-11 03:13 PM   #58 
  - Indeed, LWolf  kag   Nov-06-11 04:26 PM   #60 
  - Thank you for sharing your story  backtoblue   Nov-08-11 04:17 PM   #72 
 

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