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Sat Nov-05-11 02:54 PM
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| 8. I'm surprised that I have to keep saying this but: Socialism |
| -My problem with liberal capitalism. |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 02:29 PM |
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Nov-05-11 02:41 PM |
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Fascism is a form of capitalism. It maintains private property and the capitalist mode of production |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 02:48 PM |
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Fascism is a form of capitalism. The biggest difference is that fascism is rooted in |
Exilednight |
Nov-05-11 05:13 PM |
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You think there's room for a modified form, tempered with |
tblue |
Nov-05-11 02:42 PM |
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I don't think you can successfully regulate capitalism. |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 02:51 PM |
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It's a rude awakening for Americans |
tblue |
Nov-05-11 04:09 PM |
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Agreed. The regulators will always be for sale. |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:54 PM |
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Sadly even the Social-Democracies are facing calls for austerity. |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 05:06 PM |
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Yes - victims of capitalism |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 05:10 PM |
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Unfortunately |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 02:44 PM |
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+1. We are beyond reformation. And even if we manage to reform a little... |
Modern_Matthew |
Nov-05-11 02:46 PM |
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"We need a new political and economic system." |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 02:48 PM |
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I'm surprised that I have to keep saying this but: Socialism |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 02:54 PM |
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Define Socialism And Please Give Me A Nation To Which The Socialism You Envision Is Practiced |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 03:00 PM |
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Define capitalism! |
napoleon_in_rags |
Nov-05-11 03:17 PM |
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Lenin Sounds A Lot Like Hubert Humphrey |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 03:22 PM |
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I think you meant to write "Lennon" |
napoleon_in_rags |
Nov-05-11 03:41 PM |
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I Read It Fast |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 03:45 PM |
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I like that too. I'll never forget visiting the Anasazi ruins as a child. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Nov-05-11 03:54 PM |
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There are many ancient civilzations which thrived |
hyphenate |
Nov-05-11 06:48 PM |
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Also the Iroquois Confederacy is an example of a society not based on private property or profit |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 07:30 PM |
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It makes me wonder what the future looks like. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Nov-05-11 08:34 PM |
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Choose any of the northern European Social democracies.... |
prairierose |
Nov-05-11 03:22 PM |
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They Are Advanced Welfare States |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 03:26 PM |
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The Term is Social Democracy |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:39 PM |
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Every one has a capitalistic economy as its core |
hack89 |
Nov-05-11 04:32 PM |
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Sweden's Government MAKES money |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:39 PM |
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Care to provide some examples? |
hack89 |
Nov-05-11 10:14 PM |
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+10000 |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:44 PM |
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So socialism is about providing services? |
FrodosPet |
Nov-05-11 11:29 PM |
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Stop dumping on USSR already. It was destroyed 20 years ago, |
Fool Count |
Nov-06-11 06:06 PM |
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You're not serious, are you? |
ParkieDem |
Nov-07-11 05:17 PM |
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I am serious. And I lived in USSR 40 years in time removed |
Fool Count |
Nov-07-11 06:08 PM |
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Socialism is a very big tent. It can be anything from employee owned companies... |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:37 PM |
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What You Are Refeering To Is A Really Advanced Welfare State Supported By Capitalist Profits |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 04:40 PM |
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Not necesarrily. Socialism simply means, the workers control the means of production |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:44 PM |
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Some of us are unilaterally antithetical to socialism... |
Chan790 |
Nov-05-11 04:38 PM |
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Alas you have no clue what socialism is |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-11 04:41 PM |
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I Don't Like Labels |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 04:45 PM |
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Yup, he did. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-11 04:46 PM |
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He also said they fix prices and monopolize. |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:47 PM |
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Alas he was talking of the ill of his day |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-11 04:49 PM |
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Actually you're wrong on both counts but I'll let you persist in such beliefs. n/t |
Chan790 |
Nov-05-11 05:00 PM |
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So I did not read such in the wealth of nations? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-11 05:03 PM |
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I care piss-all about Adam Smith. |
Chan790 |
Nov-05-11 05:30 PM |
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Four hundred years? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-11 09:41 PM |
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He misspoke Adam Smith has only been dead for 300 years. |
Synicus Maximus |
Nov-06-11 06:07 PM |
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Three hundred years? When did the us celebrate our 300 anniversary. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-07-11 04:33 PM |
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Am I your enemy? I am a Socialist. |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:42 PM |
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I'd debate your socialist cred if you're advocating any Socialism that looks like Social Democracy. |
Chan790 |
Nov-05-11 04:58 PM |
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Confessions of an Economic Hitman |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-11 05:05 PM |
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Great book |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 05:13 PM |
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Chavez has done a lot of good for Venezuela |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 05:12 PM |
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Care to explain what is so evil about the collective ownership of modes of production? |
themadstork |
Nov-06-11 03:54 AM |
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I see capital (money) as a unit of motivation, energy and organization. |
CJCRANE |
Nov-05-11 03:30 PM |
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Excellent post... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-05-11 11:57 PM |
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Just come out and say it. You hate capitalism in any form. |
bluestate10 |
Nov-05-11 04:17 PM |
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In The Early Days Of Israel |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 04:27 PM |
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Problem is you don't start it that way |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:51 PM |
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Capitalism does not make people's lives better. Not for the majoirty. |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 04:33 PM |
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I Am Sympathetic To Small C Communism But I See No Evidence It Has Worked |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-05-11 04:35 PM |
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Communism =/= Socialism |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:51 PM |
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Socialism does not equal Marxism |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:47 PM |
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REGULATED capitalism can succeed, imo, |
elleng |
Nov-05-11 04:46 PM |
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Problem is regulation has failed, and will fail |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:48 PM |
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Capitalism is for sale in this country because 'law' has enabled it to become so. |
elleng |
Nov-05-11 06:01 PM |
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Well, a few years of wealth redistribution would do wonders |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 06:13 PM |
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Good premise but faulty conclusion. Liberals love MARKETS (as I do). |
banned from Kos |
Nov-05-11 04:51 PM |
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Hmm not quite |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-11 04:52 PM |
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Markets, yes. The Stock Market, no. |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 04:52 PM |
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Why don't you just ignore the stock market then? |
banned from Kos |
Nov-05-11 05:02 PM |
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The difference is the Southern Baptists have not ruined the economy or bought the government. |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 05:03 PM |
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So you think its good that all of our destiny is tied to a roulette wheel? |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 05:09 PM |
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Ignoring problems doesn't solve them. n/t |
Exilednight |
Nov-05-11 05:20 PM |
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So tell me how much of their work do hedge fund managers sell? |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 04:54 PM |
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Good question. Hedge fund managers get paid to be right. |
banned from Kos |
Nov-05-11 05:06 PM |
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What good to they do for society? |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 05:09 PM |
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They do NO GOOD for society. But that is not a condition to live in the USA. |
banned from Kos |
Nov-05-11 05:15 PM |
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You can't really be comparing being gay to being a hedge fund manager. |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 05:18 PM |
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+1000 |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 05:23 PM |
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Gays don't add to society? Tell that to Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Harvey Milk, Tom Amiano... |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 05:23 PM |
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"some" gays and hedge fund managers add to society! Of course! |
banned from Kos |
Nov-05-11 05:47 PM |
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You cite Carl Ichan??? The man who destroyed TWA???? |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 05:52 PM |
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Yes. Ichan has contributed much to society. He might have been a complete dick |
banned from Kos |
Nov-05-11 06:01 PM |
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I don't care if he fed starving babies, he helped destroy labor in the US |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 06:06 PM |
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Here is the problem. By it's nature the profession hedgefund manager is going to cause trouble. |
white_wolf |
Nov-05-11 05:56 PM |
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The great Soros is a hedgie! And he donates millions to democratic causes! |
banned from Kos |
Nov-05-11 06:03 PM |
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Yes. You. Can. |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 06:39 PM |
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+100000 |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 05:09 PM |
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liberal capitalism |
just us |
Nov-05-11 05:08 PM |
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I think that some capitalism is a good thing |
hyphenate |
Nov-05-11 06:32 PM |
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But as the dominant economic theology |
Taverner |
Nov-05-11 06:40 PM |
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Enterprise is not exclusive to capitailsm |
themadstork |
Nov-06-11 04:08 AM |
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this is fascism, not liberal capitalism |
fascisthunter |
Nov-05-11 06:41 PM |
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the unbridled economic and political power.... |
unkachuck |
Nov-05-11 09:22 PM |
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Liberalism won the cold war. That is why all countries in the world are mixed market economies. |
applegrove |
Nov-05-11 09:54 PM |
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I don't understand the natural-rights justification for the existence of capitalists, |
themadstork |
Nov-06-11 03:20 AM |
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The natural rights argument is something I just can't take seriously. |
white_wolf |
Nov-06-11 01:17 PM |
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It's a form of reasoning. |
themadstork |
Nov-06-11 05:31 PM |
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The point is it is a faulty form of reasoning. |
white_wolf |
Nov-06-11 06:06 PM |
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I'm with you. Liberalism is dead. |
Scruffy1 |
Nov-06-11 05:20 AM |
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"Liberalism" in the classical sense has very little to do with American "liberalism" |
Spider Jerusalem |
Nov-06-11 06:10 PM |
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The "Third Way" movement here in the US ("New Democrats") is specifically an attempt |
Romulox |
Nov-07-11 05:25 PM |
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