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I'd much rather neutral personnel carryout court orders than blackwater or the like.
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| -Occupy Los Angeles' Demands and Objectives Committee releases 8 preliminary demands. List below: |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:17 AM |
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Don't Understand 7 - Isnt that a Tea Party Talking Point? |
NeedleCast |
Nov-03-11 11:20 AM |
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Many liberals want to end the fed too |
abelenkpe |
Nov-03-11 11:23 AM |
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Many of the people calling for an end to the Fed offer no explanation |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:31 AM |
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JFK wanted to abolish the Fed. |
Xithras |
Nov-03-11 12:09 PM |
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EO11110 bought Kennedy an eternal flame. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-03-11 12:25 PM |
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Thank you for that explanation. |
Matariki |
Nov-03-11 12:56 PM |
#43 |
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Thank you for that detailed explanation. This is why I said the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 09:52 PM |
#127 |
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There are issues the 99% and the real Tea Partiers, not the racist hangers on, agree on. |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 12:49 PM |
#40 |
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I totally disagree. The teaparty is responsible for supporting Bush tax cuts, ending social program |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:34 PM |
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And Obama is responsible for extending the Bush tax cuts. |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 03:55 PM |
#94 |
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yes. beware those who want a coalition w teaparty / ron paulists nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:36 PM |
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Totally agree. |
abelenkpe |
Nov-03-11 11:20 AM |
#2 |
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Great! I'm glad that they're starting to come up with a platform for legislative action. |
Cant trust em |
Nov-03-11 11:22 AM |
#3 |
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I agree. Just so folks have a little better sense of next steps, the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:37 AM |
#8 |
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Dont' you get that this list will make them look ridiculous? End the FED Nice fringey Ron Paul goal |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:16 PM |
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End the fed is as American as apple pie |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:20 PM |
#24 |
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This is not a goal of the people who are angry about economic injustic - this is fringe |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:27 PM |
#30 |
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Well then I guess we should not reform the system. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:30 PM |
#33 |
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In Occupy Los Angeles, there are many Ron Paul supporters |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-03-11 01:12 PM |
#44 |
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True, but the saving grace of OLA is that it uses 100% consensus. |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:15 PM |
#48 |
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I, for one, am glad for that as these Ron Paulers make me cringe |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-03-11 02:32 PM |
#56 |
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Anyone asking you for donations has not been authorized by the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:47 PM |
#66 |
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When I was there on Saturday, a young guy came to me with a bucket for money |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-03-11 03:00 PM |
#71 |
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Locals have set an actual donation page |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 03:04 PM |
#74 |
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I'm glad you did not contribute any $$ to this non-authorized (and |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 03:07 PM |
#75 |
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OK, this is a set of 'preliminary demands' not a finalized set by |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:11 PM |
#47 |
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I would have suspected a reference to ending the current unfair tax rates. |
KansDem |
Nov-03-11 11:28 AM |
#5 |
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Agreed. I wish to reiterate that this is a list of 'preliminary' demands and |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:48 AM |
#9 |
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Los Angeles is the most populous city in California |
snooper2 |
Nov-03-11 11:36 AM |
#7 |
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Thanks for the tourism bullet points. Do you have any ideas |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:49 AM |
#10 |
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Randy Newman has also declared his love for it in song n/t |
RZM |
Nov-03-11 06:21 PM |
#119 |
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Here in Va |
rjj621 |
Nov-03-11 12:08 PM |
#11 |
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Again, wish to stress that this is a list of 'perliminary' demands. None |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:18 PM |
#49 |
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Much of the Patriot Act was a knee jerk reaction and seriously |
rjj621 |
Nov-03-11 05:06 PM |
#106 |
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Thanks for your observations. I will try to make sure they are shared |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:44 PM |
#112 |
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I don't see much that will solve the problems caused by this economy. |
county worker |
Nov-03-11 12:13 PM |
#13 |
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I have gradually acquired confidence in the consensus model |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:46 PM |
#132 |
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Wow. Not well done. Shows that the Ron Paul gang is involved and it's fringey |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:13 PM |
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Nov-03-11 12:17 PM |
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It's not THE POINT of this movement! They need to focus on jobs and economic injustice!! nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:20 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Nov-03-11 12:33 PM |
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To bad those who were are so out to lunch nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:30 PM |
#55 |
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+1 |
redqueen |
Nov-03-11 12:18 PM |
#19 |
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-1 |
RegieRocker |
Nov-03-11 12:19 PM |
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If there is a moratorium on all foreclosures why would you need #5? |
TBF |
Nov-03-11 12:16 PM |
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There can never be a moratorium on all foreclosures |
slackmaster |
Nov-03-11 12:19 PM |
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How do you feel about worldwide socialism as a "realistic goal" - |
TBF |
Nov-03-11 12:22 PM |
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Most countries in the world have some degree of socialism |
slackmaster |
Nov-03-11 12:52 PM |
#41 |
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A moratorium is a legal delay - not an invalidation. nt |
TBF |
Nov-03-11 03:49 PM |
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Don't bother parsing...he's too busy shilling. |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-03-11 11:47 PM |
#133 |
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I agree there is some slippage between the demands on this list. It is, |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:23 PM |
#50 |
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It's an unrealistic MESS. That will not contribute to broadening the movement, + has no focus nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:30 PM |
#54 |
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A specific measure calling for the LA Sherriff's to discontinue |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:43 PM |
#62 |
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It's unlikely to happen. As for diverting $ you can see where we are in congress |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:46 PM |
#64 |
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I think your sentiments can be rightly charactrerized right now as |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:53 PM |
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I strongly oppose #5! |
slackmaster |
Nov-03-11 12:18 PM |
#18 |
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This thread seems to be getting unrec'd.... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-03-11 12:19 PM |
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The OP is not a fail, but the list is a fail and a bad omen for the movement, imo |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:23 PM |
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I see social and Econ justice there |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:27 PM |
#31 |
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Ron Paul is a right wing racist demagog. Ending the Fed is not going to happen |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:34 PM |
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We know things are exactly as they ever was |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:38 PM |
#39 |
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So, anyone who opposes the Fed is automatically a Ron Paul supporter? |
AntiFascist |
Nov-03-11 12:29 PM |
#32 |
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The Fed is not going to be ended. This is fairy dust stuff and fringe nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:32 PM |
#34 |
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It's only "fringe" because you let them define it as such. |
Xithras |
Nov-03-11 01:42 PM |
#46 |
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I think 1% of the US population favors ending the Fed. 90% don't know anything about it nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:29 PM |
#53 |
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You're out of touch. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-04-11 04:21 AM |
#143 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-03-11 01:15 PM |
#45 |
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Whew! Glad I'm not a fail :) I actually think the list is proof that |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:28 PM |
#52 |
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Why would #1 cause unrec? |
rjj621 |
Nov-03-11 12:26 PM |
#29 |
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The answer to your question should be obvious... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-03-11 12:34 PM |
#36 |
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Hell, I thought I was providing a public service in publishing the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 03:14 PM |
#83 |
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Nothing will start until eight happens. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:23 PM |
#27 |
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Looks to me like a lot of tagalongs who don't understand |
Zorra |
Nov-03-11 12:35 PM |
#38 |
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Hunh? This list has nothing - ZERO - to do with the General |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:33 PM |
#57 |
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Good, I'm really glad! My mistake, Thanks. |
Zorra |
Nov-03-11 04:56 PM |
#103 |
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I wish I could be enthusiastic about this list since I'm coming home to L.A. soon... |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 12:54 PM |
#42 |
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I agree. I wanted to be a part of it but not if they continue with those demands |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:27 PM |
#51 |
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Do you live in a city with an Occupy encampment? I ask, b/c I think |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:40 PM |
#59 |
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Real Democracy is not a grouping of fringe interest organizations nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:50 PM |
#68 |
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"...fringe..." |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-03-11 03:09 PM |
#78 |
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One thing to realize |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:16 PM |
#84 |
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Answer the question. Do you live in a city with an Occupy encampment? |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-03-11 11:51 PM |
#134 |
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I've said this many times already. This is a 'preliminary list' of |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:38 PM |
#58 |
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It sounds like OccupyLA has too many special interest political groups |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:42 PM |
#61 |
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Good bye then |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 02:45 PM |
#63 |
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Sorry. Poor response from you. I'm not "scared" just critical, who can't handle it? nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:47 PM |
#65 |
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I know who can't |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 02:50 PM |
#69 |
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I'm unhappy with LA |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:02 PM |
#73 |
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Alas they are part of the 99% |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 03:07 PM |
#76 |
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Ron Paul represents the 1% - Rand Paul is Mr. Teaparty |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:14 PM |
#82 |
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But the supporters are like family of mine |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 03:20 PM |
#86 |
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A serious question for you: would you deny the Ron Paul |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 03:09 PM |
#79 |
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Yes I would deny the Ron Paul supporters a voice. Ron Paul is a racist demagog |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:12 PM |
#81 |
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But Ron Paul's supporters (for the most part) are part of the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 03:17 PM |
#85 |
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Be my guest making nice with the teaparty while you're at it nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:33 PM |
#87 |
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they are political manipulator's - do you want to repeat mistakes of the left? |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:39 PM |
#91 |
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I'm sorry to say that, despite your screen name, you are profoundly |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:23 PM |
#95 |
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If you don't see "economic justice" in most of those demands -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-03-11 03:11 PM |
#80 |
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I will be down there for sure! I'm working in NYC right now and have |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 02:48 PM |
#67 |
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I do apologize for the 'FFS' - think I was reacting to your use of |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:58 PM |
#116 |
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No problem, thanks for the post. I apologize if my criticism got you down. |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 07:57 PM |
#120 |
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Great list. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-03-11 02:42 PM |
#60 |
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A DUer upthread said there were portions of the Patriot Act he |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:35 PM |
#96 |
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FISA except been abused. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 05:06 PM |
#105 |
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Reaction |
TygrBright |
Nov-03-11 03:02 PM |
#72 |
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I agree that #5 is the most specific and therefore the easiest to |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:40 PM |
#97 |
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I'm not "advocating" anything. I'm pointing out that the "poverty draft" EXISTS, and |
TygrBright |
Nov-03-11 04:54 PM |
#102 |
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Got it. I think I misconstrued your original post a bit. Definitely |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:33 PM |
#109 |
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Disagree on # 4 |
Pigheaded |
Nov-03-11 03:09 PM |
#77 |
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Yeah, #4 makes me a little uneasy too. Again, this is a preliminary |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:43 PM |
#98 |
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people can walk away..but they want to stay...and no one is helping them do that |
xiamiam |
Nov-06-11 03:05 PM |
#150 |
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It's a start |
loyalsister |
Nov-03-11 03:37 PM |
#90 |
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I share your opinion about #7 and will hard block if I have to, in order |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:47 PM |
#100 |
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good move |
bigtree |
Nov-03-11 03:40 PM |
#92 |
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Yes. I published the OP here today to give people something to |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:49 PM |
#101 |
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This is the first time I've heard of the National Security Act and I don't really undestand |
Fire Walk With Me |
Nov-03-11 04:47 PM |
#99 |
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Repeal the fed? |
Drew Richards |
Nov-03-11 05:01 PM |
#104 |
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Preliminary list. Think of this as bill |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 05:07 PM |
#107 |
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Then git yer ass down to an Occupy -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-03-11 05:20 PM |
#108 |
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I concur and do so the extent that I am willing to hard block any |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:40 PM |
#110 |
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I'm glad #1 is #1. |
rug |
Nov-03-11 05:42 PM |
#111 |
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That makes two of us! - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:45 PM |
#113 |
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Ending the Drug war |
GreenArrow |
Nov-03-11 05:52 PM |
#114 |
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You know, now that you mention it, I honestly do not know. I am |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 08:44 PM |
#121 |
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My pleasure! n/t |
GreenArrow |
Nov-03-11 09:48 PM |
#126 |
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Get Rid of #5 |
Sgent |
Nov-03-11 05:53 PM |
#115 |
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This list is naive in the extreme. |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-03-11 06:08 PM |
#117 |
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I find naivete is part of the Occupy Movement's strength. It starts |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 09:37 PM |
#122 |
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You may not be appealing to anyone but, in order for demands to addressed, there must be |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-03-11 11:54 PM |
#135 |
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I take your point for sure (that demands should come out of a shared |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-04-11 12:07 AM |
#137 |
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I am aware of that list and I think it is great and a wonderful jumping point for |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-04-11 12:22 AM |
#139 |
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I'm going to try to put in an appearance at D&O this coming |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-04-11 12:35 AM |
#140 |
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Thank you for the discussion. I really appreciate what you do here on DU and your |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-04-11 12:56 AM |
#141 |
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You asked... |
redgiant |
Nov-03-11 06:12 PM |
#118 |
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Oy vey. Did you bother to read the responses that came before |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 09:40 PM |
#123 |
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Why? |
redgiant |
Nov-03-11 10:34 PM |
#129 |
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I give up. Welcome to my Ignore list - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:39 PM |
#130 |
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dont take any of your assumptions to the bank..we are in a new time |
xiamiam |
Nov-06-11 03:10 PM |
#151 |
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Public financing of elections.. |
We are Devo |
Nov-03-11 09:42 PM |
#124 |
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I'll make sure it is passed along. Think it may be subsumed somewhat |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 09:45 PM |
#125 |
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OK here is MY List Drew Richards List of OWS Demands. |
Drew Richards |
Nov-03-11 10:16 PM |
#128 |
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Drew, this is a wonderful list. Are you close to any particular |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:42 PM |
#131 |
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I am close to the Occupy Washington group but |
Drew Richards |
Nov-04-11 12:08 AM |
#138 |
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Take note of the people crapping on the moment. They are part of the problem. |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-03-11 11:57 PM |
#136 |
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this is how it starts, isn't it? Where do you draw the line for supporters? |
bigtree |
Nov-04-11 10:09 AM |
#146 |
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I'm sorry, but the Occupy Movement should focus on the corporate - political corruption |
AZ Progressive |
Nov-04-11 03:40 AM |
#142 |
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Great list. Please post separately to get feedback. |
flamingdem |
Nov-04-11 09:47 AM |
#144 |
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Wonderful list and welcome to DU! Are you anywhere near a |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-04-11 10:08 AM |
#145 |
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THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
nedbojo |
Nov-06-11 02:18 PM |
#147 |
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NOT APPROVED |
xuzi |
Nov-06-11 02:37 PM |
#148 |
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i like the list..great place to start..nt |
xiamiam |
Nov-06-11 03:02 PM |
#149 |
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