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98. Yeah, #4 makes me a little uneasy too. Again, this is a preliminary
list of demands and not a finalized set of proposals for deliberation and a vote up or down.

But see #5 for a possible compromise position.

I think the impetus behind #4 and #5 is that the situation with the popping real estate bubble and the concomitant recession is so FUBAR that no one should be thrown out a home until the social contract is tweaked significantly. But now I've exceeded my warrant, as I do not know the motives of those promulgating the demands.
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  -Occupy Los Angeles' Demands and Objectives Committee releases 8 preliminary demands. List below: coalition_unwilling  Nov-03-11 11:17 AM   #0 
  - Don't Understand 7 - Isnt that a Tea Party Talking Point?  NeedleCast   Nov-03-11 11:20 AM   #1 
  - Many liberals want to end the fed too  abelenkpe   Nov-03-11 11:23 AM   #4 
  - Many of the people calling for an end to the Fed offer no explanation  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 11:31 AM   #6 
  - JFK wanted to abolish the Fed.  Xithras   Nov-03-11 12:09 PM   #12 
     - EO11110 bought Kennedy an eternal flame. nt  NorthCarolina   Nov-03-11 12:25 PM   #28 
     - Thank you for that explanation.  Matariki   Nov-03-11 12:56 PM   #43 
     - Thank you for that detailed explanation. This is why I said the  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 09:52 PM   #127 
  - There are issues the 99% and the real Tea Partiers, not the racist hangers on, agree on.  cui bono   Nov-03-11 12:49 PM   #40 
  - I totally disagree. The teaparty is responsible for supporting Bush tax cuts, ending social program  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 03:34 PM   #88 
     - And Obama is responsible for extending the Bush tax cuts.  cui bono   Nov-03-11 03:55 PM   #94 
  - yes. beware those who want a coalition w teaparty / ron paulists nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 03:36 PM   #89 
  - Totally agree.  abelenkpe   Nov-03-11 11:20 AM   #2 
  - Great! I'm glad that they're starting to come up with a platform for legislative action.  Cant trust em   Nov-03-11 11:22 AM   #3 
  - I agree. Just so folks have a little better sense of next steps, the  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 11:37 AM   #8 
     - Dont' you get that this list will make them look ridiculous? End the FED Nice fringey Ron Paul goal  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 12:16 PM   #15 
        - End the fed is as American as apple pie  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 12:20 PM   #24 
        - This is not a goal of the people who are angry about economic injustic - this is fringe  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 12:27 PM   #30 
           - Well then I guess we should not reform the system.  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 12:30 PM   #33 
        - In Occupy Los Angeles, there are many Ron Paul supporters  Cronus Protagonist   Nov-03-11 01:12 PM   #44 
        - True, but the saving grace of OLA is that it uses 100% consensus.  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:15 PM   #48 
           - I, for one, am glad for that as these Ron Paulers make me cringe  Cronus Protagonist   Nov-03-11 02:32 PM   #56 
              - Anyone asking you for donations has not been authorized by the  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:47 PM   #66 
                 - When I was there on Saturday, a young guy came to me with a bucket for money  Cronus Protagonist   Nov-03-11 03:00 PM   #71 
                    - Locals have set an actual donation page  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 03:04 PM   #74 
                    - I'm glad you did not contribute any $$ to this non-authorized (and  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 03:07 PM   #75 
        - OK, this is a set of 'preliminary demands' not a finalized set by  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:11 PM   #47 
  - I would have suspected a reference to ending the current unfair tax rates.  KansDem   Nov-03-11 11:28 AM   #5 
  - Agreed. I wish to reiterate that this is a list of 'preliminary' demands and  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 11:48 AM   #9 
  - Los Angeles is the most populous city in California  snooper2   Nov-03-11 11:36 AM   #7 
  - Thanks for the tourism bullet points. Do you have any ideas  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 11:49 AM   #10 
  - Randy Newman has also declared his love for it in song n/t  RZM   Nov-03-11 06:21 PM   #119 
  - Here in Va  rjj621   Nov-03-11 12:08 PM   #11 
  - Again, wish to stress that this is a list of 'perliminary' demands. None  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:18 PM   #49 
     - Much of the Patriot Act was a knee jerk reaction and seriously  rjj621   Nov-03-11 05:06 PM   #106 
        - Thanks for your observations. I will try to make sure they are shared  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 05:44 PM   #112 
  - I don't see much that will solve the problems caused by this economy.  county worker   Nov-03-11 12:13 PM   #13 
  - I have gradually acquired confidence in the consensus model  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 11:46 PM   #132 
  - Wow. Not well done. Shows that the Ron Paul gang is involved and it's fringey  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 12:13 PM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-03-11 12:17 PM   #17 
  - It's not THE POINT of this movement! They need to focus on jobs and economic injustice!! nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 12:20 PM   #23 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-03-11 12:33 PM   #35 
        - To bad those who were are so out to lunch nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 02:30 PM   #55 
  - +1  redqueen   Nov-03-11 12:18 PM   #19 
  - -1  RegieRocker   Nov-03-11 12:19 PM   #22 
  - If there is a moratorium on all foreclosures why would you need #5?  TBF   Nov-03-11 12:16 PM   #16 
  - There can never be a moratorium on all foreclosures  slackmaster   Nov-03-11 12:19 PM   #20 
  - How do you feel about worldwide socialism as a "realistic goal" -  TBF   Nov-03-11 12:22 PM   #25 
     - Most countries in the world have some degree of socialism  slackmaster   Nov-03-11 12:52 PM   #41 
        - A moratorium is a legal delay - not an invalidation. nt  TBF   Nov-03-11 03:49 PM   #93 
           - Don't bother parsing...he's too busy shilling.  U4ikLefty   Nov-03-11 11:47 PM   #133 
  - I agree there is some slippage between the demands on this list. It is,  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:23 PM   #50 
     - It's an unrealistic MESS. That will not contribute to broadening the movement, + has no focus nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 02:30 PM   #54 
        - A specific measure calling for the LA Sherriff's to discontinue  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:43 PM   #62 
           - It's unlikely to happen. As for diverting $ you can see where we are in congress  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 02:46 PM   #64 
              - I think your sentiments can be rightly charactrerized right now as  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:53 PM   #70 
  - I strongly oppose #5!  slackmaster   Nov-03-11 12:18 PM   #18 
  - This thread seems to be getting unrec'd....  AntiFascist   Nov-03-11 12:19 PM   #21 
  - The OP is not a fail, but the list is a fail and a bad omen for the movement, imo  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 12:23 PM   #26 
  - I see social and Econ justice there  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 12:27 PM   #31 
  - Ron Paul is a right wing racist demagog. Ending the Fed is not going to happen  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 12:34 PM   #37 
     - We know things are exactly as they ever was  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 12:38 PM   #39 
  - So, anyone who opposes the Fed is automatically a Ron Paul supporter?  AntiFascist   Nov-03-11 12:29 PM   #32 
  - The Fed is not going to be ended. This is fairy dust stuff and fringe nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 12:32 PM   #34 
     - It's only "fringe" because you let them define it as such.  Xithras   Nov-03-11 01:42 PM   #46 
        - I think 1% of the US population favors ending the Fed. 90% don't know anything about it nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 02:29 PM   #53 
           - You're out of touch.  girl gone mad   Nov-04-11 04:21 AM   #143 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-03-11 01:15 PM   #45 
  - Whew! Glad I'm not a fail :) I actually think the list is proof that  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:28 PM   #52 
  - Why would #1 cause unrec?  rjj621   Nov-03-11 12:26 PM   #29 
  - The answer to your question should be obvious...  AntiFascist   Nov-03-11 12:34 PM   #36 
  - Hell, I thought I was providing a public service in publishing the  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 03:14 PM   #83 
  - Nothing will start until eight happens.  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 12:23 PM   #27 
  - Looks to me like a lot of tagalongs who don't understand  Zorra   Nov-03-11 12:35 PM   #38 
  - Hunh? This list has nothing - ZERO - to do with the General  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:33 PM   #57 
     - Good, I'm really glad! My mistake, Thanks.  Zorra   Nov-03-11 04:56 PM   #103 
  - I wish I could be enthusiastic about this list since I'm coming home to L.A. soon...  cui bono   Nov-03-11 12:54 PM   #42 
  - I agree. I wanted to be a part of it but not if they continue with those demands  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 02:27 PM   #51 
  - Do you live in a city with an Occupy encampment? I ask, b/c I think  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:40 PM   #59 
     - Real Democracy is not a grouping of fringe interest organizations nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 02:50 PM   #68 
        - "...fringe..."  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-03-11 03:09 PM   #78 
        - One thing to realize  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 03:16 PM   #84 
        - Answer the question. Do you live in a city with an Occupy encampment?  U4ikLefty   Nov-03-11 11:51 PM   #134 
  - I've said this many times already. This is a 'preliminary list' of  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 02:38 PM   #58 
     - It sounds like OccupyLA has too many special interest political groups  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 02:42 PM   #61 
     - Good bye then  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 02:45 PM   #63 
     - Sorry. Poor response from you. I'm not "scared" just critical, who can't handle it? nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 02:47 PM   #65 
        - I know who can't  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 02:50 PM   #69 
           - I'm unhappy with LA  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 03:02 PM   #73 
              - Alas they are part of the 99%  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 03:07 PM   #76 
              - Ron Paul represents the 1% - Rand Paul is Mr. Teaparty  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 03:14 PM   #82 
                 - But the supporters are like family of mine  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 03:20 PM   #86 
              - A serious question for you: would you deny the Ron Paul  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 03:09 PM   #79 
                 - Yes I would deny the Ron Paul supporters a voice. Ron Paul is a racist demagog  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 03:12 PM   #81 
                    - But Ron Paul's supporters (for the most part) are part of the  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 03:17 PM   #85 
                       - Be my guest making nice with the teaparty while you're at it nt  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 03:33 PM   #87 
                       - they are political manipulator's - do you want to repeat mistakes of the left?  flamingdem   Nov-03-11 03:39 PM   #91 
                          - I'm sorry to say that, despite your screen name, you are profoundly  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 04:23 PM   #95 
     - If you don't see "economic justice" in most of those demands --  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-03-11 03:11 PM   #80 
     - I will be down there for sure! I'm working in NYC right now and have  cui bono   Nov-03-11 02:48 PM   #67 
        - I do apologize for the 'FFS' - think I was reacting to your use of  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 05:58 PM   #116 
           - No problem, thanks for the post. I apologize if my criticism got you down.  cui bono   Nov-03-11 07:57 PM   #120 
  - Great list.  JDPriestly   Nov-03-11 02:42 PM   #60 
  - A DUer upthread said there were portions of the Patriot Act he  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 04:35 PM   #96 
     - FISA except been abused.  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 05:06 PM   #105 
  - Reaction  TygrBright   Nov-03-11 03:02 PM   #72 
  - I agree that #5 is the most specific and therefore the easiest to  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 04:40 PM   #97 
     - I'm not "advocating" anything. I'm pointing out that the "poverty draft" EXISTS, and  TygrBright   Nov-03-11 04:54 PM   #102 
        - Got it. I think I misconstrued your original post a bit. Definitely  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 05:33 PM   #109 
  - Disagree on # 4  Pigheaded   Nov-03-11 03:09 PM   #77 
  - Yeah, #4 makes me a little uneasy too. Again, this is a preliminary  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 04:43 PM   #98 
  - people can walk away..but they want to stay...and no one is helping them do that  xiamiam   Nov-06-11 03:05 PM   #150 
  - It's a start  loyalsister   Nov-03-11 03:37 PM   #90 
  - I share your opinion about #7 and will hard block if I have to, in order  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 04:47 PM   #100 
  - good move  bigtree   Nov-03-11 03:40 PM   #92 
  - Yes. I published the OP here today to give people something to  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 04:49 PM   #101 
  - This is the first time I've heard of the National Security Act and I don't really undestand  Fire Walk With Me   Nov-03-11 04:47 PM   #99 
  - Repeal the fed?  Drew Richards   Nov-03-11 05:01 PM   #104 
  - Preliminary list. Think of this as bill  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 05:07 PM   #107 
  - Then git yer ass down to an Occupy --  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-03-11 05:20 PM   #108 
  - I concur and do so the extent that I am willing to hard block any  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 05:40 PM   #110 
  - I'm glad #1 is #1.  rug   Nov-03-11 05:42 PM   #111 
  - That makes two of us! - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 05:45 PM   #113 
  - Ending the Drug war  GreenArrow   Nov-03-11 05:52 PM   #114 
  - You know, now that you mention it, I honestly do not know. I am  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 08:44 PM   #121 
     - My pleasure! n/t  GreenArrow   Nov-03-11 09:48 PM   #126 
  - Get Rid of #5  Sgent   Nov-03-11 05:53 PM   #115 
  - This list is naive in the extreme.  Luminous Animal   Nov-03-11 06:08 PM   #117 
  - I find naivete is part of the Occupy Movement's strength. It starts  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 09:37 PM   #122 
     - You may not be appealing to anyone but, in order for demands to addressed, there must be  Luminous Animal   Nov-03-11 11:54 PM   #135 
        - I take your point for sure (that demands should come out of a shared  coalition_unwilling   Nov-04-11 12:07 AM   #137 
           - I am aware of that list and I think it is great and a wonderful jumping point for  Luminous Animal   Nov-04-11 12:22 AM   #139 
              - I'm going to try to put in an appearance at D&O this coming  coalition_unwilling   Nov-04-11 12:35 AM   #140 
                 - Thank you for the discussion. I really appreciate what you do here on DU and your  Luminous Animal   Nov-04-11 12:56 AM   #141 
  - You asked...  redgiant   Nov-03-11 06:12 PM   #118 
  - Oy vey. Did you bother to read the responses that came before  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 09:40 PM   #123 
  - Why?  redgiant   Nov-03-11 10:34 PM   #129 
     - I give up. Welcome to my Ignore list - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 11:39 PM   #130 
  - dont take any of your assumptions to the bank..we are in a new time  xiamiam   Nov-06-11 03:10 PM   #151 
  - Public financing of elections..  We are Devo   Nov-03-11 09:42 PM   #124 
  - I'll make sure it is passed along. Think it may be subsumed somewhat  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 09:45 PM   #125 
  - OK here is MY List Drew Richards List of OWS Demands.  Drew Richards   Nov-03-11 10:16 PM   #128 
  - Drew, this is a wonderful list. Are you close to any particular  coalition_unwilling   Nov-03-11 11:42 PM   #131 
     - I am close to the Occupy Washington group but  Drew Richards   Nov-04-11 12:08 AM   #138 
  - Take note of the people crapping on the moment. They are part of the problem.  U4ikLefty   Nov-03-11 11:57 PM   #136 
  - this is how it starts, isn't it? Where do you draw the line for supporters?  bigtree   Nov-04-11 10:09 AM   #146 
  - I'm sorry, but the Occupy Movement should focus on the corporate - political corruption  AZ Progressive   Nov-04-11 03:40 AM   #142 
  - Great list. Please post separately to get feedback.  flamingdem   Nov-04-11 09:47 AM   #144 
  - Wonderful list and welcome to DU! Are you anywhere near a  coalition_unwilling   Nov-04-11 10:08 AM   #145 
  - THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  nedbojo   Nov-06-11 02:18 PM   #147 
  - NOT APPROVED  xuzi   Nov-06-11 02:37 PM   #148 
  - i like the list..great place to start..nt  xiamiam   Nov-06-11 03:02 PM   #149 
 

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