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Thu Nov-03-11 12:27 PM
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| 30. This is not a goal of the people who are angry about economic injustic - this is fringe |
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and makes this list sound unrealistic and unfocused
Someone has to acknowledge what is effective and what is not.
This kind of list tells me OWS is in Woo Woo and not going to be relevant to the political scene for long
sadly
I hope other occupy groups have smarter folks at the helm
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| -Occupy Los Angeles' Demands and Objectives Committee releases 8 preliminary demands. List below: |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:17 AM |
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Don't Understand 7 - Isnt that a Tea Party Talking Point? |
NeedleCast |
Nov-03-11 11:20 AM |
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Many liberals want to end the fed too |
abelenkpe |
Nov-03-11 11:23 AM |
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Many of the people calling for an end to the Fed offer no explanation |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:31 AM |
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JFK wanted to abolish the Fed. |
Xithras |
Nov-03-11 12:09 PM |
#12 |
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EO11110 bought Kennedy an eternal flame. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-03-11 12:25 PM |
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Thank you for that explanation. |
Matariki |
Nov-03-11 12:56 PM |
#43 |
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Thank you for that detailed explanation. This is why I said the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 09:52 PM |
#127 |
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There are issues the 99% and the real Tea Partiers, not the racist hangers on, agree on. |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 12:49 PM |
#40 |
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I totally disagree. The teaparty is responsible for supporting Bush tax cuts, ending social program |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:34 PM |
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And Obama is responsible for extending the Bush tax cuts. |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 03:55 PM |
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yes. beware those who want a coalition w teaparty / ron paulists nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:36 PM |
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Totally agree. |
abelenkpe |
Nov-03-11 11:20 AM |
#2 |
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Great! I'm glad that they're starting to come up with a platform for legislative action. |
Cant trust em |
Nov-03-11 11:22 AM |
#3 |
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I agree. Just so folks have a little better sense of next steps, the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:37 AM |
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Dont' you get that this list will make them look ridiculous? End the FED Nice fringey Ron Paul goal |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:16 PM |
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End the fed is as American as apple pie |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:20 PM |
#24 |
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This is not a goal of the people who are angry about economic injustic - this is fringe |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:27 PM |
#30 |
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Well then I guess we should not reform the system. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:30 PM |
#33 |
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In Occupy Los Angeles, there are many Ron Paul supporters |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-03-11 01:12 PM |
#44 |
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True, but the saving grace of OLA is that it uses 100% consensus. |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:15 PM |
#48 |
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I, for one, am glad for that as these Ron Paulers make me cringe |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-03-11 02:32 PM |
#56 |
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Anyone asking you for donations has not been authorized by the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:47 PM |
#66 |
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When I was there on Saturday, a young guy came to me with a bucket for money |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-03-11 03:00 PM |
#71 |
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Locals have set an actual donation page |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 03:04 PM |
#74 |
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I'm glad you did not contribute any $$ to this non-authorized (and |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 03:07 PM |
#75 |
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OK, this is a set of 'preliminary demands' not a finalized set by |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:11 PM |
#47 |
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I would have suspected a reference to ending the current unfair tax rates. |
KansDem |
Nov-03-11 11:28 AM |
#5 |
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Agreed. I wish to reiterate that this is a list of 'preliminary' demands and |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:48 AM |
#9 |
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Los Angeles is the most populous city in California |
snooper2 |
Nov-03-11 11:36 AM |
#7 |
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Thanks for the tourism bullet points. Do you have any ideas |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:49 AM |
#10 |
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Randy Newman has also declared his love for it in song n/t |
RZM |
Nov-03-11 06:21 PM |
#119 |
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Here in Va |
rjj621 |
Nov-03-11 12:08 PM |
#11 |
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Again, wish to stress that this is a list of 'perliminary' demands. None |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:18 PM |
#49 |
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Much of the Patriot Act was a knee jerk reaction and seriously |
rjj621 |
Nov-03-11 05:06 PM |
#106 |
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Thanks for your observations. I will try to make sure they are shared |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:44 PM |
#112 |
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I don't see much that will solve the problems caused by this economy. |
county worker |
Nov-03-11 12:13 PM |
#13 |
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I have gradually acquired confidence in the consensus model |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:46 PM |
#132 |
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Wow. Not well done. Shows that the Ron Paul gang is involved and it's fringey |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:13 PM |
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Nov-03-11 12:17 PM |
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It's not THE POINT of this movement! They need to focus on jobs and economic injustice!! nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:20 PM |
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Nov-03-11 12:33 PM |
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To bad those who were are so out to lunch nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:30 PM |
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+1 |
redqueen |
Nov-03-11 12:18 PM |
#19 |
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-1 |
RegieRocker |
Nov-03-11 12:19 PM |
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If there is a moratorium on all foreclosures why would you need #5? |
TBF |
Nov-03-11 12:16 PM |
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There can never be a moratorium on all foreclosures |
slackmaster |
Nov-03-11 12:19 PM |
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How do you feel about worldwide socialism as a "realistic goal" - |
TBF |
Nov-03-11 12:22 PM |
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Most countries in the world have some degree of socialism |
slackmaster |
Nov-03-11 12:52 PM |
#41 |
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A moratorium is a legal delay - not an invalidation. nt |
TBF |
Nov-03-11 03:49 PM |
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Don't bother parsing...he's too busy shilling. |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-03-11 11:47 PM |
#133 |
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I agree there is some slippage between the demands on this list. It is, |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:23 PM |
#50 |
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It's an unrealistic MESS. That will not contribute to broadening the movement, + has no focus nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:30 PM |
#54 |
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A specific measure calling for the LA Sherriff's to discontinue |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:43 PM |
#62 |
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It's unlikely to happen. As for diverting $ you can see where we are in congress |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:46 PM |
#64 |
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I think your sentiments can be rightly charactrerized right now as |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:53 PM |
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I strongly oppose #5! |
slackmaster |
Nov-03-11 12:18 PM |
#18 |
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This thread seems to be getting unrec'd.... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-03-11 12:19 PM |
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The OP is not a fail, but the list is a fail and a bad omen for the movement, imo |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:23 PM |
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I see social and Econ justice there |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:27 PM |
#31 |
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Ron Paul is a right wing racist demagog. Ending the Fed is not going to happen |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:34 PM |
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We know things are exactly as they ever was |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:38 PM |
#39 |
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So, anyone who opposes the Fed is automatically a Ron Paul supporter? |
AntiFascist |
Nov-03-11 12:29 PM |
#32 |
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The Fed is not going to be ended. This is fairy dust stuff and fringe nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 12:32 PM |
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It's only "fringe" because you let them define it as such. |
Xithras |
Nov-03-11 01:42 PM |
#46 |
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I think 1% of the US population favors ending the Fed. 90% don't know anything about it nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:29 PM |
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You're out of touch. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-04-11 04:21 AM |
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Nov-03-11 01:15 PM |
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Whew! Glad I'm not a fail :) I actually think the list is proof that |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:28 PM |
#52 |
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Why would #1 cause unrec? |
rjj621 |
Nov-03-11 12:26 PM |
#29 |
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The answer to your question should be obvious... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-03-11 12:34 PM |
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Hell, I thought I was providing a public service in publishing the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 03:14 PM |
#83 |
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Nothing will start until eight happens. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 12:23 PM |
#27 |
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Looks to me like a lot of tagalongs who don't understand |
Zorra |
Nov-03-11 12:35 PM |
#38 |
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Hunh? This list has nothing - ZERO - to do with the General |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:33 PM |
#57 |
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Good, I'm really glad! My mistake, Thanks. |
Zorra |
Nov-03-11 04:56 PM |
#103 |
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I wish I could be enthusiastic about this list since I'm coming home to L.A. soon... |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 12:54 PM |
#42 |
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I agree. I wanted to be a part of it but not if they continue with those demands |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:27 PM |
#51 |
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Do you live in a city with an Occupy encampment? I ask, b/c I think |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:40 PM |
#59 |
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Real Democracy is not a grouping of fringe interest organizations nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:50 PM |
#68 |
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"...fringe..." |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-03-11 03:09 PM |
#78 |
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One thing to realize |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:16 PM |
#84 |
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Answer the question. Do you live in a city with an Occupy encampment? |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-03-11 11:51 PM |
#134 |
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I've said this many times already. This is a 'preliminary list' of |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 02:38 PM |
#58 |
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It sounds like OccupyLA has too many special interest political groups |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:42 PM |
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Good bye then |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 02:45 PM |
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Sorry. Poor response from you. I'm not "scared" just critical, who can't handle it? nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 02:47 PM |
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I know who can't |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 02:50 PM |
#69 |
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I'm unhappy with LA |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:02 PM |
#73 |
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Alas they are part of the 99% |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 03:07 PM |
#76 |
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Ron Paul represents the 1% - Rand Paul is Mr. Teaparty |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:14 PM |
#82 |
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But the supporters are like family of mine |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 03:20 PM |
#86 |
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A serious question for you: would you deny the Ron Paul |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 03:09 PM |
#79 |
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Yes I would deny the Ron Paul supporters a voice. Ron Paul is a racist demagog |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:12 PM |
#81 |
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But Ron Paul's supporters (for the most part) are part of the |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 03:17 PM |
#85 |
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Be my guest making nice with the teaparty while you're at it nt |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:33 PM |
#87 |
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they are political manipulator's - do you want to repeat mistakes of the left? |
flamingdem |
Nov-03-11 03:39 PM |
#91 |
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I'm sorry to say that, despite your screen name, you are profoundly |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:23 PM |
#95 |
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If you don't see "economic justice" in most of those demands -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-03-11 03:11 PM |
#80 |
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I will be down there for sure! I'm working in NYC right now and have |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 02:48 PM |
#67 |
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I do apologize for the 'FFS' - think I was reacting to your use of |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:58 PM |
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No problem, thanks for the post. I apologize if my criticism got you down. |
cui bono |
Nov-03-11 07:57 PM |
#120 |
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Great list. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-03-11 02:42 PM |
#60 |
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A DUer upthread said there were portions of the Patriot Act he |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:35 PM |
#96 |
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FISA except been abused. |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 05:06 PM |
#105 |
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Reaction |
TygrBright |
Nov-03-11 03:02 PM |
#72 |
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I agree that #5 is the most specific and therefore the easiest to |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:40 PM |
#97 |
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I'm not "advocating" anything. I'm pointing out that the "poverty draft" EXISTS, and |
TygrBright |
Nov-03-11 04:54 PM |
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Got it. I think I misconstrued your original post a bit. Definitely |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:33 PM |
#109 |
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Disagree on # 4 |
Pigheaded |
Nov-03-11 03:09 PM |
#77 |
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Yeah, #4 makes me a little uneasy too. Again, this is a preliminary |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:43 PM |
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people can walk away..but they want to stay...and no one is helping them do that |
xiamiam |
Nov-06-11 03:05 PM |
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It's a start |
loyalsister |
Nov-03-11 03:37 PM |
#90 |
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I share your opinion about #7 and will hard block if I have to, in order |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:47 PM |
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good move |
bigtree |
Nov-03-11 03:40 PM |
#92 |
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Yes. I published the OP here today to give people something to |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 04:49 PM |
#101 |
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This is the first time I've heard of the National Security Act and I don't really undestand |
Fire Walk With Me |
Nov-03-11 04:47 PM |
#99 |
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Repeal the fed? |
Drew Richards |
Nov-03-11 05:01 PM |
#104 |
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Preliminary list. Think of this as bill |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-03-11 05:07 PM |
#107 |
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Then git yer ass down to an Occupy -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-03-11 05:20 PM |
#108 |
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I concur and do so the extent that I am willing to hard block any |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:40 PM |
#110 |
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I'm glad #1 is #1. |
rug |
Nov-03-11 05:42 PM |
#111 |
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That makes two of us! - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 05:45 PM |
#113 |
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Ending the Drug war |
GreenArrow |
Nov-03-11 05:52 PM |
#114 |
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You know, now that you mention it, I honestly do not know. I am |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 08:44 PM |
#121 |
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My pleasure! n/t |
GreenArrow |
Nov-03-11 09:48 PM |
#126 |
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Get Rid of #5 |
Sgent |
Nov-03-11 05:53 PM |
#115 |
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This list is naive in the extreme. |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-03-11 06:08 PM |
#117 |
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I find naivete is part of the Occupy Movement's strength. It starts |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 09:37 PM |
#122 |
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You may not be appealing to anyone but, in order for demands to addressed, there must be |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-03-11 11:54 PM |
#135 |
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I take your point for sure (that demands should come out of a shared |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-04-11 12:07 AM |
#137 |
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I am aware of that list and I think it is great and a wonderful jumping point for |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-04-11 12:22 AM |
#139 |
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I'm going to try to put in an appearance at D&O this coming |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-04-11 12:35 AM |
#140 |
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Thank you for the discussion. I really appreciate what you do here on DU and your |
Luminous Animal |
Nov-04-11 12:56 AM |
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You asked... |
redgiant |
Nov-03-11 06:12 PM |
#118 |
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Oy vey. Did you bother to read the responses that came before |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 09:40 PM |
#123 |
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Why? |
redgiant |
Nov-03-11 10:34 PM |
#129 |
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I give up. Welcome to my Ignore list - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:39 PM |
#130 |
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dont take any of your assumptions to the bank..we are in a new time |
xiamiam |
Nov-06-11 03:10 PM |
#151 |
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Public financing of elections.. |
We are Devo |
Nov-03-11 09:42 PM |
#124 |
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I'll make sure it is passed along. Think it may be subsumed somewhat |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 09:45 PM |
#125 |
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OK here is MY List Drew Richards List of OWS Demands. |
Drew Richards |
Nov-03-11 10:16 PM |
#128 |
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Drew, this is a wonderful list. Are you close to any particular |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-03-11 11:42 PM |
#131 |
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I am close to the Occupy Washington group but |
Drew Richards |
Nov-04-11 12:08 AM |
#138 |
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Take note of the people crapping on the moment. They are part of the problem. |
U4ikLefty |
Nov-03-11 11:57 PM |
#136 |
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this is how it starts, isn't it? Where do you draw the line for supporters? |
bigtree |
Nov-04-11 10:09 AM |
#146 |
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I'm sorry, but the Occupy Movement should focus on the corporate - political corruption |
AZ Progressive |
Nov-04-11 03:40 AM |
#142 |
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Great list. Please post separately to get feedback. |
flamingdem |
Nov-04-11 09:47 AM |
#144 |
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Wonderful list and welcome to DU! Are you anywhere near a |
coalition_unwilling |
Nov-04-11 10:08 AM |
#145 |
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THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
nedbojo |
Nov-06-11 02:18 PM |
#147 |
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NOT APPROVED |
xuzi |
Nov-06-11 02:37 PM |
#148 |
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i like the list..great place to start..nt |
xiamiam |
Nov-06-11 03:02 PM |
#149 |
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