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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 10:37 PM
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5. Incorrect
I worked with Black Bloc in San Francisco, 1998-1999. They are not provocateurs, as much as the liberals on this board try to claim that they are. They actually genuinely believe in the tactics, and they are not necessarily incorrect. In some cases, it doesn't work at all, and many people who deploy black bloc tactics themselves understand that and go with the consensus. In other cases, it does serve to provoke the authorities into action, which they consider useful and strategically justifiable for a number of reasons. In some cases, I agree. In other cases, no. In this case, I would tend to argue against these tactics because other tactics are actually working well. In Seattle in 1999, the Black Bloc tactics were successful (and anybody who claims they weren't doesn't know much about how it unfolded). There is an argument to be made for defamiliarizing the everyday spaces of capital, for carving out temporary zones where capital is not in complete control of of everyday space. The temporary autonomous zone, and etc.

I know a lot of you liberals automatically assume that Black Bloc protest tactics are agent provocateurs, but you really couldn't be more wrong. They simply disagree with you on strategy and tactics. In some cases, you are right. In some cases (Seattle especially), they are.
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  -Black bloc Oakland protesters vandalize banks nadinbrzezinski  Nov-02-11 10:18 PM   #0 
  - I really wish they hadn't done that, but the anger in Oakland is understandable.  DCKit   Nov-02-11 10:22 PM   #1 
  - Oh blac bloc are not with you  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-02-11 10:24 PM   #2 
     - Thanks for the heads-up. nt  DCKit   Nov-02-11 10:37 PM   #6 
  - I'm reading that "black bloc" is a tactic, not a group.  dkf   Nov-02-11 10:28 PM   #3 
  - It's evolved...  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-02-11 10:29 PM   #4 
     - Incorrect  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-02-11 10:37 PM   #5 
        - Well when one is caught with a gun and badge  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-02-11 10:38 PM   #7 
        - It's a common slander  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-02-11 10:52 PM   #11 
           - When it happens we will reengage in this discussion  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-02-11 10:59 PM   #12 
           - Oh yes  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-02-11 11:10 PM   #13 
              - So you think police will never ever do this  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-02-11 11:11 PM   #14 
                 - What part of  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-02-11 11:19 PM   #15 
                    - When it is sop for police intel units to penetrate movements...  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-02-11 11:31 PM   #16 
           - it's not a slander, there are numerous documented cases in the last 10 years alone.  Laluchacontinua   Nov-03-11 01:36 PM   #19 
        - And in some cases, they're cops.  Laluchacontinua   Nov-02-11 11:52 PM   #17 
           - Welcome to du  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-02-11 11:53 PM   #18 
  - Whole Foods and Christ the Light Cathedral are both about a  mulsh   Nov-02-11 10:45 PM   #8 
  - Sounds like someone had an agenda.  dkf   Nov-02-11 10:52 PM   #10 
  - This is not the way to do it.  emilyg   Nov-02-11 10:50 PM   #9 
  - I was there  dana_b   Nov-03-11 01:48 PM   #20 
  - I was thinking of you while doing live blogging here  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 01:49 PM   #21 
     - thanks  dana_b   Nov-03-11 01:51 PM   #22 
  - Oh! There is a "Occupy Oakland Cleanup today" on FB:  dana_b   Nov-03-11 01:54 PM   #23 
     - Good.  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-03-11 01:56 PM   #24 
     - +1000 for the Occupy Oakland Cleanup people!  LongTomH   Nov-03-11 02:01 PM   #25 

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