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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 09:53 AM
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12. There is more to the story...
If anything this was a financing position (or liquidity trade) — not a bet on the future direction of the bonds themselves.

What’s more, if executed properly the trade should — at least on paper – have posed little or no risk.

The maths was simple enough. You account for the cost of borrowing funds using the bonds in question as collateral (the repo rate) versus the ultimate coupon payments received from the very same bonds.

This is because  in dysfunctional markets the repo rate can be out of kilter with the ultimate returns of the bond itself. This is especially the case if there are more counterparties willing to provide short-term liquidity in return for rates that beat the nominal risk-free return.  In other words to act as pawnbrokers to the market. Alternatively, if you have a good credit standing in the market you may be able to achieve a more favourable repo rate than others.

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2011/10/31/717181/mf-gl... /

--the trade fell apart
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  - Jon Corzine was a key fundraiser since July for Pres. Obama, possible Geithner replacement. dixiegrrrrl  Nov-01-11 09:24 AM   #0 
  - This is not good.  dkf   Nov-01-11 09:28 AM   #1 
  - AND MF was just added to the primary dealer rank last year.  dixiegrrrrl   Nov-01-11 09:40 AM   #5 
     - Whoa. I bet Obama is sick over this.  dkf   Nov-01-11 09:47 AM   #10 
     - What was Obama thinking in the first place  dbackjon   Nov-01-11 12:05 PM   #25 
     - Do you know much about the Repo to maturity trade?  dkf   Nov-01-11 10:07 AM   #14 
        - What seems to have happened, from what I am reading this am, is  dixiegrrrrl   Nov-01-11 10:19 AM   #16 
           - Well I thought CDS were bad enough, but look at what they are doing now to complexity.  dkf   Nov-01-11 10:36 AM   #19 
  - Corzine is a decent guy - MF is defunct due to his purchase of Euro-bonds  banned from Kos   Nov-01-11 09:29 AM   #2 
  - Corzine is a decent guy  Hotler   Nov-01-11 09:31 AM   #3 
  - yeah - he screwed up and trusted the PIGS. Now his career is finished  banned from Kos   Nov-01-11 09:40 AM   #6 
  - There are some very real questions that customer funds were intermingled with the companies /nt  still_one   Nov-01-11 09:45 AM   #8 
  - yeah - I mentioned that there are accounting issues  banned from Kos   Nov-01-11 09:49 AM   #11 
  - Decent = A (D) next to his name  TheKentuckian   Nov-01-11 09:45 AM   #9 
  - There is more to the story...  dkf   Nov-01-11 09:53 AM   #12 
  - Wrong - he has always been corrupt slime  dbackjon   Nov-01-11 12:06 PM   #26 
  - Decent guys don't risk vanilla client money..  girl gone mad   Nov-01-11 12:22 PM   #28 
  - This is another of the Dem Wall Streeter  mazzarro   Nov-01-11 09:38 AM   #4 
  - Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.  rug   Nov-01-11 09:41 AM   #7 
  - We have a serious case of flea INFESTATION.  Huey P. Long   Nov-01-11 10:44 AM   #20 
  - Here be the implications of what comes next  dixiegrrrrl   Nov-01-11 10:03 AM   #13 
  - the Doomers at ZeroHedge have been wrong for 2.5 years  banned from Kos   Nov-01-11 10:09 AM   #15 
     - Many folks here don't have enough money to gamble on trading to visit ZH...  KoKo   Nov-01-11 07:27 PM   #34 
  - Secret meetings, meet-and-greets with key finance industry execs,  redqueen   Nov-01-11 10:20 AM   #17 
  - There's a reason Goldman Sachs is above the law.  Octafish   Nov-01-11 10:24 AM   #18 
  - That's the connection that stood out for me as well  suffragette   Nov-01-11 11:23 AM   #21 
     - What a coincidence.  Octafish   Nov-01-11 11:58 AM   #23 
        - Very cozy connections  suffragette   Nov-01-11 01:04 PM   #29 
           - Notice his first move..  girl gone mad   Nov-01-11 03:13 PM   #31 
              - Agree, it must end.  suffragette   Nov-01-11 06:50 PM   #32 
  - But...but...oh, nevermind.  Safetykitten   Nov-01-11 11:28 AM   #22 
  - Corzine has always been corrupt  dbackjon   Nov-01-11 12:05 PM   #24 
  - Says who? on what basis?  banned from Kos   Nov-01-11 12:14 PM   #27 
  - You'd have to give a few examples, though...to be believable here.  KoKo   Nov-01-11 07:34 PM   #36 
  - Fat-cats + politicians = Our government  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-01-11 01:07 PM   #30 
  - Yes.....that's amazing if one thinks about it. CNBC says DOJ and FBI are Investigating  KoKo   Nov-01-11 07:24 PM   #33 
  - From the article, Obama claimed that Corzine was "his man on Wall Street"  KoKo   Nov-01-11 07:30 PM   #35 
  - I once heard Obama make the ludicrous claim ...  GeorgeGist   Nov-01-11 10:31 PM   #37 
 

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