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Wed Jan-19-11 05:33 AM
Response to Reply #68 |
| 85. I agree with most of what you say, however, I believe that 'something' |
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Edited on Wed Jan-19-11 05:39 AM by snappyturtle
happens to those elected to the Presidency once they take office. Whoever the Powers that Be are intervene and the agenda and campaign promises morph or are reversed. I cannot wrap my head around that what the President campaigned for and what is ensuing were out and out lies just to get elected. I, of course, may be wrong and unfortunately, the outcome remains the same. I also think that President Obama will be a one termer. imho edit: Just read this post....it explains my position better than I did: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... |
| -RAW Exclusive - Sen Sanders: Obama May CUT SOCIAL SECURITY |
Segami |
Jan-18-11 08:28 AM |
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That reminds me... I need to take my 2 percent and put |
Kalyke |
Jan-18-11 08:30 AM |
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self delete -- inserted at wrong spot |
BigBearJohn |
Jan-19-11 12:23 AM |
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Hear, hear |
somone |
Jan-18-11 08:31 AM |
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Show of hands..... Anyone actually surprised? |
bobbolink |
Jan-18-11 08:31 AM |
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But, the prez gave such a great speech last week! |
CrispyQ |
Jan-18-11 08:52 AM |
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Yes, we keep getting words. |
bobbolink |
Jan-18-11 02:29 PM |
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"lunatic fringe" |
CrispyQ |
Jan-19-11 09:38 AM |
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Not standing firm on our beliefs is destructive. It is one thing to honestly question, |
bobbolink |
Jan-19-11 11:25 AM |
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I am sick of his speeches! Just pure Bullshit! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jan-18-11 07:12 PM |
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+1000 |
BrklynLiberal |
Jan-19-11 06:51 AM |
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Have you read posts #13 & 70? |
CrispyQ |
Jan-19-11 09:48 AM |
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Yes, he gave a wonderful speech, and then he went back to the |
JDPriestly |
Jan-19-11 12:49 AM |
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"There is a huge and very irrational leap of faith required to fully swallow that propaganda ..." |
bobbolink |
Jan-19-11 09:31 AM |
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Name removed |
Jan-19-11 07:21 AM |
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He has done the wrong thing |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 04:40 AM |
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Not even slightly. nm |
Richard Steele |
Jan-19-11 05:13 AM |
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there wouldn't have been a catfood commission -- and the people chosen for the commission -- |
xchrom |
Jan-18-11 08:31 AM |
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Precisely |
somone |
Jan-18-11 08:33 AM |
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That was kinda obvious, wasn't it? We needed a Dem to do what RW couldn't do. |
bobbolink |
Jan-18-11 08:33 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
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Jan-18-11 08:34 AM |
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Jesus and Sanders - guilty of socialism |
upi402 |
Jan-18-11 08:32 AM |
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K&R. Thank you, Bernie, for looking out for the American people. |
bullwinkle428 |
Jan-18-11 08:32 AM |
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Bernie is awesome. Check out NCPSSM. They just launched a Million $ Campaign on this issue |
jtown1123 |
Jan-18-11 11:11 AM |
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Thank you jtown! I just subscribed to their e-mail notices to help me |
snappyturtle |
Jan-19-11 04:54 AM |
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Great! Here is a letter you can print out and mail to the White House |
jtown1123 |
Jan-19-11 09:14 AM |
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I second what SNAPPYTURTLE said. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Jan-19-11 05:12 AM |
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If Obama compromises social security, he will lose the progressives completely, and if the Democrats |
still_one |
Jan-18-11 08:33 AM |
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Obama's post-partisanship means we are all Republicans now |
TheKentuckian |
Jan-18-11 08:38 AM |
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He will lose everyone. |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 04:44 AM |
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Exactly... |
sendero |
Jan-19-11 05:15 AM |
#82 |
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Obama's fake hope & change was pushed on everyone so that he could be THE ONE to do the dirty work |
earth mom |
Jan-19-11 01:50 PM |
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+100. triangulation. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 12:33 AM |
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I figured they would raise the age you can first collect to 67. How many would die prior to |
sarcasmo |
Jan-18-11 08:35 AM |
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The retirement age is already slated to hit 67. |
Sirveri |
Jan-19-11 06:02 AM |
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Currently you can draw early at a discount starting at age 62. My thinking is that is the age |
sarcasmo |
Jan-19-11 08:14 AM |
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You can withdraw at 62 but with a penalty. |
Sirveri |
Jan-19-11 11:17 PM |
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So when they cut SS how much will they cut the SS tax? |
MattBaggins |
Jan-18-11 08:35 AM |
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Obama needs to be told.....touch SS and you will be primaried. |
yourout |
Jan-18-11 08:40 AM |
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Touch SS and it will be one term. For many Democrats that is the line in the sand |
elocs |
Jan-18-11 08:43 AM |
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and it should be the last straw, as you implied if that happens there is little to differentiate |
still_one |
Jan-18-11 08:45 AM |
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Social Security should be the line in the sand for us, the 3rd rail: |
elocs |
Jan-18-11 08:50 AM |
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Can we start a petition on this one? I think your words are accurate and all that is needed. |
glinda |
Jan-18-11 08:46 AM |
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Send this letter to the White House (A printable PDF) |
jtown1123 |
Jan-19-11 09:13 AM |
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Do you think Obama really cares or is worried about that? |
Better Believe It |
Jan-18-11 08:48 AM |
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+1000! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jan-18-11 07:15 PM |
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I figure he will run |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 04:47 AM |
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+1,000,000,000 |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-18-11 10:44 AM |
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He won't care; he'll have plenty of money already. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jan-18-11 03:36 PM |
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+1x1000 nt |
snappyturtle |
Jan-19-11 04:58 AM |
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It's not a matter of may. He will. They will raise the retirement age |
no limit |
Jan-18-11 08:45 AM |
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It will be presented as a way to "shore up" and "preserve" this glorious program, |
QC |
Jan-18-11 08:46 AM |
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Don't forget the offset-single spot light on him for ' angelic ' effect. |
Segami |
Jan-18-11 08:49 AM |
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"Make no mistake--we will never "cut" Social Security...." n/t |
QC |
Jan-18-11 08:53 AM |
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Oh he's got that covered. |
MattBaggins |
Jan-18-11 08:57 AM |
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Yea right, sounds like a familiar tune |
Segami |
Jan-18-11 09:04 AM |
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don't forget to toss in *historic* in the speechifying |
Donnachaidh |
Jan-18-11 08:56 AM |
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History will remember him for pretty speeches |
somone |
Jan-18-11 09:09 AM |
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Maybe he'll trot out his pretty family & cute dogto show what a "caring & compassionate" person |
earth mom |
Jan-19-11 01:56 PM |
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The day Obama proposes his intended attack on the least of us |
Bluenorthwest |
Jan-18-11 08:55 AM |
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Hasn't that day come and gone? |
pam4water |
Jan-19-11 02:42 AM |
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What party are we going to join? |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 04:49 AM |
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The country still has a week to work itself into a frenzy over it. |
Buns_of_Fire |
Jan-18-11 09:12 AM |
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You will be relieved. That is their intention. |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 04:53 AM |
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Corpse of FDR to be exhumed and shot. nt |
Deep13 |
Jan-18-11 09:13 AM |
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Huh? |
avaistheone1 |
Jan-19-11 12:33 AM |
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RW economic supporters hate FDR and the New Deal. |
Deep13 |
Jan-19-11 08:50 AM |
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Makes sense to me :P |
pam4water |
Jan-19-11 02:41 AM |
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Bankers need more bulletproof limos. Teachers and retirees must "tighten their belts." |
DirkGently |
Jan-18-11 10:01 AM |
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When have you ever read or heard of a Banker tightening up their belts in order to make ends meet |
Segami |
Jan-18-11 10:37 AM |
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Clearly you don't understand bankers' suffering. They need our money -- all of it -- to save us. |
DirkGently |
Jan-18-11 11:30 AM |
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No, we must gear up for |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 04:54 AM |
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The Bowles/Simpson commission... |
FlyByNight |
Jan-18-11 10:14 AM |
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Considering the slim pickens that most aging job-seekers in the US already face |
Urban Prairie |
Jan-18-11 10:33 AM |
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K&R, we need a primary challenger. Why not let us put more into SS, instead of less. Instead of |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-18-11 10:42 AM |
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They want your money. |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 05:07 AM |
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The ' un-rec ' trolls are still trying for whatever reason. |
Segami |
Jan-18-11 11:09 AM |
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I just had some pretty heated arguments with denialists on an Obama SS thread |
jtown1123 |
Jan-18-11 02:28 PM |
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Well don't worry. |
pa28 |
Jan-18-11 06:51 PM |
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I don't, however, notice theusual suspects posting in this thread. |
PassingFair |
Jan-19-11 07:25 AM |
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Obama is already on thin ice with me. He TOUCHES SS and he will |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Jan-18-11 12:56 PM |
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Considering Bernies level of frustration.. |
disillusioned73 |
Jan-18-11 01:45 PM |
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You aren't the only one...I'm strongly tempted to write in Bernie Sanders |
Raksha |
Jan-20-11 12:29 AM |
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Since I don't have a dog in this hunt, let me lay out your options: |
lfairban |
Jan-18-11 07:08 PM |
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4) Stop pissing billions/ trillions |
Golden Raisin |
Jan-19-11 01:46 AM |
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That would be reasonable. |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 05:10 AM |
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Won't work |
lfairban |
Jan-19-11 01:41 PM |
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Option 3 - we could start a jobs program, teach people how to live in a |
jtuck004 |
Jan-19-11 01:46 AM |
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How about PUT OUR FUCKING MONEY BACK!!! |
MsPithy |
Jan-19-11 01:57 AM |
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Surplus is due to demographic anomalies |
lfairban |
Jan-19-11 01:47 PM |
#116 |
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First of all, neither you or I or anyone else knows what the world will be |
truedelphi |
Jan-20-11 12:17 AM |
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bullshit. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 12:37 AM |
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You said it. |
Bluebear |
Jan-21-11 02:57 PM |
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Are you even aware that Social Security has a 2.1 trillion dollar surplus? |
truedelphi |
Jan-19-11 02:48 AM |
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See reply 116 |
lfairban |
Jan-19-11 01:49 PM |
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Please see reply 123. Thanks. n/t |
truedelphi |
Jan-20-11 12:20 AM |
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best option: take the income cap off ss taxation and further tax the rich |
diane in sf |
Jan-19-11 04:24 AM |
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Good recommendation |
lfairban |
Jan-19-11 01:51 PM |
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"the rich" don't make most of their money from wages. Raise income taxes on "the rich", |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 12:38 AM |
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Option 3) REMOVE THE CAP and CUT payroll taxes... |
cascadiance |
Jan-19-11 07:17 AM |
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bullshit. rich people don't get most of their income from wages. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-20-11 12:40 AM |
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Huh? Are you say9ing that those making $106k or less in wages make 85% of the nation's income? |
cascadiance |
Jan-20-11 05:11 PM |
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IOW: Bernie's been talking to Obama himself. ANY cuts would = the death of the Democratic Party. NO |
WinkyDink |
Jan-18-11 07:17 PM |
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Except so many younger voters have been totally mesmerized by the notion |
truedelphi |
Jan-19-11 02:50 AM |
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But it's a Ponzi scheme. |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 05:15 AM |
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Wall Street is the real Ponzi scheme. |
truedelphi |
Jan-19-11 01:27 PM |
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Not true. Although we are told it is broke, polls show we overwhelmingly support |
jtown1123 |
Jan-19-11 09:41 AM |
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Support for social security |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 05:14 AM |
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I am so disillusioned. |
senseandsensibility |
Jan-18-11 07:23 PM |
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If they cut my SS, I'm DEAD |
Mojeoux |
Jan-18-11 07:27 PM |
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HUGE K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Jan-18-11 07:39 PM |
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I can't shake the image of a prize fighter being paid off to throw the fight. |
BigBearJohn |
Jan-19-11 12:27 AM |
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He was a corporatist before he became pres! He played a progressive on tv. |
democracy1st |
Jan-19-11 12:57 AM |
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You're right on that. |
Spike from MN |
Jan-19-11 01:29 PM |
#113 |
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That's exactly what's happening |
somone |
Jan-19-11 11:00 AM |
#108 |
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Yes they're coming for SS |
dreamnightwind |
Jan-19-11 03:57 AM |
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Will the Obama Administration |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 04:37 AM |
#68 |
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I agree with most of what you say, however, I believe that 'something' |
snappyturtle |
Jan-19-11 05:33 AM |
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Thank you, snappy. It's a good letter. |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 05:48 AM |
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If Obama cuts Social Security he will lose. |
fasttense |
Jan-19-11 05:31 AM |
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Pete Peterson |
Enthusiast |
Jan-19-11 05:49 AM |
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But...but...but...SARAH PALIN! |
katnapped |
Jan-19-11 06:50 AM |
#89 |
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The people he really works for (NOT US!) will reward him |
FiveGoodMen |
Jan-19-11 12:24 PM |
#110 |
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Cut a deal with the Republicans! Let'm impeach Obama if we can impeach Roberts on the SCOTUS! |
cascadiance |
Jan-19-11 07:12 AM |
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"may"? Looks like a done deal to me. nt |
TBF |
Jan-19-11 07:18 AM |
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Please don't continue to think that this is a Dem/Repub thing with him going Repub -this is |
peacetalksforall |
Jan-19-11 07:40 AM |
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Ugh yeah, we're fucked. |
lonestarnot |
Jan-19-11 09:10 AM |
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While he "may" cut it, if Obama so much as breaths on SS... |
Javaman |
Jan-19-11 07:57 AM |
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"May"? It's clear that has been his plan for a while. |
Edweird |
Jan-19-11 10:33 AM |
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...Or all along. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jan-19-11 12:35 PM |
#111 |
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"We have a president who is not prepared to defend the heart and soul of what the Democratic Party |
earth mom |
Jan-19-11 01:33 PM |
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And we have "Democrats" still defending him. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jan-19-11 02:06 PM |
#121 |
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If Obama goes after Social Security... |
kentuck |
Jan-20-11 12:39 AM |
#129 |
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Bernie never really loved Him! |
Bluebear |
Jan-20-11 04:03 AM |
#131 |
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