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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:53 PM
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3. Germany bans computerized voting; will hand count in 2009, by Paul Lehto
Hand counted paper ballots to be used now in Germany's 2009 elections -- computerized secret vote counting banned by constitutional PRINCIPLES!


Computerized voting machines used by 2 million of Germany's 5 million voters in 2005 are unconstitutional and not in line with democratic standards, especially the publicity of the counting (i.e. transparency, visibility). Thus, the 2009 elections - European Parliament in June and the Bundestag (German parliament) elections in September may not use existing voting machines and will be on paper and hand counted. Here's the Decision in German (with Google Translate and lotsa imagination you might get a useful translation -- the official English translation is due in a day or two).




Despite any modest statements reported in the media by one single judge (Herr Vossruhle) to the effect that the German high court's ruling doesn't necessarily ban (as a class) all computerized systems -- only the system used in the close German parliamentary elections of 2005 was ruled upon -- this seeming qualification is required by all courts because they can only rule on the case before them.


However, this seeming qualification is totally belied by the principles the court held and affirmed were required by the constitution. (links below)


The twin requirements, of constitutional magnitude, of no "specialized technical knowledge" being required for citizens, combined with the constitutional requirement of a publicly observed count as a practical matter make secret vote counting on computers impossible as the primary means of counting. Nor will a paper trail suffice, said the Court, according to reports about the ruling from European media linked below.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Germany-bans-computeri...
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