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Thu Oct-27-11 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #97 |
| 98. What "parts" are they? Got a good view of them? You tell me. |
| -Serious question: what's the end-game strategy for OWS? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 07:16 AM |
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end game?. . Why an end game at all? |
annabanana |
Oct-27-11 07:20 AM |
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If you're waiting for Congress - especially THIS Congress |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 07:22 AM |
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You mean like the MASSIVE marches against the Iraq invasion? |
annabanana |
Oct-27-11 07:26 AM |
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I mean like the one culminating in Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 07:33 AM |
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Speaking of 'history,' you're engaging in some well-meaning |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-27-11 09:24 AM |
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What changed that "course of history" was the riots |
shraby |
Oct-27-11 10:29 AM |
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well, you know back when Dr. King made his speech |
newspeak |
Oct-27-11 01:22 PM |
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Endgame? How about a defined set of objectives? |
badtoworse |
Oct-27-11 07:36 AM |
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Bingo |
Azathoth |
Oct-27-11 08:10 AM |
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"Jail the Thieves" sounds kinda specific to me /nt |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:25 AM |
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Which thieves? One what specific charges? Or should we just start lynching anyone in a business suit |
Azathoth |
Oct-27-11 08:35 AM |
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I don't agree |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:46 AM |
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"Outside the box" is a euphemism for "standing in the park chanting and playing bongo drums" |
Azathoth |
Oct-27-11 09:02 AM |
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You mean all that ballot box power that has worked so well so far? |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:33 AM |
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A citizen occupying a public space for the purpose of political speech |
a simple pattern |
Oct-27-11 04:38 PM |
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"Jail the Thieves" is fabulous. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:15 AM |
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So should the protesters prepare all the legal documents? |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:31 AM |
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Of course not. Get real. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:49 AM |
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Your approach will accomplish nothing |
badtoworse |
Oct-27-11 09:33 AM |
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Make some specific demands and change'll happen? |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:37 AM |
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Occupy Los Angeles turned 23 days old on October 23 and its |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-27-11 09:29 AM |
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OWS is a "Cri de Coeur" - Our "Cry from the Heart" ... |
66 dmhlt |
Oct-27-11 11:18 AM |
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unfortunately, some OWS's are even far afield from 'income inequality' as an issue |
MH1 |
Oct-27-11 11:45 AM |
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I 2nd the Bingo! |
Cumberland Guy |
Oct-27-11 03:21 PM |
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You dare to ask a rational and reasonable question? n/t |
redgiant |
Oct-27-11 03:24 PM |
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#Occupy is a tactic, the 99% is the movement |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 07:46 AM |
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Large rallies/protests are quickly forgotten. Remember Glenn Beck's 60,000 strong event? |
Azathoth |
Oct-27-11 08:12 AM |
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The whole point is not leaving till they get what they came for. n/t |
mattclearing |
Oct-27-11 07:49 AM |
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What's that? |
badtoworse |
Oct-27-11 07:53 AM |
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Economic equality. nt |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 08:14 AM |
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Exactly |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:26 AM |
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That's a nice amorphous blob. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:31 AM |
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Which side are you on? |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 08:36 AM |
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so what does that mean? |
pipi_k |
Oct-27-11 08:40 AM |
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Yes, they do, and you know just as well as I do and the rest of us do |
Occulus |
Oct-27-11 09:36 AM |
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George Bush: Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists. |
Psephos |
Oct-28-11 12:56 AM |
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Which side am I on??: Are you for freakin' REAL??? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:55 AM |
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I agree with Bake here |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:41 AM |
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The problem with the left right now - |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 10:15 AM |
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Please see #81 - |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 10:20 AM |
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Have you been to your local occupy general assembly? |
Change has come |
Oct-27-11 11:43 AM |
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Define "economic equality" |
pipi_k |
Oct-27-11 08:37 AM |
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A 10 to 1 spread works very well in the social-democratic nations. |
pnorman |
Oct-27-11 08:55 AM |
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Greatr answer! I'm filing it away. /nt |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:42 AM |
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how? |
Puzzledtraveller |
Oct-27-11 09:55 AM |
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Depends upon who you're asking - |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 10:04 AM |
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They issued a list of demands weeks ago. n/t |
mattclearing |
Oct-27-11 03:17 PM |
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To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women! |
AngryAmish |
Oct-27-11 07:57 AM |
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You forgot about the |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 09:19 AM |
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"End game" implies "over". That's the wrong way to think of this. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 07:58 AM |
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"just another step in an evolving conversation in the public square |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:23 AM |
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I meant that the idea of a march would be "just another step". You're right about OWS. nt |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 09:08 AM |
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Just another step in the evolving conversation? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:33 AM |
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I'm not saying give up specific goals. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 09:14 AM |
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Serious Answer: |
ixion |
Oct-27-11 08:00 AM |
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Great. How are you going to bring that to pass? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:47 AM |
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my answer was very specific |
ixion |
Oct-27-11 10:09 AM |
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An end to government corruption? |
Abin Sur |
Oct-27-11 08:51 AM |
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it's actually very simple to solve: |
ixion |
Oct-27-11 10:10 AM |
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"Corrupt politicians"? That term is redundant. |
Abin Sur |
Oct-27-11 10:14 AM |
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I would agree... |
ixion |
Oct-27-11 10:27 AM |
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Never going to happen. |
Abin Sur |
Oct-27-11 03:54 PM |
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It will go on through the winter but smaller |
2pooped2pop |
Oct-27-11 08:03 AM |
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We're a long ways from a culmination. |
LuvNewcastle |
Oct-27-11 08:12 AM |
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We don't have years to wait. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:18 AM |
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This isn't just about Wall St., |
LuvNewcastle |
Oct-27-11 10:21 AM |
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By that analogy, about five years before that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-27-11 05:04 PM |
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Well the police will continue to push and doubtful many camps will survive the winter |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 08:14 AM |
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I think many miss that they're only seeing the "tip of the iceberg". |
dmosh42 |
Oct-27-11 08:24 AM |
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Please tell me you're not serious |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-27-11 08:41 AM |
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Oh fucking get real! |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:51 AM |
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Well, then, perhaps I misread this: |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-27-11 09:29 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-27-11 09:46 AM |
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If I remember correctly that the civil rights movement DID |
shraby |
Oct-27-11 10:39 AM |
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Bake, Kill the "leader"...it is purpseful by OWS. they don't play |
caledesi |
Oct-27-11 11:28 AM |
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Go down to your occupy |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-27-11 03:23 PM |
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Framing it in terms of end game is kind of like thinking in terms of corporate business models |
firehorse |
Oct-27-11 08:44 AM |
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Good points /nt |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:46 AM |
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Then you'd better have 100 years to wait.... |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:11 AM |
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It's not constructive to frame the movement in the same way Fox news does. |
firehorse |
Oct-27-11 09:21 AM |
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OWS just stepped out of the primordial soup a little over a month ago... |
Modern_Matthew |
Oct-27-11 09:09 AM |
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General strikes are a great next step. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:21 AM |
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Here's the thing about the |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 09:31 AM |
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Bingo. And I'm still getting resumes out. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:35 AM |
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sigh! Fun, isn't it?! |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 09:48 AM |
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Are you in the city limits of Oacland? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-27-11 05:01 PM |
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Everyone has the right to honour their own conscience and needs. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 10:43 AM |
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Shop stewards? |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 11:32 AM |
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Union reps - one of their roles is to enforce strikes called by the union. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 11:44 AM |
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Okay, thanks for the info. nt |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 12:59 PM |
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The fact you need to ask that question |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-27-11 05:03 PM |
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Agreed. There has to be a solid objective and a plan to achieve it - |
lynne |
Oct-27-11 09:10 AM |
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End Game, how about this? |
RC |
Oct-27-11 09:16 AM |
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I don't see it that way.... |
Avalux |
Oct-27-11 09:19 AM |
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"It worked in the 60s with Dr. King" - um, actually, the March on |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-27-11 09:20 AM |
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Win? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-27-11 09:21 AM |
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It certainly appears otherwise... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-27-11 09:23 AM |
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Diminishing returns... |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:55 AM |
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We see what we want to... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-27-11 11:18 AM |
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Bake, PLEEEZ... |
yoyossarian |
Oct-27-11 06:48 PM |
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A march on Washington would be a good way to bring it to an end. |
bluedigger |
Oct-27-11 09:43 AM |
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Final action is giant protest to delayed deficit reduction deal. |
philly_bob |
Oct-27-11 09:51 AM |
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End game? Same as finding leaders....... |
DainBramaged |
Oct-27-11 09:53 AM |
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It took a minimum of thirty years to get to this point.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-27-11 09:59 AM |
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So nobody has answered yet ... whats the next step? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:59 AM |
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There is strategy you just are not acknowleging it. You need to go down there and feel it yourself |
firehorse |
Oct-27-11 10:10 AM |
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Yes, I "got it." |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 10:15 AM |
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have you actually gone down and talked to occupiers or are you just parroting Fox's concerns? |
firehorse |
Oct-27-11 11:02 AM |
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You appear to conflate prognostication and curiosity... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-27-11 11:24 AM |
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Do you, like, read the endings of books first? |
yoyossarian |
Oct-27-11 06:55 PM |
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Know what's weird? |
The2ndWheel |
Oct-27-11 10:21 AM |
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"Does not end" is not realistic. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 10:40 AM |
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No, somebody does not have to "think about the next step". |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 10:52 AM |
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Would you like a cookie? |
lonestarnot |
Oct-27-11 10:00 AM |
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Cookie? No. I'd like a llong term strategy. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 10:17 AM |
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When and who precisely did the leaders of the civil rights movement |
LanternWaste |
Oct-27-11 11:30 AM |
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Duh. There were leaders in that movemet ... King, Abernathy, et al. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 12:35 PM |
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So make "a llong term strategy" of your own! |
Gold Metal Flake |
Oct-27-11 11:37 AM |
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Catalyzing a series of General Strikes works for me. So long as we don't call it an "end-game". |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 10:31 AM |
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End Game = OWS becomes Get Out The Vote effort for Dems. |
Township75 |
Oct-27-11 11:09 AM |
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So what about the parts of it outside your fair land? |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 11:25 AM |
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What "parts" are they? Got a good view of them? You tell me. |
Township75 |
Oct-27-11 11:27 AM |
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To force or create a society based upon people instead of greed. |
Fire Walk With Me |
Oct-27-11 11:30 AM |
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We have a long ways to go to end game |
bengalherder |
Oct-27-11 12:08 PM |
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Sorry, but history says it's doomed to fail, in the short run at least. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 12:38 PM |
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that's an incorrect reading of history |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-11 04:39 PM |
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Bake, take a CHILL PILL! |
yoyossarian |
Oct-27-11 06:59 PM |
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My guess is that OWS will sort of fade out and be replaced by |
Ganja Ninja |
Oct-27-11 12:40 PM |
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There are 'leaders'? |
randome |
Oct-27-11 12:45 PM |
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I suspect you are correct |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 01:14 PM |
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that poster is not correct |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-11 04:34 PM |
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I agree. |
randome |
Oct-27-11 12:40 PM |
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You think they're milling about, but they're not. |
a simple pattern |
Oct-27-11 04:56 PM |
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'Leader' doesn't seem to make any headway. |
randome |
Oct-27-11 01:18 PM |
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really? who was the spokesperson for the Civil Rights movement in its first year? |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-11 04:41 PM |
#127 |
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The goal is to continue to bring awareness to the problems and to awake a sleeping populous. |
Marrah_G |
Oct-27-11 03:32 PM |
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What would he have said if you told him in 1955 to march on DC for Civil Rights? |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-11 04:26 PM |
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I don't see this ending any time soon. The economy will have to get better quick |
TNLib |
Oct-27-11 04:50 PM |
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What would you like the strategy to be |
Progressive dog |
Oct-27-11 04:55 PM |
#129 |
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Serious answer attend one |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-28-11 12:58 AM |
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Everyone gets their pony and rides off into the sunset |
jberryhill |
Oct-28-11 01:12 AM |
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A GROUP VOW TO VOTE BLUE is the end game....I would suggest anyways... :o) |
opihimoimoi |
Oct-28-11 04:02 AM |
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It Gets a Better Name and Becomes an "-ism" |
SoDesuKa |
Oct-28-11 01:46 PM |
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Real life rarely affords for well planned 'endgames' because life has |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-28-11 02:00 PM |
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