Occulus
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Oct-27-11 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #27 |
| 59. Yes, they do, and you know just as well as I do and the rest of us do |
|
that these exact "concerns" have been gleefully used by trolls here and on other board since OWS began.
Get behind OWS, or get the fuck out of the way, pipi.
WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?
|
| -Serious question: what's the end-game strategy for OWS? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 07:16 AM |
#0 |
 -
end game?. . Why an end game at all? |
annabanana |
Oct-27-11 07:20 AM |
#1 |
  -
If you're waiting for Congress - especially THIS Congress |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 07:22 AM |
#2 |
| -
You mean like the MASSIVE marches against the Iraq invasion? |
annabanana |
Oct-27-11 07:26 AM |
#3 |
| -
I mean like the one culminating in Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 07:33 AM |
#4 |
| -
Speaking of 'history,' you're engaging in some well-meaning |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-27-11 09:24 AM |
#53 |
| -
What changed that "course of history" was the riots |
shraby |
Oct-27-11 10:29 AM |
#86 |
| -
well, you know back when Dr. King made his speech |
newspeak |
Oct-27-11 01:22 PM |
#116 |
| -
Endgame? How about a defined set of objectives? |
badtoworse |
Oct-27-11 07:36 AM |
#5 |
| -
Bingo |
Azathoth |
Oct-27-11 08:10 AM |
#13 |
| -
"Jail the Thieves" sounds kinda specific to me /nt |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:25 AM |
#20 |
| -
Which thieves? One what specific charges? Or should we just start lynching anyone in a business suit |
Azathoth |
Oct-27-11 08:35 AM |
#24 |
| -
I don't agree |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:46 AM |
#30 |
| -
"Outside the box" is a euphemism for "standing in the park chanting and playing bongo drums" |
Azathoth |
Oct-27-11 09:02 AM |
#37 |
| -
You mean all that ballot box power that has worked so well so far? |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:33 AM |
#57 |
| -
A citizen occupying a public space for the purpose of political speech |
a simple pattern |
Oct-27-11 04:38 PM |
#125 |
| -
"Jail the Thieves" is fabulous. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:15 AM |
#43 |
| -
So should the protesters prepare all the legal documents? |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:31 AM |
# |
| -
Of course not. Get real. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:49 AM |
#66 |
| -
Your approach will accomplish nothing |
badtoworse |
Oct-27-11 09:33 AM |
#56 |
| -
Make some specific demands and change'll happen? |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:37 AM |
#60 |
| -
Occupy Los Angeles turned 23 days old on October 23 and its |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-27-11 09:29 AM |
# |
| -
OWS is a "Cri de Coeur" - Our "Cry from the Heart" ... |
66 dmhlt |
Oct-27-11 11:18 AM |
#95 |
| -
unfortunately, some OWS's are even far afield from 'income inequality' as an issue |
MH1 |
Oct-27-11 11:45 AM |
#106 |
| -
I 2nd the Bingo! |
Cumberland Guy |
Oct-27-11 03:21 PM |
#118 |
| -
You dare to ask a rational and reasonable question? n/t |
redgiant |
Oct-27-11 03:24 PM |
#120 |
| -
#Occupy is a tactic, the 99% is the movement |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 07:46 AM |
#6 |
| -
Large rallies/protests are quickly forgotten. Remember Glenn Beck's 60,000 strong event? |
Azathoth |
Oct-27-11 08:12 AM |
#14 |
| -
The whole point is not leaving till they get what they came for. n/t |
mattclearing |
Oct-27-11 07:49 AM |
#7 |
| -
What's that? |
badtoworse |
Oct-27-11 07:53 AM |
#8 |
| -
Economic equality. nt |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 08:14 AM |
#17 |
| -
Exactly |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:26 AM |
#21 |
| -
That's a nice amorphous blob. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:31 AM |
#22 |
| -
Which side are you on? |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 08:36 AM |
#25 |
| -
so what does that mean? |
pipi_k |
Oct-27-11 08:40 AM |
#27 |
| -
Yes, they do, and you know just as well as I do and the rest of us do |
Occulus |
Oct-27-11 09:36 AM |
#59 |
| -
George Bush: Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists. |
Psephos |
Oct-28-11 12:56 AM |
#137 |
| -
Which side am I on??: Are you for freakin' REAL??? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:55 AM |
#36 |
| -
I agree with Bake here |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:41 AM |
#61 |
| -
The problem with the left right now - |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 10:15 AM |
#79 |
| -
Please see #81 - |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 10:20 AM |
#82 |
| -
Have you been to your local occupy general assembly? |
Change has come |
Oct-27-11 11:43 AM |
#104 |
| -
Define "economic equality" |
pipi_k |
Oct-27-11 08:37 AM |
#26 |
| -
A 10 to 1 spread works very well in the social-democratic nations. |
pnorman |
Oct-27-11 08:55 AM |
#35 |
| -
Greatr answer! I'm filing it away. /nt |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 09:42 AM |
#62 |
| -
how? |
Puzzledtraveller |
Oct-27-11 09:55 AM |
#70 |
| -
Depends upon who you're asking - |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 10:04 AM |
#74 |
| -
They issued a list of demands weeks ago. n/t |
mattclearing |
Oct-27-11 03:17 PM |
#117 |
| -
To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women! |
AngryAmish |
Oct-27-11 07:57 AM |
#9 |
| -
You forgot about the |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 09:19 AM |
#46 |
| -
"End game" implies "over". That's the wrong way to think of this. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 07:58 AM |
#10 |
| -
"just another step in an evolving conversation in the public square |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:23 AM |
#18 |
| -
I meant that the idea of a march would be "just another step". You're right about OWS. nt |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 09:08 AM |
#38 |
| -
Just another step in the evolving conversation? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:33 AM |
#23 |
| -
I'm not saying give up specific goals. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 09:14 AM |
#42 |
| -
Serious Answer: |
ixion |
Oct-27-11 08:00 AM |
#11 |
| -
Great. How are you going to bring that to pass? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:47 AM |
#32 |
| -
my answer was very specific |
ixion |
Oct-27-11 10:09 AM |
#75 |
| -
An end to government corruption? |
Abin Sur |
Oct-27-11 08:51 AM |
#34 |
| -
it's actually very simple to solve: |
ixion |
Oct-27-11 10:10 AM |
#76 |
| -
"Corrupt politicians"? That term is redundant. |
Abin Sur |
Oct-27-11 10:14 AM |
#78 |
| -
I would agree... |
ixion |
Oct-27-11 10:27 AM |
#85 |
| -
Never going to happen. |
Abin Sur |
Oct-27-11 03:54 PM |
#122 |
| -
It will go on through the winter but smaller |
2pooped2pop |
Oct-27-11 08:03 AM |
#12 |
| -
We're a long ways from a culmination. |
LuvNewcastle |
Oct-27-11 08:12 AM |
#15 |
| -
We don't have years to wait. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:18 AM |
#45 |
| -
This isn't just about Wall St., |
LuvNewcastle |
Oct-27-11 10:21 AM |
#84 |
| -
By that analogy, about five years before that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-27-11 05:04 PM |
#133 |
| -
Well the police will continue to push and doubtful many camps will survive the winter |
TBF |
Oct-27-11 08:14 AM |
#16 |
| -
I think many miss that they're only seeing the "tip of the iceberg". |
dmosh42 |
Oct-27-11 08:24 AM |
#19 |
| -
Please tell me you're not serious |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-27-11 08:41 AM |
#28 |
| -
Oh fucking get real! |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 08:51 AM |
#33 |
| -
Well, then, perhaps I misread this: |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-27-11 09:29 AM |
#54 |
| -
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-27-11 09:46 AM |
#64 |
| -
If I remember correctly that the civil rights movement DID |
shraby |
Oct-27-11 10:39 AM |
#88 |
| -
Bake, Kill the "leader"...it is purpseful by OWS. they don't play |
caledesi |
Oct-27-11 11:28 AM |
#99 |
| -
Go down to your occupy |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-27-11 03:23 PM |
#119 |
| -
Framing it in terms of end game is kind of like thinking in terms of corporate business models |
firehorse |
Oct-27-11 08:44 AM |
#29 |
| -
Good points /nt |
Bragi |
Oct-27-11 08:46 AM |
#31 |
| -
Then you'd better have 100 years to wait.... |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:11 AM |
#41 |
| -
It's not constructive to frame the movement in the same way Fox news does. |
firehorse |
Oct-27-11 09:21 AM |
#50 |
| -
OWS just stepped out of the primordial soup a little over a month ago... |
Modern_Matthew |
Oct-27-11 09:09 AM |
#39 |
| -
General strikes are a great next step. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:21 AM |
#49 |
| -
Here's the thing about the |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 09:31 AM |
#55 |
| -
Bingo. And I'm still getting resumes out. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:35 AM |
#58 |
| -
sigh! Fun, isn't it?! |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 09:48 AM |
#65 |
| -
Are you in the city limits of Oacland? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-27-11 05:01 PM |
#131 |
| -
Everyone has the right to honour their own conscience and needs. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 10:43 AM |
#90 |
| -
Shop stewards? |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 11:32 AM |
#102 |
| -
Union reps - one of their roles is to enforce strikes called by the union. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 11:44 AM |
#105 |
| -
Okay, thanks for the info. nt |
HappyMe |
Oct-27-11 12:59 PM |
#113 |
| -
The fact you need to ask that question |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-27-11 05:03 PM |
#132 |
| -
Agreed. There has to be a solid objective and a plan to achieve it - |
lynne |
Oct-27-11 09:10 AM |
#40 |
| -
End Game, how about this? |
RC |
Oct-27-11 09:16 AM |
#44 |
| -
I don't see it that way.... |
Avalux |
Oct-27-11 09:19 AM |
#47 |
| -
"It worked in the 60s with Dr. King" - um, actually, the March on |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-27-11 09:20 AM |
#48 |
| -
Win? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-27-11 09:21 AM |
#51 |
| -
It certainly appears otherwise... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-27-11 09:23 AM |
#52 |
| -
Diminishing returns... |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:55 AM |
#69 |
| -
We see what we want to... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-27-11 11:18 AM |
#94 |
| -
Bake, PLEEEZ... |
yoyossarian |
Oct-27-11 06:48 PM |
#134 |
| -
A march on Washington would be a good way to bring it to an end. |
bluedigger |
Oct-27-11 09:43 AM |
#63 |
| -
Final action is giant protest to delayed deficit reduction deal. |
philly_bob |
Oct-27-11 09:51 AM |
#67 |
| -
End game? Same as finding leaders....... |
DainBramaged |
Oct-27-11 09:53 AM |
#68 |
| -
It took a minimum of thirty years to get to this point.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-27-11 09:59 AM |
#71 |
| -
So nobody has answered yet ... whats the next step? |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 09:59 AM |
#72 |
| -
There is strategy you just are not acknowleging it. You need to go down there and feel it yourself |
firehorse |
Oct-27-11 10:10 AM |
#77 |
| -
Yes, I "got it." |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 10:15 AM |
#80 |
| -
have you actually gone down and talked to occupiers or are you just parroting Fox's concerns? |
firehorse |
Oct-27-11 11:02 AM |
#92 |
| -
You appear to conflate prognostication and curiosity... |
LanternWaste |
Oct-27-11 11:24 AM |
#96 |
| -
Do you, like, read the endings of books first? |
yoyossarian |
Oct-27-11 06:55 PM |
#135 |
| -
Know what's weird? |
The2ndWheel |
Oct-27-11 10:21 AM |
#83 |
| -
"Does not end" is not realistic. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 10:40 AM |
#89 |
| -
No, somebody does not have to "think about the next step". |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 10:52 AM |
#91 |
| -
Would you like a cookie? |
lonestarnot |
Oct-27-11 10:00 AM |
#73 |
| -
Cookie? No. I'd like a llong term strategy. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 10:17 AM |
#81 |
| -
When and who precisely did the leaders of the civil rights movement |
LanternWaste |
Oct-27-11 11:30 AM |
#101 |
| -
Duh. There were leaders in that movemet ... King, Abernathy, et al. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 12:35 PM |
#108 |
| -
So make "a llong term strategy" of your own! |
Gold Metal Flake |
Oct-27-11 11:37 AM |
#103 |
| -
Catalyzing a series of General Strikes works for me. So long as we don't call it an "end-game". |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 10:31 AM |
#87 |
| -
End Game = OWS becomes Get Out The Vote effort for Dems. |
Township75 |
Oct-27-11 11:09 AM |
#93 |
| -
So what about the parts of it outside your fair land? |
GliderGuider |
Oct-27-11 11:25 AM |
#97 |
| -
What "parts" are they? Got a good view of them? You tell me. |
Township75 |
Oct-27-11 11:27 AM |
#98 |
| -
To force or create a society based upon people instead of greed. |
Fire Walk With Me |
Oct-27-11 11:30 AM |
#100 |
| -
We have a long ways to go to end game |
bengalherder |
Oct-27-11 12:08 PM |
#107 |
| -
Sorry, but history says it's doomed to fail, in the short run at least. |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 12:38 PM |
#109 |
| -
that's an incorrect reading of history |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-11 04:39 PM |
#126 |
| -
Bake, take a CHILL PILL! |
yoyossarian |
Oct-27-11 06:59 PM |
#136 |
| -
My guess is that OWS will sort of fade out and be replaced by |
Ganja Ninja |
Oct-27-11 12:40 PM |
#110 |
| -
There are 'leaders'? |
randome |
Oct-27-11 12:45 PM |
#112 |
| -
I suspect you are correct |
Bake |
Oct-27-11 01:14 PM |
#114 |
| -
that poster is not correct |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-11 04:34 PM |
#124 |
| -
I agree. |
randome |
Oct-27-11 12:40 PM |
#111 |
| -
You think they're milling about, but they're not. |
a simple pattern |
Oct-27-11 04:56 PM |
#130 |
| -
'Leader' doesn't seem to make any headway. |
randome |
Oct-27-11 01:18 PM |
#115 |
| -
really? who was the spokesperson for the Civil Rights movement in its first year? |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-11 04:41 PM |
#127 |
| -
The goal is to continue to bring awareness to the problems and to awake a sleeping populous. |
Marrah_G |
Oct-27-11 03:32 PM |
#121 |
| -
What would he have said if you told him in 1955 to march on DC for Civil Rights? |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-11 04:26 PM |
#123 |
| -
I don't see this ending any time soon. The economy will have to get better quick |
TNLib |
Oct-27-11 04:50 PM |
#128 |
| -
What would you like the strategy to be |
Progressive dog |
Oct-27-11 04:55 PM |
#129 |
| -
Serious answer attend one |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-28-11 12:58 AM |
#138 |
| -
Everyone gets their pony and rides off into the sunset |
jberryhill |
Oct-28-11 01:12 AM |
#139 |
| -
A GROUP VOW TO VOTE BLUE is the end game....I would suggest anyways... :o) |
opihimoimoi |
Oct-28-11 04:02 AM |
#140 |
| -
It Gets a Better Name and Becomes an "-ism" |
SoDesuKa |
Oct-28-11 01:46 PM |
#141 |
| -
Real life rarely affords for well planned 'endgames' because life has |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-28-11 02:00 PM |
#142 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread