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backtoblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 12:21 PM
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14. throw the peasants fewer crumbs...so they can fight over them
and not fight their oppressors.
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  -OK, Explain this to me Like Im a Complete Idiot, Part VIII: Lowering/Abolishing Minimum Wage. HughBeaumont  Oct-26-11 11:42 AM   #0 
  - First they break the unions, lower wages follow -  TBF   Oct-26-11 11:48 AM   #1 
  - I think this will sink without some clarification -  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 11:57 AM   #2 
  - Then you're probably looking in the wrong place  0rganism   Oct-26-11 12:14 PM   #10 
     - I'd probably have to go where they pass around the shared brain, IOW.  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:28 PM   #21 
        - welcome to the Free Republic, brain line starts over there  0rganism   Oct-26-11 12:46 PM   #36 
  - Globalization! Competitiveness!  WinkyDink   Oct-26-11 11:58 AM   #3 
  - Yes, and what's the rational side of it?  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:01 PM   #4 
     - Corporations will move HERE from Indonesia!  WinkyDink   Oct-26-11 12:03 PM   #5 
        - Not so much "sensible", because yes, it makes no sense at all . . .  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:14 PM   #11 
  - It is the capitalist's ideal  blindpig   Oct-26-11 12:03 PM   #6 
  - It improves the economy... for the one-percenters.  backscatter712   Oct-26-11 12:03 PM   #7 
  - It's going to improve the .1%'s bottom line. That's the only thing that matters.  valerief   Oct-26-11 12:04 PM   #8 
  - ONly In The Short Term  ProfessorGAC   Oct-26-11 12:51 PM   #38 
     - Yeah, the .1% don't need customers. They have Wall St. magic toys and their Fed. nt  valerief   Oct-26-11 03:30 PM   #63 
        - Only In The Short Term  ProfessorGAC   Oct-28-11 06:52 AM   #79 
  - There are actual studies that have been done showing that as the minimum wage rises  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 12:09 PM   #9 
  - If a business owner thinks $7.25 is too goddamned much to pay a worker . . .  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:20 PM   #13 
  - Usually people start businesses to make money not hire people  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 12:24 PM   #16 
     - and this is the fundamental flaw capitalism nt  bowens43   Oct-26-11 12:28 PM   #20 
     - .  bowens43   Oct-26-11 12:29 PM   #22 
     - Why?  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 12:33 PM   #26 
        - Because it is not based on need.  ieoeja   Oct-26-11 03:12 PM   #62 
           - Bravo! Eom  FloridaJudy   Oct-26-11 06:22 PM   #73 
     - What about filling a need/demand?  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:32 PM   #25 
     - Can't answer that  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 12:34 PM   #29 
     - That being said, what would be in it for you . . .  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:44 PM   #33 
     - I guess the solution is for you to start a business and run it the way  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 01:13 PM   #40 
        - That would depend on the kind of business you start, wouldn't it?  smokey nj   Oct-27-11 08:13 AM   #78 
     - Which is why your business would ultimately fail  MattBaggins   Oct-26-11 01:29 PM   #43 
        - Really? Apple didn't fail  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 02:06 PM   #46 
           - You left out other relevant motivations-- idealism, vision...  LanternWaste   Oct-26-11 06:35 PM   #74 
     - ah, but you forget  DonCoquixote   Oct-26-11 05:35 PM   #72 
        - Right. I forgot.  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 10:02 PM   #76 
     - Don't try to rationalize it. I've seen people here argue that a business should be willing to...  IndyPragmatist   Oct-26-11 12:54 PM   #39 
        - Clearly the self employed are merely selfish individuals  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 01:14 PM   #41 
           - And clearly, Libertarians have NO answer as to how Capitalism survives . . .  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 01:28 PM   #42 
              - My question is why aren't you starting a business and hiring people  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 02:03 PM   #45 
                 - No, YOU don't get to ask a question until you answer mine.  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 02:26 PM   #51 
                    - Look, I steered you toward some studies, including one done by the federal government  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 02:44 PM   #56 
                       - Because I know Horatio Alger is bullshit, that's why.  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 02:52 PM   #57 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-26-11 03:01 PM   #59 
                             - OK, now can you post a study that's NOT a right-wing-biased source?  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 03:41 PM   #65 
                                - The Federal Minimum Wage Commission was one I referred to previously  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 04:16 PM   #67 
  - really? Let's see them. nt  bowens43   Oct-26-11 12:26 PM   #18 
  - Federal Minimum Wage Study Commision has them  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 12:31 PM   #24 
     - Cato, WaPo studies on how paying poor people more causes unemployment.  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:33 PM   #28 
        - Like I said, it was a quick google search  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 12:35 PM   #30 
  - And there are actual studies showing otherwise. Most recently this study at UC Berkeley  Luminous Animal   Oct-26-11 02:33 PM   #53 
     - yes one that used control factors well above the generally accepted method  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 02:56 PM   #58 
        - Like I said... there are many others that dispute your assertion. You might think  Luminous Animal   Oct-26-11 03:05 PM   #60 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-26-11 03:07 PM   #61 
  - Their main reason against raising it is a lie that a 5-year-old could see through  Doctor_J   Oct-26-11 12:18 PM   #12 
  - throw the peasants fewer crumbs...so they can fight over them  backtoblue   Oct-26-11 12:21 PM   #14 
  - its FREEDUM!!11!1  corkhead   Oct-26-11 12:24 PM   #15 
  - The question is, what is the perfect minimum wage?  TBMASE   Oct-26-11 12:25 PM   #17 
  - the repuke version of "improving the economy" = 1% ers make more money.  dionysus   Oct-26-11 12:27 PM   #19 
  - "Feeding the birds by giving the horse more oats" - TahitiNut.  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:29 PM   #23 
  - get back to work, you ingrates! people in india get by on nine dollars a month!  unblock   Oct-26-11 12:33 PM   #27 
  - It's unthinkable for people to be paid less than $7.25 per hour. Right, DU moderators?  Nye Bevan   Oct-26-11 12:35 PM   #31 
  - Do you really want to hear their argument?  hfojvt   Oct-26-11 12:39 PM   #32 
  - And when does it plunge to $4 . . $3 . . . no, $2 dollars an hour??  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 12:46 PM   #35 
     - why should it fall though?  hfojvt   Oct-26-11 02:16 PM   #48 
        - People on UI aren't "Doing nothing".  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 02:44 PM   #55 
        - that's only technically true  hfojvt   Oct-26-11 05:07 PM   #70 
        - you're really good at playing devil's advocate, you know, making the Republican argument  CreekDog   Oct-26-11 09:40 PM   #75 
           - I consider providing tax data a service  hfojvt   Oct-26-11 11:07 PM   #77 
  - They will shift the talk to regulation in general  Spike89   Oct-26-11 12:45 PM   #34 
  - The end of this is either  intaglio   Oct-26-11 12:47 PM   #37 
  - you won't get logic or rational, because lowering the MW defies both. nt  Javaman   Oct-26-11 02:00 PM   #44 
  - Undercut the Third World on labor costs = General & Everlasting Prosperity  kenny blankenship   Oct-26-11 02:15 PM   #47 
  - copied your question, verbatim, to Yahoo!  chemp   Oct-26-11 02:17 PM   #49 
  - The more drawn-out responses read like racist Bircher boilerplate.  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 03:34 PM   #64 
  - ...you really don't know how they do it? Ok, well, here it is.  Shandris   Oct-26-11 02:24 PM   #50 
  - Many of the "Yes" arguments at that link . . .  HughBeaumont   Oct-26-11 02:31 PM   #52 
  - No, they don't get that at all.  Shandris   Oct-26-11 02:38 PM   #54 
  - Thanks for educating me.  Celefin   Oct-26-11 04:53 PM   #69 
  - Their reasoning is simple. Say someone will gladly work for 48 cents an hour...  Shagbark Hickory   Oct-26-11 03:45 PM   #66 
  - Wikipedia is usually a useful resource  Nye Bevan   Oct-26-11 04:32 PM   #68 
  - Jobs at 25 cents an hour.  mmonk   Oct-26-11 05:09 PM   #71 
  - Stupidest thing I have ever heard (Not the question mind you)  ck4829   Oct-28-11 07:00 AM   #80 
     - Did you see the Yahoo link above?  HughBeaumont   Oct-28-11 07:12 AM   #81 
 

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