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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 02:21 PM
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80. Though this is a great graphic, it is partisan
I agree with the graphic for the most part, but it's not how people like us react to it that really matters.

It's what I call an "me good, you bad" story. We really do have to get past that, now more than ever.

The first phase of needed reforms quite possibly involves amending the constitution to remove private money from the political process. To that end, we need to educate the non-rich right wingers that we are fighting for their interests as well as ours.

They have a very different view of the OWS movement, and partisan graphics like this will alienate them rather than recruit them. They think Soros, MS-NBC, and to some extent, Obama, are all behind OWS. So they would take issue with the info in the chart, and it would just polarize them against OWS.

We need to bring in as much of the 99% as possible to do this. It doesn't mean bringing in their values. If we limit the first phase of reform to a massive push to remove private money from elections, we can incorporate people from the right in this effort (and it's a heavy lift, we will need all the help we can get in this fight) since their interests are aligned with ours at least this far along the road.

After that, we'll have the political mechanisms restored to where we can use electoral politics to elect reps and enact legislation that is about the people of this country, not the 1% at the top. That will be more the time to fight for progressive policies.

We'll never remove the money from politics without help from the non-wealthy right wingers. Let's do everything we can to bring them into this fight at our side.

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  - Are we really striving for inclusion when we won't include the Tea Party?  ZombieHorde   Oct-23-11 09:48 PM   #10 
  - I agree.  cui bono   Oct-23-11 10:24 PM   #11 
  - If the tea party showed up, they would not be turned away  2pooped2pop   Oct-24-11 07:07 AM   #32 
     - Do you thikn they would bother to show up if they had read your post? n/t  cui bono   Oct-24-11 07:32 AM   #37 
        - because I call them what they named themselves and make fun  2pooped2pop   Oct-24-11 07:37 AM   #39 
           - They don't cal themselves stupid as you did. And I used to use Teabaggers as well  cui bono   Oct-24-11 07:39 AM   #41 
              - They are too stupid to know they are too stupid. n/t  2pooped2pop   Oct-24-11 07:41 AM   #42 
              - It's time for you to mature a bit. Please don't do what you are doing.  cui bono   Oct-24-11 07:58 AM   #45 
                 - Look,  2pooped2pop   Oct-24-11 08:34 AM   #47 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-24-11 09:19 AM   #54 
              - problem with this logic  lark   Oct-24-11 04:37 PM   #86 
  - I am with you now. Didn't feel this way 2-3 weeks ago, but I have  Turn CO Blue   Oct-23-11 10:31 PM   #12 
  - Actually  BobbyBoring   Oct-24-11 10:18 AM   #57 
  - No one has to tolerate the bigots.  Lex   Oct-23-11 10:43 PM   #15 
  - Then shouldn't we call ourselves exclusive instead inclusive? nt  ZombieHorde   Oct-23-11 10:51 PM   #18 
  - This sign is not "excluding" anyone- simply pointing out the factual differences.  stlsaxman   Oct-24-11 05:33 AM   #27 
     - I think the sign is excluding the Tea Party. If that sign was saying mean things about you,  ZombieHorde   Oct-24-11 10:59 AM   #66 
        - What "mean things" is the sign saying? (nt)  redqueen   Oct-24-11 11:01 AM   #68 
           - Really?  ZombieHorde   Oct-24-11 04:25 PM   #85 
              - Those are observations, not insults.  redqueen   Oct-24-11 04:49 PM   #88 
                 - That article is about Tea Party Nation, not the Tea Party as a whole.  ZombieHorde   Oct-24-11 08:01 PM   #90 
  - bigot  cui bono   Oct-24-11 07:36 AM   #38 
  - I would bet...  jonthebru   Oct-24-11 01:59 AM   #23 
  - 'At 99%, you are by definition not exclusive.'  ZombieHorde   Oct-24-11 11:01 AM   #67 
  - Tea Party  pangaia   Oct-24-11 07:02 AM   #31 
  - I doubt insulting them will help conform to our way of thinking.  ZombieHorde   Oct-24-11 11:03 AM   #69 
  - Has there been any effort to exclude the tea party?  madokie   Oct-24-11 07:17 AM   #34 
  - The sign in the OP is exclusive, and many here cheer it.  ZombieHorde   Oct-24-11 11:04 AM   #70 
  - Yes actually.  Pacifist Patriot   Oct-24-11 07:19 AM   #35 
  - They want to be "included"? Then renounce Reaganomics.  HughBeaumont   Oct-24-11 07:52 AM   #44 
  - The stuff we advocate for will help Tea Partiers...  krispos42   Oct-24-11 08:50 AM   #49 
  - That is silly. They don't want to be included.  redqueen   Oct-24-11 09:12 AM   #53 
  - Not true  BobbyBoring   Oct-24-11 10:33 AM   #59 
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        - I'll bet a whole lot of baggers lied about their income and  2pooped2pop   Oct-25-11 06:55 AM   #92 
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  - Thank you. - Posting again this call to unity.  woo me with science   Oct-24-11 10:39 AM   #61 
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  - +1000  geardaddy   Oct-24-11 12:08 PM   #76 
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  - K&R!!!  KansDem   Oct-24-11 12:47 PM   #78 
  - Liked on FB  Beavker   Oct-24-11 02:12 PM   #79 
  - Though this is a great graphic, it is partisan  dreamnightwind   Oct-24-11 02:21 PM   #80 
  - I disagree with you. I think the graphic is factual, as are others posted within the thread. /nt  October   Oct-24-11 02:32 PM   #81 
  - #OWS  sweetapogee   Oct-25-11 09:17 AM   #93 
  - Fucking love it! n/t  Fantastic Anarchist   Oct-24-11 02:58 PM   #82 
  - Compare and contrast at its finest hour!  RedCloud   Oct-24-11 03:21 PM   #84 
  - K&R n/t  GigiMommy   Oct-24-11 04:44 PM   #87 
  - LOVE THIS!!!  calimary   Oct-24-11 06:01 PM   #89 

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