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75. What the Emperor said...
Edited on Fri Oct-21-11 07:22 PM by aikoaiko

... Despite the best that has been done by everyonethe gallant fighting of the military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of Our servants of the State, and the devoted service of Our one hundred million peoplethe war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest.

Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.

Such being the case, how are We to save the millions of Our subjects, or to atone Ourselves before the hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors? This is the reason why We have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the Joint Declaration of the Powers.

The hardships and sufferings to which Our nation is to be subjected hereafter will be certainly great. We are keenly aware of the inmost feelings of all of you, Our subjects. However, it is according to the dictates of time and fate that We have resolved to pave the way for a grand peace for all the generations to come by enduring the unendurable and suffering what is unsufferable.
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  -An act we never faced up to. Dropping two atomic bombs on Japan. Cyrano  Oct-21-11 04:58 PM   #0 
  - I faced up to it long ago.  Donny   Oct-21-11 05:00 PM   #1 
  - I was 12 years old and am ashamed to admit we all cheered when we heard about the bombings. It  virgogal   Oct-21-11 05:03 PM   #2 
  - I'm 60 years old. I'm not in the least ashamed to admit that I probably would not be here ...  11 Bravo   Oct-21-11 10:07 PM   #82 
     - Glad you're here. The Japanese would have fought to the last man and  virgogal   Oct-22-11 07:33 PM   #84 
  - Total war is a myth. The US intentionally targeted innocent people. nt  ZombieHorde   Oct-21-11 05:05 PM   #3 
  - I'm always amamzed how the standard lie goes unquestioned.  Scruffy1   Oct-21-11 05:18 PM   #7 
  - Operation Olympic  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Oct-21-11 05:20 PM   #8 
  - You believe the American military had no invasion plan for Japan?  Throd   Oct-21-11 05:33 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-21-11 05:40 PM   #25 
  - Actually, the lie here is yours.  TheWraith   Oct-21-11 05:55 PM   #51 
  - Atomic bombs hadn't been tested on living cities.  hunter   Oct-22-11 08:24 PM   #85 
  - My father was a  Mendocino   Oct-22-11 09:29 PM   #87 
  - Who did the Japanese target, hmmm?  Romulox   Oct-21-11 05:34 PM   #17 
     - Our Navy?  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:38 PM   #21 
     - Oh dear. You seem to be unaware of Imperial Japan's genocide on the Asian mainland.  Romulox   Oct-21-11 05:46 PM   #36 
     - They targeted civilians. How do you feel about that?  ZombieHorde   Oct-21-11 07:24 PM   #76 
        - War industries, naval shipyards, and military depots.  Spider Jerusalem   Oct-23-11 05:02 AM   #92 
           - What do you use as your moral compass? How do you determine right from wrong? nt  ZombieHorde   Oct-23-11 04:10 PM   #95 
  - Hiroshima and Nagasaki where crimes against humanity.  Youth Uprising   Oct-21-11 05:12 PM   #4 
  - Exactly...and as a warning to Stalin.  AnOhioan   Oct-21-11 05:22 PM   #9 
  - And to prevent Stalin and his Red Chinese buddies from getting all of China before Japan surrendered  JVS   Oct-21-11 05:54 PM   #49 
  - What do you think Germany or Japan would have done  doc03   Oct-21-11 05:34 PM   #15 
  - You didn't read the entire OP, did you? Arguing for an imagined future is specious.  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:39 PM   #23 
  - Say I killed a few families with some new biochemical blight.  themadstork   Oct-21-11 05:57 PM   #53 
  - +1... anyone think Hitler would have spared London, or NYC?  JCMach1   Oct-23-11 04:17 AM   #90 
  - Oh God... you did it twice...  Cid_B   Oct-21-11 05:54 PM   #48 
  - How about not nuking...period?  Wait Wut   Oct-21-11 05:14 PM   #5 
  - I can understand the mother's position.  Nye Bevan   Oct-21-11 05:45 PM   #34 
     - Actually, I felt bad for her.  Wait Wut   Oct-21-11 06:08 PM   #59 
     - lol. Well played....  cliffordu   Oct-23-11 04:13 PM   #96 
  - My opinion has always been  MicaelS   Oct-21-11 05:17 PM   #6 
  - This pretty much covers my thinking on the subject, and has the added benefit of being historically  apocalypsehow   Oct-21-11 05:30 PM   #11 
  - Yep. I agree completely.  cliffordu   Oct-21-11 05:35 PM   #18 
  - +1000000  csziggy   Oct-21-11 05:42 PM   #28 
  - +1. Firebombings killed more people anyway, so it is essentially arbitrary.  fishbulb703   Oct-21-11 05:52 PM   #46 
  - +1001.  closeupready   Oct-21-11 05:58 PM   #54 
  - Exellent post  pintobean   Oct-21-11 06:18 PM   #63 
  - Eisenhower thought that dropping those bombs was wrong.  MannyGoldstein   Oct-21-11 05:26 PM   #10 
  - I would have authorized one, against a much smaller city...  Rabblevox   Oct-21-11 05:30 PM   #12 
  - Well, those innocent civilians of "a much smaller city" just don't count, do they?  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:41 PM   #26 
     - So you would have preferred a ground war? I can only assume you've never had a loved one...  Rabblevox   Oct-21-11 05:51 PM   #44 
        - His not wearing a uniform means murdering civilians is okeydokes?  themadstork   Oct-21-11 06:06 PM   #58 
           - No, of course not. But it DOES mean that if you have never been in combat, you should tread...  Rabblevox   Oct-21-11 06:16 PM   #62 
              - Don't really buy this. People are always trying to put whatever absurd requirements on  themadstork   Oct-21-11 07:10 PM   #73 
                 - Do you know WHY the Japanese did what they did?  comtec   Oct-21-11 07:40 PM   #78 
                    - How is this a response to what I said?  themadstork   Oct-21-11 09:29 PM   #79 
  - What were your friend's thoughts on the Rape of Nanking?  Romulox   Oct-21-11 05:33 PM   #14 
  - What's your point? One war crime deserves another? Awesome logic, there!  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:42 PM   #27 
     - I wanted to hear this wise man's FULL perspective on the war. Seems he didn't look that deep.  Romulox   Oct-21-11 05:45 PM   #33 
        - You wanted an essay, maybe? (Your disingenuousness is painfully obvious.)  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:47 PM   #37 
           - You are over-emotive and under-informed on this subject, it would seem. nt  Romulox   Oct-21-11 05:48 PM   #40 
  - You should be on how Thanksgiving celebrates genocide against Native Americans now.  slackmaster   Oct-21-11 05:34 PM   #16 
  - Yep - lol....  cliffordu   Oct-21-11 05:37 PM   #19 
  - That's why I make my special pecan pie!  Throd   Oct-21-11 05:39 PM   #24 
  - Laughing about the FACT of genocide against indigenous peoples? For the sake of myth and turkey?  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:44 PM   #31 
     - Who's laughing?  slackmaster   Oct-21-11 05:49 PM   #42 
     - Not laughing at genocide, just amused by the annual hand-wringing at DU.  Throd   Oct-21-11 05:51 PM   #45 
  - I think, whatever the ostensible reason, it's pretty evident that both bombings were war crimes.  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:37 PM   #20 
  - The atomic bombs definitely saved Japanese and American lives.  JVS   Oct-21-11 05:38 PM   #22 
  - What about "deliberately killing civilians is a war crime" do you not get?  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:43 PM   #29 
     - The part where they deliberately targeted civilians.  JVS   Oct-21-11 05:51 PM   #43 
     - The notion that civilians are innocent and off limits in wartime went out the door  DinahMoeHum   Oct-21-11 05:56 PM   #52 
     - Any other laws you want to declare nonexistent?  themadstork   Oct-21-11 06:03 PM   #56 
     - Name the recent (last 100 years) war that did not involve it  quaker bill   Oct-21-11 06:31 PM   #69 
  - Shameful to see those still trying to justify it to themselves.  themadstork   Oct-21-11 05:43 PM   #30 
  - We face up to it every August  taterguy   Oct-21-11 05:45 PM   #32 
  - Yeah, this thread is 2 months out of season.  JVS   Oct-21-11 05:52 PM   #47 
     - And I, for one, don't play this guilt-tripping crap.  DinahMoeHum   Oct-21-11 07:00 PM   #72 
  - Ya gotta love the "we had to commit war crimes to stop the evil war criminals" argument.  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:46 PM   #35 
  - This is not a contest based on volume of comments. nt  Romulox   Oct-21-11 05:47 PM   #38 
     - You can stop any time!  WinkyDink   Oct-21-11 05:49 PM   #41 
  - well stated  G_j   Oct-21-11 05:47 PM   #39 
  - Given the circumstances at the time, it was a correct decision.  closeupready   Oct-21-11 05:55 PM   #50 
  - Thank you! My sentiments as well.  DinahMoeHum   Oct-21-11 06:01 PM   #55 
  - I've never understood why densely populated cities were chosen  polly7   Oct-21-11 06:03 PM   #57 
  - Easy. More dead people.  Zanzoobar   Oct-21-11 06:15 PM   #61 
     - Obviously. What made them so sure Japan would surrender because  polly7   Oct-21-11 06:21 PM   #64 
        - Which military bases would you have recommended nuking?  Zanzoobar   Oct-21-11 06:26 PM   #68 
  - Consider Hiroshima the demonstration.  Zanzoobar   Oct-21-11 06:15 PM   #60 
  - Two months too late  izquierdista   Oct-21-11 06:21 PM   #65 
  - Your post is 36 minutes late . . .  taterguy   Oct-21-11 06:32 PM   #70 
     - Your post is 40 minutes late  Zanzoobar   Oct-21-11 06:35 PM   #71 
  - They sell their shit here tariff free.....  ingac70   Oct-21-11 06:23 PM   #66 
  - Hindsight is 20/20.  MrSlayer   Oct-21-11 06:25 PM   #67 
  - My father fought in WWII and if he were sent to invade Japan I might not be here  Motown_Johnny   Oct-21-11 07:17 PM   #74 
  - What the Emperor said...  aikoaiko   Oct-21-11 07:21 PM   #75 
  - Lucky for the world people like you were not in charge in 1945 n/t  Meeker Morgan   Oct-21-11 07:27 PM   #77 
  - Consider Okinawa a prelude...  BlueCheese   Oct-21-11 09:52 PM   #80 
  - The firebombing campaign was even more disgusting if that's possible.  Bonobo   Oct-21-11 09:55 PM   #81 
  - I mourn...  foreigncorrespondent   Oct-21-11 10:09 PM   #83 
  - First: yes, they did drop leaflets on the targets warning them days in advance that utter  apocalypsehow   Oct-23-11 02:47 AM   #89 
  - Hundreds of thousands of infantrymen would have died if not for those bombs.  tabasco   Oct-22-11 08:28 PM   #86 
  - The war needed to end. Truman made the right decision.  tritsofme   Oct-22-11 09:32 PM   #88 
  - +1 even Truman might have decided differently after the fact...  JCMach1   Oct-23-11 04:18 AM   #91 
  - My opinion?  Comrade Richard   Oct-23-11 05:17 AM   #93 
  - many factors  melm00se   Oct-23-11 05:37 AM   #94 
  - The mass firebombing of cities was far more horrible than the nukes.  Odin2005   Oct-23-11 04:19 PM   #97 

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