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| 66. They sell their shit here tariff free..... |
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We've paid for it enough.
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| -An act we never faced up to. Dropping two atomic bombs on Japan. |
Cyrano |
Oct-21-11 04:58 PM |
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I faced up to it long ago. |
Donny |
Oct-21-11 05:00 PM |
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I was 12 years old and am ashamed to admit we all cheered when we heard about the bombings. It |
virgogal |
Oct-21-11 05:03 PM |
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I'm 60 years old. I'm not in the least ashamed to admit that I probably would not be here ... |
11 Bravo |
Oct-21-11 10:07 PM |
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Glad you're here. The Japanese would have fought to the last man and |
virgogal |
Oct-22-11 07:33 PM |
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Total war is a myth. The US intentionally targeted innocent people. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-21-11 05:05 PM |
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I'm always amamzed how the standard lie goes unquestioned. |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-21-11 05:18 PM |
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Operation Olympic |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Oct-21-11 05:20 PM |
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You believe the American military had no invasion plan for Japan? |
Throd |
Oct-21-11 05:33 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-21-11 05:40 PM |
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Actually, the lie here is yours. |
TheWraith |
Oct-21-11 05:55 PM |
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Atomic bombs hadn't been tested on living cities. |
hunter |
Oct-22-11 08:24 PM |
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My father was a |
Mendocino |
Oct-22-11 09:29 PM |
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Who did the Japanese target, hmmm? |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 05:34 PM |
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Our Navy? |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:38 PM |
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Oh dear. You seem to be unaware of Imperial Japan's genocide on the Asian mainland. |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 05:46 PM |
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They targeted civilians. How do you feel about that? |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-21-11 07:24 PM |
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War industries, naval shipyards, and military depots. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Oct-23-11 05:02 AM |
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What do you use as your moral compass? How do you determine right from wrong? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-23-11 04:10 PM |
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki where crimes against humanity. |
Youth Uprising |
Oct-21-11 05:12 PM |
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Exactly...and as a warning to Stalin. |
AnOhioan |
Oct-21-11 05:22 PM |
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And to prevent Stalin and his Red Chinese buddies from getting all of China before Japan surrendered |
JVS |
Oct-21-11 05:54 PM |
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What do you think Germany or Japan would have done |
doc03 |
Oct-21-11 05:34 PM |
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You didn't read the entire OP, did you? Arguing for an imagined future is specious. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:39 PM |
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Say I killed a few families with some new biochemical blight. |
themadstork |
Oct-21-11 05:57 PM |
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+1... anyone think Hitler would have spared London, or NYC? |
JCMach1 |
Oct-23-11 04:17 AM |
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Oh God... you did it twice... |
Cid_B |
Oct-21-11 05:54 PM |
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How about not nuking...period? |
Wait Wut |
Oct-21-11 05:14 PM |
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I can understand the mother's position. |
Nye Bevan |
Oct-21-11 05:45 PM |
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Actually, I felt bad for her. |
Wait Wut |
Oct-21-11 06:08 PM |
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lol. Well played.... |
cliffordu |
Oct-23-11 04:13 PM |
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My opinion has always been |
MicaelS |
Oct-21-11 05:17 PM |
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This pretty much covers my thinking on the subject, and has the added benefit of being historically |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-21-11 05:30 PM |
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Yep. I agree completely. |
cliffordu |
Oct-21-11 05:35 PM |
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+1000000 |
csziggy |
Oct-21-11 05:42 PM |
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+1. Firebombings killed more people anyway, so it is essentially arbitrary. |
fishbulb703 |
Oct-21-11 05:52 PM |
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+1001. |
closeupready |
Oct-21-11 05:58 PM |
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Exellent post |
pintobean |
Oct-21-11 06:18 PM |
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Eisenhower thought that dropping those bombs was wrong. |
MannyGoldstein |
Oct-21-11 05:26 PM |
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I would have authorized one, against a much smaller city... |
Rabblevox |
Oct-21-11 05:30 PM |
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Well, those innocent civilians of "a much smaller city" just don't count, do they? |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:41 PM |
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So you would have preferred a ground war? I can only assume you've never had a loved one... |
Rabblevox |
Oct-21-11 05:51 PM |
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His not wearing a uniform means murdering civilians is okeydokes? |
themadstork |
Oct-21-11 06:06 PM |
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No, of course not. But it DOES mean that if you have never been in combat, you should tread... |
Rabblevox |
Oct-21-11 06:16 PM |
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Don't really buy this. People are always trying to put whatever absurd requirements on |
themadstork |
Oct-21-11 07:10 PM |
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Do you know WHY the Japanese did what they did? |
comtec |
Oct-21-11 07:40 PM |
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How is this a response to what I said? |
themadstork |
Oct-21-11 09:29 PM |
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What were your friend's thoughts on the Rape of Nanking? |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 05:33 PM |
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What's your point? One war crime deserves another? Awesome logic, there! |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:42 PM |
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I wanted to hear this wise man's FULL perspective on the war. Seems he didn't look that deep. |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 05:45 PM |
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You wanted an essay, maybe? (Your disingenuousness is painfully obvious.) |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:47 PM |
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You are over-emotive and under-informed on this subject, it would seem. nt |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 05:48 PM |
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You should be on how Thanksgiving celebrates genocide against Native Americans now. |
slackmaster |
Oct-21-11 05:34 PM |
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Yep - lol.... |
cliffordu |
Oct-21-11 05:37 PM |
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That's why I make my special pecan pie! |
Throd |
Oct-21-11 05:39 PM |
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Laughing about the FACT of genocide against indigenous peoples? For the sake of myth and turkey? |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:44 PM |
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Who's laughing? |
slackmaster |
Oct-21-11 05:49 PM |
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Not laughing at genocide, just amused by the annual hand-wringing at DU. |
Throd |
Oct-21-11 05:51 PM |
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I think, whatever the ostensible reason, it's pretty evident that both bombings were war crimes. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:37 PM |
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The atomic bombs definitely saved Japanese and American lives. |
JVS |
Oct-21-11 05:38 PM |
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What about "deliberately killing civilians is a war crime" do you not get? |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:43 PM |
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The part where they deliberately targeted civilians. |
JVS |
Oct-21-11 05:51 PM |
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The notion that civilians are innocent and off limits in wartime went out the door |
DinahMoeHum |
Oct-21-11 05:56 PM |
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Any other laws you want to declare nonexistent? |
themadstork |
Oct-21-11 06:03 PM |
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Name the recent (last 100 years) war that did not involve it |
quaker bill |
Oct-21-11 06:31 PM |
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Shameful to see those still trying to justify it to themselves. |
themadstork |
Oct-21-11 05:43 PM |
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We face up to it every August |
taterguy |
Oct-21-11 05:45 PM |
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Yeah, this thread is 2 months out of season. |
JVS |
Oct-21-11 05:52 PM |
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And I, for one, don't play this guilt-tripping crap. |
DinahMoeHum |
Oct-21-11 07:00 PM |
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Ya gotta love the "we had to commit war crimes to stop the evil war criminals" argument. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:46 PM |
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This is not a contest based on volume of comments. nt |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 05:47 PM |
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You can stop any time! |
WinkyDink |
Oct-21-11 05:49 PM |
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well stated |
G_j |
Oct-21-11 05:47 PM |
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Given the circumstances at the time, it was a correct decision. |
closeupready |
Oct-21-11 05:55 PM |
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Thank you! My sentiments as well. |
DinahMoeHum |
Oct-21-11 06:01 PM |
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I've never understood why densely populated cities were chosen |
polly7 |
Oct-21-11 06:03 PM |
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Easy. More dead people. |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-21-11 06:15 PM |
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Obviously. What made them so sure Japan would surrender because |
polly7 |
Oct-21-11 06:21 PM |
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Which military bases would you have recommended nuking? |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-21-11 06:26 PM |
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Consider Hiroshima the demonstration. |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-21-11 06:15 PM |
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Two months too late |
izquierdista |
Oct-21-11 06:21 PM |
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Your post is 36 minutes late . . . |
taterguy |
Oct-21-11 06:32 PM |
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Your post is 40 minutes late |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-21-11 06:35 PM |
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They sell their shit here tariff free..... |
ingac70 |
Oct-21-11 06:23 PM |
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Hindsight is 20/20. |
MrSlayer |
Oct-21-11 06:25 PM |
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My father fought in WWII and if he were sent to invade Japan I might not be here |
Motown_Johnny |
Oct-21-11 07:17 PM |
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What the Emperor said... |
aikoaiko |
Oct-21-11 07:21 PM |
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Lucky for the world people like you were not in charge in 1945 n/t |
Meeker Morgan |
Oct-21-11 07:27 PM |
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Consider Okinawa a prelude... |
BlueCheese |
Oct-21-11 09:52 PM |
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The firebombing campaign was even more disgusting if that's possible. |
Bonobo |
Oct-21-11 09:55 PM |
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I mourn... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Oct-21-11 10:09 PM |
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First: yes, they did drop leaflets on the targets warning them days in advance that utter |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-23-11 02:47 AM |
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Hundreds of thousands of infantrymen would have died if not for those bombs. |
tabasco |
Oct-22-11 08:28 PM |
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The war needed to end. Truman made the right decision. |
tritsofme |
Oct-22-11 09:32 PM |
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+1 even Truman might have decided differently after the fact... |
JCMach1 |
Oct-23-11 04:18 AM |
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My opinion? |
Comrade Richard |
Oct-23-11 05:17 AM |
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many factors |
melm00se |
Oct-23-11 05:37 AM |
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The mass firebombing of cities was far more horrible than the nukes. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-23-11 04:19 PM |
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