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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. Right -- expected, but suboptimal
History is fraught with expected suboptimality.
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  -If you'd had the opportunity to kill Hitler back in the '40s, would you have done it? Bake  Oct-20-11 06:13 PM   #0 
  - Yup.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Oct-20-11 06:15 PM   #1 
  - Yes  Ohio Joe   Oct-20-11 06:15 PM   #2 
  - You go back far enough and just start paying a lot of money for his paintings.  Ian David   Oct-20-11 06:16 PM   #3 
  - the problem is, there was a lot of shit bubbling up in German society then  Warren DeMontague   Oct-20-11 07:15 PM   #52 
     - In other words, someone else might have become Hitler. Maybe El Guapo would have been Hitler. n/t  Ian David   Oct-20-11 09:32 PM   #88 
     - You mean the villain from the movie "The Three Amigos"?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-21-11 03:39 AM   #97 
        - Si. n/t  Ian David   Oct-21-11 06:46 AM   #101 
     - That is the essential problem. You might kill Hitler, then find Himmler in the top seat.  TheWraith   Oct-21-11 03:35 PM   #134 
  - No  zappaman   Oct-20-11 06:17 PM   #4 
  - Lol!  whatchamacallit   Oct-20-11 06:30 PM   #11 
  - Don't forget he was a vegan.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Oct-20-11 11:08 PM   #92 
  - Should we have a vote...  pinboy3niner   Oct-20-11 11:17 PM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-20-11 06:22 PM   #5 
  - On one condition...  Wait Wut   Oct-20-11 06:26 PM   #6 
  - That makes you  Kaleko   Oct-20-11 08:04 PM   #70 
     - Bummer  Wait Wut   Oct-21-11 11:43 AM   #116 
        - A clinical psychologist would have to classify you as a psychopath and/or sociopath,  Kaleko   Oct-21-11 02:22 PM   #120 
        - Where did you get your degree?  Wait Wut   Oct-21-11 02:35 PM   #123 
        - Give me a break.  EOTE   Oct-21-11 02:38 PM   #124 
           - You're pretty sure, eh?  Kaleko   Oct-21-11 03:13 PM   #128 
              - Yes, you're damned right.  EOTE   Oct-21-11 03:17 PM   #129 
                 - Wanting to torture any sentient being at all -  Kaleko   Oct-21-11 03:36 PM   #135 
                    - If that's the case, then the majority of people have such an affliction.  EOTE   Oct-21-11 03:49 PM   #136 
                       - "Some people are worthy of torture."  Kaleko   Oct-21-11 04:33 PM   #137 
        - Either you hold yourself to some kind of moral standard  sibelian   Oct-21-11 03:17 PM   #130 
  - Hitler would have had the very same 'leftists'  Ikonoklast   Oct-20-11 06:27 PM   #7 
  - +1000  zappaman   Oct-20-11 06:29 PM   #8 
  - "leftists"  whatchamacallit   Oct-20-11 06:31 PM   #12 
  - People on the Intrawebs can pretend to be anything.  Ikonoklast   Oct-20-11 06:51 PM   #31 
  - So only leftists are 'wringing their hands?' Nice red baiting n/t  leftstreet   Oct-20-11 06:43 PM   #25 
  - No. By the 1940's Hitler had already long before killed or purged all  Zorra   Oct-20-11 09:17 PM   #86 
  - I would've loved to go back and give Prescot Bush's dad a kick in the sack.  NightWatcher   Oct-20-11 06:29 PM   #9 
  - plus a billion  elehhhhna   Oct-20-11 06:32 PM   #14 
  - I'd get in line for that, too!  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:33 PM   #15 
  - +1  AngryOldDem   Oct-21-11 08:25 AM   #106 
  - Don't you mean "Three birds, two stones"?  trotsky   Oct-21-11 08:29 AM   #108 
  - In the 1940s? Absolutely. Easy choice. Let's make it a little trickier...  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 06:29 PM   #10 
  - actually  zappaman   Oct-20-11 06:31 PM   #13 
  - no. he's a child!  elehhhhna   Oct-20-11 06:34 PM   #17 
  - Knowing what we know now? Sure. I'd strangle the little fucker.  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:35 PM   #18 
  - I would give him an LSD laced chocolate bar. It would have changed him for the better....  RagAss   Oct-20-11 06:37 PM   #19 
  - Without a moments hesitation  Ohio Joe   Oct-20-11 06:46 PM   #29 
  - let's try another imagination game... live capture of Hitler in 1945  0rganism   Oct-20-11 06:58 PM   #35 
  - I imagine that Stalin would have *loved* to capture Hitler.  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #43 
     - sure, but let's posit Stalin will send Hitler to Nuremberg for trial  0rganism   Oct-20-11 08:38 PM   #78 
        - I kill him personally, then.  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 09:06 PM   #84 
  - Killing the 6 year old Hitler would have meant nothing.  former9thward   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #47 
  - I don't think The Holocaust was historically inevitable without Hitler.  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 07:17 PM   #56 
     - No they wouldn't. The German ire against Jews was there before Hitler. Hitler bought into  Exilednight   Oct-21-11 05:36 AM   #100 
        - I disagree  Bragi   Oct-21-11 02:55 PM   #127 
  - No, I'd put him in a different family  Ter   Oct-21-11 03:29 PM   #132 
  - know the truth..You are doing hyperbole... Ghadaffi was NO Hitler..  KoKo   Oct-20-11 06:33 PM   #16 
  - I'm not comparing Qaddafi to Hitler.  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:39 PM   #21 
  - Knowing of his evil designs, YES! Gladly!  CTyankee   Oct-20-11 06:38 PM   #20 
  - I enjoy the fact that he committed suicide.  AngkorWot   Oct-20-11 06:40 PM   #22 
  - So we're pretty much agreed that Hitler deserved killing.  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:41 PM   #23 
  - Gaddafi was reported killed by his bodyguard -- presumably on instructions if captured?  defendandprotect   Oct-20-11 06:42 PM   #24 
  - Hitler was killed when a Klieg light fell on him at Area 51  Warren DeMontague   Oct-20-11 06:45 PM   #27 
     - No, he wasn't  zappaman   Oct-20-11 07:01 PM   #39 
        - How long ago did it stop bothering you  dbt   Oct-20-11 08:06 PM   #71 
  - Should have been sooner.....but he got his assassins.  Historic NY   Oct-20-11 06:43 PM   #26 
  - Since time travel is not in the books  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-20-11 06:45 PM   #28 
  - Gaddafi was *executed*, not *assasinated* -- I think that's important  0rganism   Oct-20-11 06:48 PM   #30 
  - I quite agree with the Nuremberg scenario! I'd like to have seen him hung.  Bake   Oct-20-11 07:01 PM   #38 
  - everyone dies eventually, but how we get there matters  0rganism   Oct-20-11 08:19 PM   #75 
  - So I suppose you were against all of the regicide over the centuries?  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 07:07 PM   #42 
     - all of it? i don't know about that, but some of it, yes  0rganism   Oct-20-11 08:13 PM   #73 
        - I'm just saying, it was pretty much an expected outcome.  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 08:25 PM   #77 
           - Right -- expected, but suboptimal  0rganism   Oct-20-11 08:40 PM   #79 
              - As I said, I felt elated that he was captured, numb that he was killed.  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 08:48 PM   #80 
  - Wow, I've seen some crazy stuff here today, but to compare  sabrina 1   Oct-20-11 06:52 PM   #32 
  - Show me where I compare Q to H.  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:59 PM   #37 
  - I don't see a single parallel. You post ed an OP  sabrina 1   Oct-20-11 07:10 PM   #49 
  - Gaddafi invaded several African countries, but you've been informed of this over and over again.  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #45 
     - As well as orchestrated the deaths of thousands...  AngryOldDem   Oct-21-11 08:22 AM   #105 
  - I would have liked to see him at Nuerumberg tried by esteemed and  demosincebirth   Oct-20-11 06:52 PM   #33 
  - Is this a Dr. Who reference.  randome   Oct-20-11 06:55 PM   #34 
  - I would hope I could kill him before he started getting traction with his anti-semitic tirades,  CTyankee   Oct-20-11 06:59 PM   #36 
  - People tried, they failed, unfortunately. He was one lucky son of a bitch.  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 07:05 PM   #40 
  - Personally, I'd have liked to see him captured or assassinated in  polly7   Oct-20-11 07:07 PM   #41 
  - There would be no guarantee that you are in the proper timeline. eom  yawnmaster   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #44 
  - To kill one to possibly save millions yeah  LynneSin   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #46 
  - No. BTW the consensus at the time was not to assassinate him.  rug   Oct-20-11 07:09 PM   #48 
  - I'm A Pacifist. I couldn't take a life. Not even Hitlers.  Pyrzqxgl   Oct-20-11 07:11 PM   #50 
  - So you'd let six million+ die because you can't pull the trigger on one monster?  Bake   Oct-21-11 08:15 AM   #103 
     - It goes back to that "every life is valuable" "every life is special" crap  snooper2   Oct-21-11 09:08 AM   #111 
  - yes.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-20-11 07:12 PM   #51 
  - Interesting the Allies made no serious attempt to kill Hitler.  former9thward   Oct-20-11 07:15 PM   #53 
  - Yup.  Darth_Kitten   Oct-20-11 07:16 PM   #54 
  - Yes.  MoonRiver   Oct-20-11 07:17 PM   #55 
  - Dr. Sam Weizak: I don't like this, John. What are you getting at?  pintobean   Oct-20-11 07:25 PM   #57 
  - Firstly, our nation didn't go around assassinating dictators back then.  Cleita   Oct-20-11 07:27 PM   #58 
  - It would not have been a good thing, though billions of times less bad than what he did.  saras   Oct-20-11 07:28 PM   #59 
  - By the way, I have to credit DinahMoeHum for the "ignoble end" reference!  Bake   Oct-20-11 07:40 PM   #60 
  - You're missing the point. Are we systematically looking at every country and deciding whether  TBF   Oct-20-11 07:40 PM   #61 
  - Someone smart would have taken over and caused more trouble than Hitler did.  Fire Walk With Me   Oct-20-11 07:41 PM   #62 
  - You know I actually got a chance  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-20-11 07:43 PM   #63 
  - Shot him, skewered him, cut his head off, and pissed on his grave.  ncteechur   Oct-20-11 07:46 PM   #64 
  - In A Heartbeat. (n/t)  Paladin   Oct-20-11 07:46 PM   #65 
  - Unless any of us here actually lived throught it, no one can really say...  markpkessinger   Oct-20-11 07:47 PM   #66 
  - Wouild that solution(?) apply to every "leader" who is responsible for the deaths of people?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-20-11 07:48 PM   #67 
  - If you had killed him in late 1940, Germany would probably be constantly on the brink...  JVS   Oct-20-11 07:49 PM   #68 
  - Well, as I said in a thread earlier  hyphenate   Oct-20-11 07:54 PM   #69 
  - In the 40s? For sure. He was a mass murderer. But not when he was a child.  McCamy Taylor   Oct-20-11 08:06 PM   #72 
  - Without Hitler, Germany develops the first nuclear weapons...  hunter   Oct-20-11 08:13 PM   #74 
  - If, as you say, history can be made better or worse by replacing an individual  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 09:10 PM   #85 
  - One man doesn't change history?  Bake   Oct-21-11 08:13 AM   #102 
     - If Thomas Edison had never been born, would we all still be reading by candle light and lanterns?  Douglas Carpenter   Oct-21-11 09:16 AM   #112 
     - you don't know that. eom  yawnmaster   Oct-21-11 03:34 PM   #133 
  - Yes. eom  tawadi   Oct-20-11 08:22 PM   #76 
  - Yep - with my bare hands, a knife or  cliffordu   Oct-20-11 08:49 PM   #81 
  - Frankly I would go back to the 20's and buy his paintings  bengalherder   Oct-20-11 08:56 PM   #82 
  - No. I never sit around thinking about killing people. nt  Modern_Matthew   Oct-20-11 09:00 PM   #83 
  - What if you could have killed his mother before he was born?  Motown_Johnny   Oct-20-11 09:18 PM   #87 
  - Yes.  Luciferous   Oct-20-11 09:33 PM   #89 
  - Yes.  applegrove   Oct-20-11 11:06 PM   #90 
  - Hell yes.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Oct-20-11 11:06 PM   #91 
  - Fuck yes.  sakabatou   Oct-20-11 11:08 PM   #93 
  - If you had the opportunity to kill the OP before he posted this...  pinboy3niner   Oct-20-11 11:12 PM   #94 
  - I'm sure there are some here who would.  Bake   Oct-21-11 08:19 AM   #104 
  - Hitler not making it out of WWI would have been more preferable  MrScorpio   Oct-20-11 11:18 PM   #96 
  - the 40s really would have been closing the barn door after the horse was out  Warren DeMontague   Oct-21-11 03:42 AM   #98 
  - Doesn't answer the question  Tsiyu   Oct-21-11 04:59 AM   #99 
  - Hitler didn't invent anti-semiticism. He didn't do the Holocaust by himself.  raccoon   Oct-21-11 08:28 AM   #107 
  - Agree  Rebubula   Oct-21-11 09:26 AM   #114 
  - The Grandfather Paradox, or Edith Keeler must die  slackmaster   Oct-21-11 08:30 AM   #109 
  - a genocidal leader of a super power on the verge of world domination is not a realistic comparison  Douglas Carpenter   Oct-21-11 08:46 AM   #110 
  - The Problem with this...  Rebubula   Oct-21-11 09:22 AM   #113 
  - no doubt in my mind.. 2 shots to the back of his head  rdking647   Oct-21-11 09:35 AM   #115 
  - Sure, in fact I would have been drafted and ordered to do it.  ThomWV   Oct-21-11 11:50 AM   #117 
  - Without absolute knowledge of the relevant consequences of any one person's death  LanternWaste   Oct-21-11 12:27 PM   #118 
  - +1000 (n/t)  spin   Oct-21-11 12:36 PM   #119 
  - I'd put him on trial with the rest of the Nazis  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-11 02:23 PM   #121 
  - I don't know if I have it in me to kill anyone  mrs_p   Oct-21-11 02:23 PM   #122 
  - I would have done it quite happily. No doubt, no regret. Nt  DevonRex   Oct-21-11 02:38 PM   #125 
  - Godwin in 1.  Iggo   Oct-21-11 02:41 PM   #126 
  - Way too late  Ter   Oct-21-11 03:27 PM   # 
  - Way too late  Ter   Oct-21-11 03:27 PM   #131 
  - nope. i'd be a hypocrite if i said i would.  elana i am   Oct-21-11 04:54 PM   #138 
  - No, because I was just a child at that time. n/t  RebelOne   Oct-21-11 05:05 PM   #139 
  - I hated Japs and Nazis at that time!  oldlib   Oct-21-11 05:07 PM   #140 

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