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74. Without Hitler, Germany develops the first nuclear weapons...
... and the U.S.A., Japan, and the Soviet Union, knowing it's possible after witnessing the atomic bombing of London, soon follow.

If you thought World War II sucked, alternate history World War II with thousands of nuclear weapons built fast and furious using leaky, hastily constructed plutonium production reactors .... well that sucks worse.

Truth is we don't know if killing Hitler would have improved the situation. It's just as likely it would have made the situation worse. Maybe having a criminally insane drug addicted megalomaniac as a leader greatly handicapped the Nazis.

I don't think any one man changes history. If one leader is removed, another will take his place -- maybe for better, maybe for worse.

Qaddafi lost everything he was weeks ago. His actual death is a footnote.



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  -If you'd had the opportunity to kill Hitler back in the '40s, would you have done it? Bake  Oct-20-11 06:13 PM   #0 
  - Yup.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Oct-20-11 06:15 PM   #1 
  - Yes  Ohio Joe   Oct-20-11 06:15 PM   #2 
  - You go back far enough and just start paying a lot of money for his paintings.  Ian David   Oct-20-11 06:16 PM   #3 
  - the problem is, there was a lot of shit bubbling up in German society then  Warren DeMontague   Oct-20-11 07:15 PM   #52 
     - In other words, someone else might have become Hitler. Maybe El Guapo would have been Hitler. n/t  Ian David   Oct-20-11 09:32 PM   #88 
     - You mean the villain from the movie "The Three Amigos"?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-21-11 03:39 AM   #97 
        - Si. n/t  Ian David   Oct-21-11 06:46 AM   #101 
     - That is the essential problem. You might kill Hitler, then find Himmler in the top seat.  TheWraith   Oct-21-11 03:35 PM   #134 
  - No  zappaman   Oct-20-11 06:17 PM   #4 
  - Lol!  whatchamacallit   Oct-20-11 06:30 PM   #11 
  - Don't forget he was a vegan.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Oct-20-11 11:08 PM   #92 
  - Should we have a vote...  pinboy3niner   Oct-20-11 11:17 PM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-20-11 06:22 PM   #5 
  - On one condition...  Wait Wut   Oct-20-11 06:26 PM   #6 
  - That makes you  Kaleko   Oct-20-11 08:04 PM   #70 
     - Bummer  Wait Wut   Oct-21-11 11:43 AM   #116 
        - A clinical psychologist would have to classify you as a psychopath and/or sociopath,  Kaleko   Oct-21-11 02:22 PM   #120 
        - Where did you get your degree?  Wait Wut   Oct-21-11 02:35 PM   #123 
        - Give me a break.  EOTE   Oct-21-11 02:38 PM   #124 
           - You're pretty sure, eh?  Kaleko   Oct-21-11 03:13 PM   #128 
              - Yes, you're damned right.  EOTE   Oct-21-11 03:17 PM   #129 
                 - Wanting to torture any sentient being at all -  Kaleko   Oct-21-11 03:36 PM   #135 
                    - If that's the case, then the majority of people have such an affliction.  EOTE   Oct-21-11 03:49 PM   #136 
                       - "Some people are worthy of torture."  Kaleko   Oct-21-11 04:33 PM   #137 
        - Either you hold yourself to some kind of moral standard  sibelian   Oct-21-11 03:17 PM   #130 
  - Hitler would have had the very same 'leftists'  Ikonoklast   Oct-20-11 06:27 PM   #7 
  - +1000  zappaman   Oct-20-11 06:29 PM   #8 
  - "leftists"  whatchamacallit   Oct-20-11 06:31 PM   #12 
  - People on the Intrawebs can pretend to be anything.  Ikonoklast   Oct-20-11 06:51 PM   #31 
  - So only leftists are 'wringing their hands?' Nice red baiting n/t  leftstreet   Oct-20-11 06:43 PM   #25 
  - No. By the 1940's Hitler had already long before killed or purged all  Zorra   Oct-20-11 09:17 PM   #86 
  - I would've loved to go back and give Prescot Bush's dad a kick in the sack.  NightWatcher   Oct-20-11 06:29 PM   #9 
  - plus a billion  elehhhhna   Oct-20-11 06:32 PM   #14 
  - I'd get in line for that, too!  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:33 PM   #15 
  - +1  AngryOldDem   Oct-21-11 08:25 AM   #106 
  - Don't you mean "Three birds, two stones"?  trotsky   Oct-21-11 08:29 AM   #108 
  - In the 1940s? Absolutely. Easy choice. Let's make it a little trickier...  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 06:29 PM   #10 
  - actually  zappaman   Oct-20-11 06:31 PM   #13 
  - no. he's a child!  elehhhhna   Oct-20-11 06:34 PM   #17 
  - Knowing what we know now? Sure. I'd strangle the little fucker.  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:35 PM   #18 
  - I would give him an LSD laced chocolate bar. It would have changed him for the better....  RagAss   Oct-20-11 06:37 PM   #19 
  - Without a moments hesitation  Ohio Joe   Oct-20-11 06:46 PM   #29 
  - let's try another imagination game... live capture of Hitler in 1945  0rganism   Oct-20-11 06:58 PM   #35 
  - I imagine that Stalin would have *loved* to capture Hitler.  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #43 
     - sure, but let's posit Stalin will send Hitler to Nuremberg for trial  0rganism   Oct-20-11 08:38 PM   #78 
        - I kill him personally, then.  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 09:06 PM   #84 
  - Killing the 6 year old Hitler would have meant nothing.  former9thward   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #47 
  - I don't think The Holocaust was historically inevitable without Hitler.  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 07:17 PM   #56 
     - No they wouldn't. The German ire against Jews was there before Hitler. Hitler bought into  Exilednight   Oct-21-11 05:36 AM   #100 
        - I disagree  Bragi   Oct-21-11 02:55 PM   #127 
  - No, I'd put him in a different family  Ter   Oct-21-11 03:29 PM   #132 
  - Bake...you know the truth..You are doing hyperbole... Ghadaffi was NO Hitler..  KoKo   Oct-20-11 06:33 PM   #16 
  - I'm not comparing Qaddafi to Hitler.  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:39 PM   #21 
  - Knowing of his evil designs, YES! Gladly!  CTyankee   Oct-20-11 06:38 PM   #20 
  - I enjoy the fact that he committed suicide.  AngkorWot   Oct-20-11 06:40 PM   #22 
  - So we're pretty much agreed that Hitler deserved killing.  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:41 PM   #23 
  - Gaddafi was reported killed by his bodyguard -- presumably on instructions if captured?  defendandprotect   Oct-20-11 06:42 PM   #24 
  - Hitler was killed when a Klieg light fell on him at Area 51  Warren DeMontague   Oct-20-11 06:45 PM   #27 
     - No, he wasn't  zappaman   Oct-20-11 07:01 PM   #39 
        - How long ago did it stop bothering you  dbt   Oct-20-11 08:06 PM   #71 
  - Should have been sooner.....but he got his assassins.  Historic NY   Oct-20-11 06:43 PM   #26 
  - Since time travel is not in the books  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-20-11 06:45 PM   #28 
  - Gaddafi was *executed*, not *assasinated* -- I think that's important  0rganism   Oct-20-11 06:48 PM   #30 
  - I quite agree with the Nuremberg scenario! I'd like to have seen him hung.  Bake   Oct-20-11 07:01 PM   #38 
  - everyone dies eventually, but how we get there matters  0rganism   Oct-20-11 08:19 PM   #75 
  - So I suppose you were against all of the regicide over the centuries?  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 07:07 PM   #42 
     - all of it? i don't know about that, but some of it, yes  0rganism   Oct-20-11 08:13 PM   #73 
        - I'm just saying, it was pretty much an expected outcome.  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 08:25 PM   #77 
           - Right -- expected, but suboptimal  0rganism   Oct-20-11 08:40 PM   #79 
              - As I said, I felt elated that he was captured, numb that he was killed.  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 08:48 PM   #80 
  - Wow, I've seen some crazy stuff here today, but to compare  sabrina 1   Oct-20-11 06:52 PM   #32 
  - Show me where I compare Q to H.  Bake   Oct-20-11 06:59 PM   #37 
  - I don't see a single parallel. You post ed an OP  sabrina 1   Oct-20-11 07:10 PM   #49 
  - Gaddafi invaded several African countries, but you've been informed of this over and over again.  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #45 
     - As well as orchestrated the deaths of thousands...  AngryOldDem   Oct-21-11 08:22 AM   #105 
  - I would have liked to see him at Nuerumberg tried by esteemed and  demosincebirth   Oct-20-11 06:52 PM   #33 
  - Is this a Dr. Who reference.  randome   Oct-20-11 06:55 PM   #34 
  - I would hope I could kill him before he started getting traction with his anti-semitic tirades,  CTyankee   Oct-20-11 06:59 PM   #36 
  - People tried, they failed, unfortunately. He was one lucky son of a bitch.  joshcryer   Oct-20-11 07:05 PM   #40 
  - Personally, I'd have liked to see him captured or assassinated in  polly7   Oct-20-11 07:07 PM   #41 
  - There would be no guarantee that you are in the proper timeline. eom  yawnmaster   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #44 
  - To kill one to possibly save millions yeah  LynneSin   Oct-20-11 07:08 PM   #46 
  - No. BTW the consensus at the time was not to assassinate him.  rug   Oct-20-11 07:09 PM   #48 
  - I'm A Pacifist. I couldn't take a life. Not even Hitlers.  Pyrzqxgl   Oct-20-11 07:11 PM   #50 
  - So you'd let six million+ die because you can't pull the trigger on one monster?  Bake   Oct-21-11 08:15 AM   #103 
     - It goes back to that "every life is valuable" "every life is special" crap  snooper2   Oct-21-11 09:08 AM   #111 
  - yes.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-20-11 07:12 PM   #51 
  - Interesting the Allies made no serious attempt to kill Hitler.  former9thward   Oct-20-11 07:15 PM   #53 
  - Yup.  Darth_Kitten   Oct-20-11 07:16 PM   #54 
  - Yes.  MoonRiver   Oct-20-11 07:17 PM   #55 
  - Dr. Sam Weizak: I don't like this, John. What are you getting at?  pintobean   Oct-20-11 07:25 PM   #57 
  - Firstly, our nation didn't go around assassinating dictators back then.  Cleita   Oct-20-11 07:27 PM   #58 
  - It would not have been a good thing, though billions of times less bad than what he did.  saras   Oct-20-11 07:28 PM   #59 
  - By the way, I have to credit DinahMoeHum for the "ignoble end" reference!  Bake   Oct-20-11 07:40 PM   #60 
  - You're missing the point. Are we systematically looking at every country and deciding whether  TBF   Oct-20-11 07:40 PM   #61 
  - Someone smart would have taken over and caused more trouble than Hitler did.  Fire Walk With Me   Oct-20-11 07:41 PM   #62 
  - You know I actually got a chance  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-20-11 07:43 PM   #63 
  - Shot him, skewered him, cut his head off, and pissed on his grave.  ncteechur   Oct-20-11 07:46 PM   #64 
  - In A Heartbeat. (n/t)  Paladin   Oct-20-11 07:46 PM   #65 
  - Unless any of us here actually lived throught it, no one can really say...  markpkessinger   Oct-20-11 07:47 PM   #66 
  - Wouild that solution(?) apply to every "leader" who is responsible for the deaths of people?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-20-11 07:48 PM   #67 
  - If you had killed him in late 1940, Germany would probably be constantly on the brink...  JVS   Oct-20-11 07:49 PM   #68 
  - Well, as I said in a thread earlier  hyphenate   Oct-20-11 07:54 PM   #69 
  - In the 40s? For sure. He was a mass murderer. But not when he was a child.  McCamy Taylor   Oct-20-11 08:06 PM   #72 
  - Without Hitler, Germany develops the first nuclear weapons...  hunter   Oct-20-11 08:13 PM   #74 
  - If, as you say, history can be made better or worse by replacing an individual  Abin Sur   Oct-20-11 09:10 PM   #85 
  - One man doesn't change history?  Bake   Oct-21-11 08:13 AM   #102 
     - If Thomas Edison had never been born, would we all still be reading by candle light and lanterns?  Douglas Carpenter   Oct-21-11 09:16 AM   #112 
     - you don't know that. eom  yawnmaster   Oct-21-11 03:34 PM   #133 
  - Yes. eom  tawadi   Oct-20-11 08:22 PM   #76 
  - Yep - with my bare hands, a knife or  cliffordu   Oct-20-11 08:49 PM   #81 
  - Frankly I would go back to the 20's and buy his paintings  bengalherder   Oct-20-11 08:56 PM   #82 
  - No. I never sit around thinking about killing people. nt  Modern_Matthew   Oct-20-11 09:00 PM   #83 
  - What if you could have killed his mother before he was born?  Motown_Johnny   Oct-20-11 09:18 PM   #87 
  - Yes.  Luciferous   Oct-20-11 09:33 PM   #89 
  - Yes.  applegrove   Oct-20-11 11:06 PM   #90 
  - Hell yes.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Oct-20-11 11:06 PM   #91 
  - Fuck yes.  sakabatou   Oct-20-11 11:08 PM   #93 
  - If you had the opportunity to kill the OP before he posted this...  pinboy3niner   Oct-20-11 11:12 PM   #94 
  - I'm sure there are some here who would.  Bake   Oct-21-11 08:19 AM   #104 
  - Hitler not making it out of WWI would have been more preferable  MrScorpio   Oct-20-11 11:18 PM   #96 
  - the 40s really would have been closing the barn door after the horse was out  Warren DeMontague   Oct-21-11 03:42 AM   #98 
  - Doesn't answer the question  Tsiyu   Oct-21-11 04:59 AM   #99 
  - Hitler didn't invent anti-semiticism. He didn't do the Holocaust by himself.  raccoon   Oct-21-11 08:28 AM   #107 
  - Agree  Rebubula   Oct-21-11 09:26 AM   #114 
  - The Grandfather Paradox, or Edith Keeler must die  slackmaster   Oct-21-11 08:30 AM   #109 
  - a genocidal leader of a super power on the verge of world domination is not a realistic comparison  Douglas Carpenter   Oct-21-11 08:46 AM   #110 
  - The Problem with this...  Rebubula   Oct-21-11 09:22 AM   #113 
  - no doubt in my mind.. 2 shots to the back of his head  rdking647   Oct-21-11 09:35 AM   #115 
  - Sure, in fact I would have been drafted and ordered to do it.  ThomWV   Oct-21-11 11:50 AM   #117 
  - Without absolute knowledge of the relevant consequences of any one person's death  LanternWaste   Oct-21-11 12:27 PM   #118 
  - +1000 (n/t)  spin   Oct-21-11 12:36 PM   #119 
  - I'd put him on trial with the rest of the Nazis  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-11 02:23 PM   #121 
  - I don't know if I have it in me to kill anyone  mrs_p   Oct-21-11 02:23 PM   #122 
  - I would have done it quite happily. No doubt, no regret. Nt  DevonRex   Oct-21-11 02:38 PM   #125 
  - Godwin in 1.  Iggo   Oct-21-11 02:41 PM   #126 
  - Way too late  Ter   Oct-21-11 03:27 PM   # 
  - Way too late  Ter   Oct-21-11 03:27 PM   #131 
  - nope. i'd be a hypocrite if i said i would.  elana i am   Oct-21-11 04:54 PM   #138 
  - No, because I was just a child at that time. n/t  RebelOne   Oct-21-11 05:05 PM   #139 
  - I hated Japs and Nazis at that time!  oldlib   Oct-21-11 05:07 PM   #140 
 

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