Warren DeMontague
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Thu Oct-20-11 07:15 PM
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| 52. the problem is, there was a lot of shit bubbling up in German society then |
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It's an interesting thought experiment, because we tend to view much of history through the 'great man' (in this case, greatly evil man') lens, but how much of history is driven by individuals and how much by larger forces?
We don't really know.
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| -If you'd had the opportunity to kill Hitler back in the '40s, would you have done it? |
Bake |
Oct-20-11 06:13 PM |
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Yup. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Oct-20-11 06:15 PM |
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Yes |
Ohio Joe |
Oct-20-11 06:15 PM |
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You go back far enough and just start paying a lot of money for his paintings. |
Ian David |
Oct-20-11 06:16 PM |
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the problem is, there was a lot of shit bubbling up in German society then |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-20-11 07:15 PM |
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In other words, someone else might have become Hitler. Maybe El Guapo would have been Hitler. n/t |
Ian David |
Oct-20-11 09:32 PM |
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You mean the villain from the movie "The Three Amigos"? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-21-11 03:39 AM |
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Si. n/t |
Ian David |
Oct-21-11 06:46 AM |
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That is the essential problem. You might kill Hitler, then find Himmler in the top seat. |
TheWraith |
Oct-21-11 03:35 PM |
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No |
zappaman |
Oct-20-11 06:17 PM |
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Lol! |
whatchamacallit |
Oct-20-11 06:30 PM |
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Don't forget he was a vegan. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Oct-20-11 11:08 PM |
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Should we have a vote... |
pinboy3niner |
Oct-20-11 11:17 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-20-11 06:22 PM |
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On one condition... |
Wait Wut |
Oct-20-11 06:26 PM |
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That makes you |
Kaleko |
Oct-20-11 08:04 PM |
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Bummer |
Wait Wut |
Oct-21-11 11:43 AM |
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A clinical psychologist would have to classify you as a psychopath and/or sociopath, |
Kaleko |
Oct-21-11 02:22 PM |
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Where did you get your degree? |
Wait Wut |
Oct-21-11 02:35 PM |
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Give me a break. |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 02:38 PM |
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You're pretty sure, eh? |
Kaleko |
Oct-21-11 03:13 PM |
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Yes, you're damned right. |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 03:17 PM |
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Wanting to torture any sentient being at all - |
Kaleko |
Oct-21-11 03:36 PM |
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If that's the case, then the majority of people have such an affliction. |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 03:49 PM |
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"Some people are worthy of torture." |
Kaleko |
Oct-21-11 04:33 PM |
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Either you hold yourself to some kind of moral standard |
sibelian |
Oct-21-11 03:17 PM |
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Hitler would have had the very same 'leftists' |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-20-11 06:27 PM |
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+1000 |
zappaman |
Oct-20-11 06:29 PM |
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"leftists" |
whatchamacallit |
Oct-20-11 06:31 PM |
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People on the Intrawebs can pretend to be anything. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-20-11 06:51 PM |
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So only leftists are 'wringing their hands?' Nice red baiting n/t |
leftstreet |
Oct-20-11 06:43 PM |
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No. By the 1940's Hitler had already long before killed or purged all |
Zorra |
Oct-20-11 09:17 PM |
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I would've loved to go back and give Prescot Bush's dad a kick in the sack. |
NightWatcher |
Oct-20-11 06:29 PM |
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plus a billion |
elehhhhna |
Oct-20-11 06:32 PM |
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I'd get in line for that, too! |
Bake |
Oct-20-11 06:33 PM |
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+1 |
AngryOldDem |
Oct-21-11 08:25 AM |
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Don't you mean "Three birds, two stones"? |
trotsky |
Oct-21-11 08:29 AM |
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In the 1940s? Absolutely. Easy choice. Let's make it a little trickier... |
Abin Sur |
Oct-20-11 06:29 PM |
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actually |
zappaman |
Oct-20-11 06:31 PM |
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no. he's a child! |
elehhhhna |
Oct-20-11 06:34 PM |
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Knowing what we know now? Sure. I'd strangle the little fucker. |
Bake |
Oct-20-11 06:35 PM |
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I would give him an LSD laced chocolate bar. It would have changed him for the better.... |
RagAss |
Oct-20-11 06:37 PM |
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Without a moments hesitation |
Ohio Joe |
Oct-20-11 06:46 PM |
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let's try another imagination game... live capture of Hitler in 1945 |
0rganism |
Oct-20-11 06:58 PM |
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I imagine that Stalin would have *loved* to capture Hitler. |
Abin Sur |
Oct-20-11 07:08 PM |
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sure, but let's posit Stalin will send Hitler to Nuremberg for trial |
0rganism |
Oct-20-11 08:38 PM |
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I kill him personally, then. |
Abin Sur |
Oct-20-11 09:06 PM |
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Killing the 6 year old Hitler would have meant nothing. |
former9thward |
Oct-20-11 07:08 PM |
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I don't think The Holocaust was historically inevitable without Hitler. |
Abin Sur |
Oct-20-11 07:17 PM |
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No they wouldn't. The German ire against Jews was there before Hitler. Hitler bought into |
Exilednight |
Oct-21-11 05:36 AM |
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I disagree |
Bragi |
Oct-21-11 02:55 PM |
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No, I'd put him in a different family |
Ter |
Oct-21-11 03:29 PM |
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Bake...you know the truth..You are doing hyperbole... Ghadaffi was NO Hitler.. |
KoKo |
Oct-20-11 06:33 PM |
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I'm not comparing Qaddafi to Hitler. |
Bake |
Oct-20-11 06:39 PM |
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Knowing of his evil designs, YES! Gladly! |
CTyankee |
Oct-20-11 06:38 PM |
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I enjoy the fact that he committed suicide. |
AngkorWot |
Oct-20-11 06:40 PM |
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So we're pretty much agreed that Hitler deserved killing. |
Bake |
Oct-20-11 06:41 PM |
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Gaddafi was reported killed by his bodyguard -- presumably on instructions if captured? |
defendandprotect |
Oct-20-11 06:42 PM |
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Hitler was killed when a Klieg light fell on him at Area 51 |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-20-11 06:45 PM |
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No, he wasn't |
zappaman |
Oct-20-11 07:01 PM |
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How long ago did it stop bothering you |
dbt |
Oct-20-11 08:06 PM |
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Should have been sooner.....but he got his assassins. |
Historic NY |
Oct-20-11 06:43 PM |
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Since time travel is not in the books |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-20-11 06:45 PM |
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Gaddafi was *executed*, not *assasinated* -- I think that's important |
0rganism |
Oct-20-11 06:48 PM |
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I quite agree with the Nuremberg scenario! I'd like to have seen him hung. |
Bake |
Oct-20-11 07:01 PM |
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everyone dies eventually, but how we get there matters |
0rganism |
Oct-20-11 08:19 PM |
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So I suppose you were against all of the regicide over the centuries? |
joshcryer |
Oct-20-11 07:07 PM |
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all of it? i don't know about that, but some of it, yes |
0rganism |
Oct-20-11 08:13 PM |
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I'm just saying, it was pretty much an expected outcome. |
joshcryer |
Oct-20-11 08:25 PM |
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Right -- expected, but suboptimal |
0rganism |
Oct-20-11 08:40 PM |
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As I said, I felt elated that he was captured, numb that he was killed. |
joshcryer |
Oct-20-11 08:48 PM |
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Wow, I've seen some crazy stuff here today, but to compare |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-20-11 06:52 PM |
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Show me where I compare Q to H. |
Bake |
Oct-20-11 06:59 PM |
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I don't see a single parallel. You post ed an OP |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-20-11 07:10 PM |
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Gaddafi invaded several African countries, but you've been informed of this over and over again. |
joshcryer |
Oct-20-11 07:08 PM |
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As well as orchestrated the deaths of thousands... |
AngryOldDem |
Oct-21-11 08:22 AM |
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I would have liked to see him at Nuerumberg tried by esteemed and |
demosincebirth |
Oct-20-11 06:52 PM |
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Is this a Dr. Who reference. |
randome |
Oct-20-11 06:55 PM |
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I would hope I could kill him before he started getting traction with his anti-semitic tirades, |
CTyankee |
Oct-20-11 06:59 PM |
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People tried, they failed, unfortunately. He was one lucky son of a bitch. |
joshcryer |
Oct-20-11 07:05 PM |
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Personally, I'd have liked to see him captured or assassinated in |
polly7 |
Oct-20-11 07:07 PM |
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There would be no guarantee that you are in the proper timeline. eom |
yawnmaster |
Oct-20-11 07:08 PM |
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To kill one to possibly save millions yeah |
LynneSin |
Oct-20-11 07:08 PM |
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No. BTW the consensus at the time was not to assassinate him. |
rug |
Oct-20-11 07:09 PM |
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I'm A Pacifist. I couldn't take a life. Not even Hitlers. |
Pyrzqxgl |
Oct-20-11 07:11 PM |
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So you'd let six million+ die because you can't pull the trigger on one monster? |
Bake |
Oct-21-11 08:15 AM |
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It goes back to that "every life is valuable" "every life is special" crap |
snooper2 |
Oct-21-11 09:08 AM |
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yes. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-20-11 07:12 PM |
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Interesting the Allies made no serious attempt to kill Hitler. |
former9thward |
Oct-20-11 07:15 PM |
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Yup. |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-20-11 07:16 PM |
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Yes. |
MoonRiver |
Oct-20-11 07:17 PM |
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Dr. Sam Weizak: I don't like this, John. What are you getting at? |
pintobean |
Oct-20-11 07:25 PM |
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Firstly, our nation didn't go around assassinating dictators back then. |
Cleita |
Oct-20-11 07:27 PM |
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It would not have been a good thing, though billions of times less bad than what he did. |
saras |
Oct-20-11 07:28 PM |
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By the way, I have to credit DinahMoeHum for the "ignoble end" reference! |
Bake |
Oct-20-11 07:40 PM |
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You're missing the point. Are we systematically looking at every country and deciding whether |
TBF |
Oct-20-11 07:40 PM |
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Someone smart would have taken over and caused more trouble than Hitler did. |
Fire Walk With Me |
Oct-20-11 07:41 PM |
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You know I actually got a chance |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-20-11 07:43 PM |
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Shot him, skewered him, cut his head off, and pissed on his grave. |
ncteechur |
Oct-20-11 07:46 PM |
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In A Heartbeat. (n/t) |
Paladin |
Oct-20-11 07:46 PM |
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Unless any of us here actually lived throught it, no one can really say... |
markpkessinger |
Oct-20-11 07:47 PM |
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Wouild that solution(?) apply to every "leader" who is responsible for the deaths of people? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-20-11 07:48 PM |
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If you had killed him in late 1940, Germany would probably be constantly on the brink... |
JVS |
Oct-20-11 07:49 PM |
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Well, as I said in a thread earlier |
hyphenate |
Oct-20-11 07:54 PM |
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In the 40s? For sure. He was a mass murderer. But not when he was a child. |
McCamy Taylor |
Oct-20-11 08:06 PM |
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Without Hitler, Germany develops the first nuclear weapons... |
hunter |
Oct-20-11 08:13 PM |
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If, as you say, history can be made better or worse by replacing an individual |
Abin Sur |
Oct-20-11 09:10 PM |
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One man doesn't change history? |
Bake |
Oct-21-11 08:13 AM |
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If Thomas Edison had never been born, would we all still be reading by candle light and lanterns? |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-21-11 09:16 AM |
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you don't know that. eom |
yawnmaster |
Oct-21-11 03:34 PM |
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Yes. eom |
tawadi |
Oct-20-11 08:22 PM |
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Yep - with my bare hands, a knife or |
cliffordu |
Oct-20-11 08:49 PM |
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Frankly I would go back to the 20's and buy his paintings |
bengalherder |
Oct-20-11 08:56 PM |
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No. I never sit around thinking about killing people. nt |
Modern_Matthew |
Oct-20-11 09:00 PM |
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What if you could have killed his mother before he was born? |
Motown_Johnny |
Oct-20-11 09:18 PM |
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Yes. |
Luciferous |
Oct-20-11 09:33 PM |
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Yes. |
applegrove |
Oct-20-11 11:06 PM |
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Hell yes. |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Oct-20-11 11:06 PM |
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Fuck yes. |
sakabatou |
Oct-20-11 11:08 PM |
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If you had the opportunity to kill the OP before he posted this... |
pinboy3niner |
Oct-20-11 11:12 PM |
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I'm sure there are some here who would. |
Bake |
Oct-21-11 08:19 AM |
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Hitler not making it out of WWI would have been more preferable |
MrScorpio |
Oct-20-11 11:18 PM |
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the 40s really would have been closing the barn door after the horse was out |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-21-11 03:42 AM |
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Doesn't answer the question |
Tsiyu |
Oct-21-11 04:59 AM |
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Hitler didn't invent anti-semiticism. He didn't do the Holocaust by himself. |
raccoon |
Oct-21-11 08:28 AM |
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Agree |
Rebubula |
Oct-21-11 09:26 AM |
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The Grandfather Paradox, or Edith Keeler must die |
slackmaster |
Oct-21-11 08:30 AM |
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a genocidal leader of a super power on the verge of world domination is not a realistic comparison |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-21-11 08:46 AM |
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The Problem with this... |
Rebubula |
Oct-21-11 09:22 AM |
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no doubt in my mind.. 2 shots to the back of his head |
rdking647 |
Oct-21-11 09:35 AM |
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Sure, in fact I would have been drafted and ordered to do it. |
ThomWV |
Oct-21-11 11:50 AM |
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Without absolute knowledge of the relevant consequences of any one person's death |
LanternWaste |
Oct-21-11 12:27 PM |
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+1000 (n/t) |
spin |
Oct-21-11 12:36 PM |
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I'd put him on trial with the rest of the Nazis |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-21-11 02:23 PM |
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I don't know if I have it in me to kill anyone |
mrs_p |
Oct-21-11 02:23 PM |
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I would have done it quite happily. No doubt, no regret. Nt |
DevonRex |
Oct-21-11 02:38 PM |
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Godwin in 1. |
Iggo |
Oct-21-11 02:41 PM |
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Way too late |
Ter |
Oct-21-11 03:27 PM |
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Way too late |
Ter |
Oct-21-11 03:27 PM |
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nope. i'd be a hypocrite if i said i would. |
elana i am |
Oct-21-11 04:54 PM |
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No, because I was just a child at that time. n/t |
RebelOne |
Oct-21-11 05:05 PM |
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I hated Japs and Nazis at that time! |
oldlib |
Oct-21-11 05:07 PM |
#140 |
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