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Fri Oct-21-11 12:18 PM
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| 124. Has anyone mentioned the REAL reason for this? Fuel economy. nt |
| -Car companies getting rid of spare tires in some new cars |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 06:29 AM |
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Yep. I don't have any real world experience with flats on the road. |
Dover |
Oct-20-11 06:34 AM |
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the "spare" isn't really a spare tire, it's a small, temporary tire oft referred to as a donut. |
dionysus |
Oct-20-11 08:18 AM |
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Thanks for the instructions. I don't doubt it's pretty easy and straight forward. |
Dover |
Oct-20-11 08:55 AM |
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There are still a few cars that offer a full size spare. |
EOTE |
Oct-20-11 09:16 AM |
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never loosen or tighten lug nuts with the wheel off the ground |
Lance_Boyle |
Oct-20-11 02:26 PM |
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I usually lift it enough so there's little weight on the tire, but the tire doesn't rotate freely. |
EOTE |
Oct-20-11 02:37 PM |
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Yeah the wheel turns anyway iirc. |
dkf |
Oct-20-11 03:35 PM |
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Volkswagen does |
tammywammy |
Oct-20-11 06:28 PM |
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Wish they all did so |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-21-11 02:43 AM |
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it's a temporary small tire, unless you buy a real vehicle |
snooper2 |
Oct-20-11 09:22 AM |
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A Dakota is a real vehicle? |
Atman |
Oct-20-11 06:22 PM |
#103 |
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235hp, 295lbs of torque factory, lights up the tires for 20 ft |
snooper2 |
Oct-21-11 08:53 AM |
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Cost, weight, and space |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Oct-20-11 03:54 PM |
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My car doesn't even have a trunk (or rear seats) |
REP |
Oct-20-11 06:16 PM |
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I'm not sure I am capable of changing a tire. |
dkf |
Oct-20-11 06:37 AM |
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Changing a tire is super-easy. |
Codeine |
Oct-20-11 06:44 AM |
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I think I did it in the garage once before, but I almost couldn't undo the lug nuts. |
dkf |
Oct-20-11 06:55 AM |
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Tire dealer probably used an automated wrench to tighten lug nuts too tight... |
hlthe2b |
Oct-20-11 07:55 AM |
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Lol. Funny thing is my ex is a mechanic but this never occurred to me. |
dkf |
Oct-20-11 11:57 AM |
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True |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 02:11 PM |
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When you get your tires changed or worked on next time. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-20-11 10:03 AM |
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Smart! Good to know. Thanks. |
dkf |
Oct-20-11 11:56 AM |
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Do not listen to that advice. It's VERY dangerous. |
EOTE |
Oct-20-11 03:12 PM |
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DO NOT ASK FOR YOUR LUG NUTS TO BE HAND TIGHTENED!! |
EOTE |
Oct-20-11 03:11 PM |
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You need 90 lb-ft torque for most lug nuts |
jmowreader |
Oct-20-11 04:35 PM |
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How the hell are you going to get 90lbs of torque using your hand? |
EOTE |
Oct-20-11 06:10 PM |
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Well if you weight 90 lbs and you lean down on the end of the wrench. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-21-11 10:57 AM |
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But that's not "hand tightening". Hand tightening is tightening with your hands. |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 12:15 PM |
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You and I define it differently. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-21-11 01:27 PM |
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"Hand tightening" means the technician uses a torque wrench |
jmowreader |
Oct-21-11 07:51 PM |
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Sorry about that. I should have clarified. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-21-11 10:47 AM |
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That's the correct procedure. |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 12:17 PM |
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I'm female, 5'3" and am petite |
Aerows |
Oct-20-11 08:36 AM |
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I'm a little taller but just as petite, I imagine, and similarly |
Lionessa |
Oct-20-11 01:46 PM |
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You made me laugh |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-20-11 08:24 PM |
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Neither am I. That's why I have AAA. n/t |
RebelOne |
Oct-20-11 11:58 AM |
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It's not even a matter of capability. |
Xithras |
Oct-20-11 02:23 PM |
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Oh in a car, easy peachy |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-20-11 08:17 PM |
#111 |
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My first boyfriend loved cars and he taught me how to |
malaise |
Oct-21-11 01:59 PM |
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I'm not a fan of this at all |
MrScorpio |
Oct-20-11 06:39 AM |
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It's just a cost/weight savings for the automaker |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-20-11 10:14 AM |
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Most of the flat tires I have experienced would not have been repaired by |
hlthe2b |
Oct-20-11 06:40 AM |
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Agreed |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 06:53 AM |
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BFD, My bicycle doesn't come equipped with a spare tire and you don't hear me whining |
taterguy |
Oct-20-11 06:43 AM |
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Does your bicycle do 60+mph on the highway? |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 07:04 AM |
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You will, if a tire-sealent-sealed tire blows out right next to you. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-20-11 07:08 AM |
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i do right now. |
dionysus |
Oct-20-11 08:19 AM |
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Mine comes with a spare tube, which is basically a spare tire. nt |
Javaman |
Oct-20-11 08:40 AM |
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You are whining right now. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-20-11 10:05 AM |
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That's the SLIMEiest response from you ever. n/t |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-20-11 10:42 AM |
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Oh FFS |
taterguy |
Oct-20-11 08:02 PM |
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I've had flats riding my bike. Not much fun. |
backscatter712 |
Oct-20-11 01:20 PM |
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I think cars and bicycles are a little different. |
Marrah_G |
Oct-21-11 11:26 AM |
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I was told by a tire dealer to never use a hole repair sealant |
GoCubsGo |
Oct-20-11 06:44 AM |
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they don't really ruin the tire |
hobbit709 |
Oct-20-11 08:28 AM |
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+1 nt |
Javaman |
Oct-20-11 08:40 AM |
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Good idea! eom |
Kolesar |
Oct-20-11 01:43 PM |
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Get it? A spare WILL be offered to you AT AN ADDITIONAL COST. Next: mats. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-20-11 07:06 AM |
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Floor mats have been always been extra. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-20-11 08:39 AM |
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Followed by the steering wheel. n/t |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-20-11 10:06 AM |
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Any negotiator can use that. |
The Doctor. |
Oct-20-11 01:53 PM |
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We went through this same shit back in the '70s and '80s |
madokie |
Oct-20-11 07:17 AM |
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Buy a spare, throw it in your trunk, problem solved. |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-20-11 07:57 AM |
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These days tires are probably one of the least likely things to fail |
MindPilot |
Oct-20-11 08:13 AM |
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I had a lot of failures for a while, but I was buying used tires. |
Codeine |
Oct-20-11 08:17 AM |
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i've never had one fail on it's own, but have had them go due to running over screws many a time. |
dionysus |
Oct-20-11 08:24 AM |
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Really? They must not do road construction near where you live... |
hlthe2b |
Oct-20-11 09:49 AM |
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when i had my roof replaced, they were careful catching everything in tarps, nonetheless, i was find |
dionysus |
Oct-20-11 10:37 AM |
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Brakes, transmission, and a coil spring |
Kolesar |
Oct-20-11 01:46 PM |
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It was bad enough when they replaced the spare with those donut tires. |
hobbit709 |
Oct-20-11 08:19 AM |
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this will date me, but they actually used to provide full size spares? |
dionysus |
Oct-20-11 08:20 AM |
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My '93 Corolla has a full-sized spare. |
Codeine |
Oct-20-11 08:22 AM |
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damn. my buicks and fords never had a full size spare. it'd be nice. when i was broke in college, i |
dionysus |
Oct-20-11 08:25 AM |
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My 04 jeep has a full sized spare n/t |
n2doc |
Oct-20-11 08:24 AM |
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The only car I owned that had a donut. |
hobbit709 |
Oct-20-11 08:25 AM |
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so that time i had a donut on the rear wheel for 3 months was bad? |
dionysus |
Oct-20-11 08:26 AM |
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among other things it fucks up your alignment. |
hobbit709 |
Oct-20-11 08:30 AM |
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that was ok.. shortly after i eventually put a real tire on there, a drunk in a F-350 hit me head on |
dionysus |
Oct-20-11 08:40 AM |
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Yup, |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 08:26 AM |
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Yup,, that dates you. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-20-11 10:09 AM |
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A full size spare that was included in the tire rotation |
Brother Buzz |
Oct-20-11 11:33 AM |
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Oh yeah... and it was included in the rotation |
jberryhill |
Oct-20-11 02:07 PM |
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The old guy down the street that still runs bias ply tires on his '62 Falcon |
Brother Buzz |
Oct-21-11 11:12 AM |
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Not only that - if your other four wheels were alloy rims, often the wheel on the spare was, too. |
mikeytherat |
Oct-21-11 10:48 AM |
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oh the outrage |
DainBramaged |
Oct-20-11 08:25 AM |
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Come down to TX |
hobbit709 |
Oct-20-11 08:36 AM |
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I understand your plight. Most dealers are ordering their inventory with spares |
DainBramaged |
Oct-20-11 08:44 AM |
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The closest to a new car I ever bought was a two year old model. |
hobbit709 |
Oct-20-11 08:48 AM |
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This only started with the 2011 models for GM, simply check the trunk |
DainBramaged |
Oct-20-11 08:51 AM |
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you're JOKING! they are being cheap.... |
Divine Discontent |
Oct-20-11 08:40 AM |
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Rather than skimp on essential equipment, they should just use the same efficient engines they use |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-20-11 08:41 AM |
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Folks, if the car doesn't have a spare, move on to the next one that does, it's that simple |
DainBramaged |
Oct-20-11 08:46 AM |
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And should the trend continue |
LanternWaste |
Oct-20-11 09:09 AM |
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+1, Agreed & Well Said! |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 09:10 AM |
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I haven't had to change a flat tire in almost 40 years. |
RC |
Oct-20-11 08:52 AM |
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Slime kit, gave it to my sweetie and beautiful daughter |
DainBramaged |
Oct-20-11 08:55 AM |
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is there a pump in that kit? I can't tell. |
Lionessa |
Oct-20-11 01:49 PM |
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Assuming that it will hold air |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 11:22 AM |
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Meh |
DainBramaged |
Oct-20-11 09:19 AM |
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You wouldn't believe the number of cars I see around the |
MineralMan |
Oct-20-11 09:22 AM |
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This is going to be a problem as highways deteriorate |
FarCenter |
Oct-20-11 09:45 AM |
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Agreed |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-22-11 03:11 AM |
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More and more we're looking like the USSR during the cold war |
Doremus |
Oct-20-11 10:16 AM |
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When was the last time you had a flat tire you needed a spare for? |
Bandit |
Oct-20-11 10:48 AM |
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Two years ago |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-20-11 11:52 AM |
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It really sucks that they don't give you a "full-size" tire anymore |
maxrandb |
Oct-20-11 11:48 AM |
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Indeed |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 02:36 PM |
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In over 45 years of driving I've had exactly |
SheilaT |
Oct-20-11 12:20 PM |
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I agree, technology accounts for something |
DaveJ |
Oct-20-11 02:10 PM |
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Yes. What hardly anyone here is bothering to pay attention to |
SheilaT |
Oct-20-11 03:02 PM |
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I think it also depends on if you can afford timely maintence |
Marrah_G |
Oct-21-11 12:34 PM |
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The lack of a spare was one of main reasons I stopped looking at Smarts when shopping |
iris27 |
Oct-20-11 01:06 PM |
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bad idea,imho |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-20-11 01:09 PM |
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Roadside assistance will cost them. |
The Doctor. |
Oct-20-11 01:48 PM |
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Indeed |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-11 07:16 PM |
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WIth lots of new construction, flats are a problem. In these economy? Maybe not. |
SharonAnn |
Oct-21-11 11:23 AM |
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A large percentage of drivers do not/cannot change a tire themselves, and will call roadside ass't. |
Romulox |
Oct-20-11 02:12 PM |
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Roadside assistance will gladly help you change your tire |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Oct-20-11 03:57 PM |
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They also have compressors and patch kits. And the ability to tow. nt |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 12:00 PM |
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Not really. |
The Doctor. |
Oct-21-11 03:39 PM |
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I had the impression it's to offer more trunk space, noticed it in the new BMW 5 series (F10) /nt |
jakeXT |
Oct-20-11 02:23 PM |
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I had a full-seized spare in my 2006 VW Beetle |
tammywammy |
Oct-20-11 06:30 PM |
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you now get a patch & sealant kit? how about an air compressor? |
0rganism |
Oct-20-11 03:08 PM |
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The sealant typically comes pressurized. |
EOTE |
Oct-20-11 04:13 PM |
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I had a can of that shit blow up inside my car once. |
Atman |
Oct-20-11 07:21 PM |
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That's how they get you. |
Lucian |
Oct-20-11 04:15 PM |
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I had no choice but to learn how to change a flat tire when I was stranded on a country road |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-20-11 04:47 PM |
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OML |
LadyInAZ |
Oct-20-11 07:51 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-20-11 08:09 PM |
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Has anyone mentioned the REAL reason for this? Fuel economy. nt |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 12:18 PM |
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I think someone mentioned it in #39 |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-21-11 12:26 PM |
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OK. That poster was on the right track, but misses the fact that consumers are free |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 12:29 PM |
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How could you say they were missing the fact that ... |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-21-11 12:43 PM |
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Oh no. There are smaller cars still that are available. Consumers have largely rejected them |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 12:45 PM |
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Do you bring up the metro because I posted about that car getting 52mpg? |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-21-11 12:53 PM |
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No. I bring it up as a cheap car with excellent MPG. That didn't sell. |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 12:58 PM |
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Just a little nit. The 1.3 liter Metro was a 4 banger. |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 01:11 PM |
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Thanks for the correction. The 3 cylinder GEO is still without peer in MPG, if |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 01:17 PM |
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Well, to be fair, they haven't been selling us efficient cars that anyone wants to drive... |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 01:22 PM |
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Do you know how many MPGs the same Cruze gets with the overseas engine? |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-21-11 01:24 PM |
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Are you referring to the DI Diesel? |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 01:30 PM |
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'atsa one matey. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-21-11 05:36 PM |
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No, but I believe they have a 40 MPG Cruze for NA already. |
Romulox |
Oct-21-11 01:47 PM |
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I believe he's referring to the direct injected diesel. |
EOTE |
Oct-21-11 04:14 PM |
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Interesting |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-21-11 05:42 PM |
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It sure would. |
EOTE |
Oct-22-11 09:54 AM |
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This is a good point. A lot of stats for incredible overseas mileage are based on bad measurements. |
JVS |
Oct-21-11 08:04 PM |
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Gas was not $4 a gallon when Metro was on the market. Chevy Aveo is the replacement and from what I |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-21-11 01:26 PM |
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The person who made the decision to stop selling the Chevy Metro in the US back in 2001? |
JVS |
Oct-21-11 08:00 PM |
#150 |
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They've been doing this for a while in "economy cars" |
Spider Jerusalem |
Oct-21-11 01:01 PM |
#132 |
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'Vettes too. |
JohnnyRingo |
Oct-21-11 01:44 PM |
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I just yanked my spare tire and in that space I put a vegetable oil tank so I can drive without |
garybeck |
Oct-21-11 01:13 PM |
#134 |
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When was the last time anyone actually dug the jack and spare out of the trunk? |
JohnnyRingo |
Oct-21-11 01:42 PM |
#141 |
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A friend did so yesterday because he ran over |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-22-11 04:10 PM |
#154 |
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