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Sun Oct-16-11 01:56 PM
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bounce them out of their self aggrandizing illusions. Bubble boys can't be wrong. ON the other hand, facing a lot of death in my family over the past few years, I truly believe that no one dies without agreement and it was his time. I think part of his life experience was this moment ... chose other people's wisdom or wallow in the (probable) fantasy that you know better than anyone else.
I am still processing him riding down an elevator chatting nicely with a female employee about what she did for Apple and then firing her at the bottom. That sort of fucker knows best. Hoist on his own pretard. RIP anyway.
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| -Harvard Cancer Expert: Steve Jobs Probably Doomed Himself With Alternative Medicine |
Courtesy Flush |
Oct-16-11 07:52 AM |
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Hopefully people can learn from this. |
mucifer |
Oct-16-11 08:01 AM |
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There is no "cure" rate with pancreatic cancer.... |
ingac70 |
Oct-16-11 08:14 AM |
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But, who knows where the research will be in 2 or 3 years. Ultimately it was his choice |
mucifer |
Oct-16-11 08:17 AM |
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Looks like it wasn't the pancreatic cancer we all know about |
Courtesy Flush |
Oct-16-11 08:47 AM |
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God bless you and your wife. Take care. |
roguevalley |
Oct-16-11 01:53 PM |
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Thank you nt |
Courtesy Flush |
Oct-16-11 02:53 PM |
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good vibes to your wife |
blueamy66 |
Oct-17-11 04:42 AM |
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3-4 years of sickening treatments. nt |
morningglory |
Oct-16-11 10:38 AM |
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Compared with death? Yes. |
TheWraith |
Oct-16-11 02:33 PM |
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At the same time standards of care ... |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 03:40 PM |
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He had a rare, highly treatable form |
Yo_Mama |
Oct-16-11 02:29 PM |
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And that one was still certain death within a decade. n/t |
ingac70 |
Oct-16-11 04:40 PM |
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What's the harm? |
Orrex |
Oct-16-11 08:04 AM |
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Steve Jobs made a choice. His right, no matter what Harvard has to say about it. |
graywarrior |
Oct-16-11 08:05 AM |
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I don't think they said he didn't have the right. |
Courtesy Flush |
Oct-16-11 08:09 AM |
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That's a common red herring in discussions like this |
Orrex |
Oct-16-11 08:11 AM |
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Who knows what his deep philosophical beliefs were |
graywarrior |
Oct-16-11 09:13 AM |
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"I worked with people who used alternative ways to health, and they are fine now." |
Orrex |
Oct-16-11 10:20 AM |
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Everything recovery I've heard about has been a combination of both methods |
graywarrior |
Oct-16-11 12:26 PM |
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But what do you mean by "both methods?" |
Orrex |
Oct-16-11 12:31 PM |
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One method is conventional medicine, the other alternive including macrobiotics, etc. |
graywarrior |
Oct-16-11 02:13 PM |
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Well, that really doesn't mean anything |
Orrex |
Oct-16-11 02:24 PM |
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alternative methods |
graywarrior |
Oct-16-11 02:50 PM |
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Sure there are alternatives |
Orrex |
Oct-16-11 04:57 PM |
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What are you talking about? |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 03:52 PM |
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masters of their own universe need someone strong enough to |
roguevalley |
Oct-16-11 01:56 PM |
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depends on what she said |
hfojvt |
Oct-16-11 02:08 PM |
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What about his "right" to take a donor liver to replace the one destroyed by his trusting woo over.. |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 05:18 PM |
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Wouldn't call it a right in that case |
Orrex |
Oct-16-11 07:15 PM |
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It's kind of easy to worry about who has jurisdiction when you shop for a favorable jurisdiction. |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:20 PM |
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He didn't turn down any conventional treatments either. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 03:49 PM |
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Correct. |
H2O Man |
Oct-16-11 06:09 PM |
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Of course but with the right information others can make better decisions |
Trekologer |
Oct-16-11 10:22 PM |
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I think that's the real issue |
pscot |
Oct-18-11 03:52 PM |
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Um. What? |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 03:55 PM |
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Zionks - talk about blind opportunism. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 03:48 PM |
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Is there a form of pancreatic cancer that is "mild"? I thought it was nearly 100 % fatal. |
no_hypocrisy |
Oct-16-11 08:07 AM |
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That's what I thought too |
Courtesy Flush |
Oct-16-11 08:11 AM |
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Yep. |
GoCubsGo |
Oct-16-11 08:58 AM |
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There isn't a mild pancreatic cancer.... |
ingac70 |
Oct-16-11 08:13 AM |
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A quick google search |
Courtesy Flush |
Oct-16-11 08:22 AM |
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if jobs' form were so easily curable, he would have taken that easy cure. so it obviously wasn't. |
EdMaven |
Oct-16-11 02:17 PM |
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Wrong. This doctor has had patients with neuroendocrine tumors survive over a decade. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 02:25 PM |
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Jobs was diagnosed in Oct 2003. He had the tumor removed in 7/31/04 & did chemo. |
EdMaven |
Oct-16-11 02:34 PM |
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So he had the tumour removed within approx. 9 months. |
polly7 |
Oct-16-11 02:48 PM |
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CNN? Mainstream media? |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 03:59 PM |
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I agree. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 03:58 PM |
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Great! Another Frist diagnosis. n/t |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-16-11 07:18 PM |
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And he might not have. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 03:56 PM |
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From article |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 08:26 AM |
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"...acted right away..." This is hard to do. nt |
morningglory |
Oct-16-11 10:41 AM |
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The treatable kind is like, one of the rarest kinds among all pancreatic cancers. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 02:18 PM |
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Name it if you know so much. |
EdMaven |
Oct-16-11 02:39 PM |
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Yes - read the post that sparked the article |
Yo_Mama |
Oct-16-11 02:35 PM |
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Uh-oh. Now you've done it... |
CTyankee |
Oct-16-11 08:15 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-16-11 08:52 AM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Oct-16-11 08:46 AM |
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This will just reinforce the alt-med's martyr complex. nt |
Codeine |
Oct-16-11 09:02 AM |
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+1 |
FLAprogressive |
Oct-16-11 03:00 PM |
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The what? Is that in the PDR or the DSM? |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 04:01 PM |
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There is no form of Pan Can that is mild and not usually fatal. |
mn9driver |
Oct-16-11 02:09 PM |
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He took some donor organs with him too. Probably doomed somebody else. Asshole. nt |
LeftyMom |
Oct-16-11 02:12 PM |
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Cancer limits organ donation. n/t |
ingac70 |
Oct-16-11 04:45 PM |
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He was a recipient, not a donor. |
LeftyMom |
Oct-16-11 05:15 PM |
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Didn't we make fun of Frist for diagnosing based on a video? |
girl gone mad |
Oct-16-11 02:14 PM |
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+ 100 |
NashVegas |
Oct-16-11 06:54 PM |
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Didn't you get the memo? |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 04:02 PM |
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huh? |
EdMaven |
Oct-16-11 02:16 PM |
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Did you read the article? |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 05:16 PM |
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I read the article & I read articles from the period. Jobs was diagnosed in |
EdMaven |
Oct-16-11 06:18 PM |
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edit: should be "a little fewer than half LIVE 5 years." as the median survival is slightly |
EdMaven |
Oct-16-11 07:47 PM |
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If I were a billionaire with cancer, I would |
Duer 157099 |
Oct-16-11 02:21 PM |
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+1 |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 04:10 PM |
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Didn't we read that this was a particularly deadly 'type' of pancreatic cancer? |
elleng |
Oct-16-11 02:47 PM |
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sCAM treatments strike again. If they worked -- they'd be called "medicine". |
FLAprogressive |
Oct-16-11 03:00 PM |
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Actually, given that he lasted as long as he did... |
InvisibleTouch |
Oct-16-11 05:19 PM |
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+1 |
BuddhaGirl |
Oct-16-11 06:02 PM |
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Right. |
H2O Man |
Oct-16-11 06:10 PM |
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No, not really |
Spider Jerusalem |
Oct-16-11 07:49 PM |
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Don't bother bringing in facts. He had garden variety pancreatic cancer and that's the story the |
FLAprogressive |
Oct-17-11 03:47 PM |
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Ironic avatar. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 04:12 PM |
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You're right--the article assumes that the cancer was first noticed at an early |
diane in sf |
Oct-17-11 04:26 AM |
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perhaps, but i've never heard of a "mild form" of pancreatic cancer... |
dionysus |
Oct-16-11 07:02 PM |
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"Allegedly." |
LWolf |
Oct-16-11 07:22 PM |
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"I don't know what happened but I'll offer my useless opinion anyway." |
EdMaven |
Oct-16-11 07:48 PM |
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"I have the profoundest respect for Jobs" |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-11 04:15 PM |
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Woo boy, if what passes for medicine in America is the best in the world... |
MattSh |
Oct-17-11 12:58 AM |
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That's not the point of the article |
Courtesy Flush |
Oct-18-11 03:43 PM |
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Jobs actually spoke about this in 2005 |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-18-11 04:30 PM |
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