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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-11 10:38 AM
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21. 3-4 years of sickening treatments. nt
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  -Harvard Cancer Expert: Steve Jobs Probably Doomed Himself With Alternative Medicine Courtesy Flush  Oct-16-11 07:52 AM   #0 
  - Hopefully people can learn from this.  mucifer   Oct-16-11 08:01 AM   #1 
  - There is no "cure" rate with pancreatic cancer....  ingac70   Oct-16-11 08:14 AM   #9 
     - But, who knows where the research will be in 2 or 3 years. Ultimately it was his choice  mucifer   Oct-16-11 08:17 AM   #11 
     - Looks like it wasn't the pancreatic cancer we all know about  Courtesy Flush   Oct-16-11 08:47 AM   #15 
     - God bless you and your wife. Take care.  roguevalley   Oct-16-11 01:53 PM   #25 
     - Thank you nt  Courtesy Flush   Oct-16-11 02:53 PM   #46 
     - good vibes to your wife  blueamy66   Oct-17-11 04:42 AM   #72 
     - 3-4 years of sickening treatments. nt  morningglory   Oct-16-11 10:38 AM   #21 
     - Compared with death? Yes.  TheWraith   Oct-16-11 02:33 PM   #39 
        - At the same time standards of care ...  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 03:40 PM   #74 
     - He had a rare, highly treatable form  Yo_Mama   Oct-16-11 02:29 PM   #38 
        - And that one was still certain death within a decade. n/t  ingac70   Oct-16-11 04:40 PM   #49 
  - What's the harm?  Orrex   Oct-16-11 08:04 AM   #2 
  - Steve Jobs made a choice. His right, no matter what Harvard has to say about it.  graywarrior   Oct-16-11 08:05 AM   #3 
  - I don't think they said he didn't have the right.  Courtesy Flush   Oct-16-11 08:09 AM   #5 
  - That's a common red herring in discussions like this  Orrex   Oct-16-11 08:11 AM   #7 
  - Who knows what his deep philosophical beliefs were  graywarrior   Oct-16-11 09:13 AM   #19 
  - "I worked with people who used alternative ways to health, and they are fine now."  Orrex   Oct-16-11 10:20 AM   #20 
     - Everything recovery I've heard about has been a combination of both methods  graywarrior   Oct-16-11 12:26 PM   #23 
     - But what do you mean by "both methods?"  Orrex   Oct-16-11 12:31 PM   #24 
        - One method is conventional medicine, the other alternive including macrobiotics, etc.  graywarrior   Oct-16-11 02:13 PM   #30 
           - Well, that really doesn't mean anything  Orrex   Oct-16-11 02:24 PM   #36 
              - alternative methods  graywarrior   Oct-16-11 02:50 PM   #45 
                 - Sure there are alternatives  Orrex   Oct-16-11 04:57 PM   #51 
     - What are you talking about?  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 03:52 PM   #78 
  - masters of their own universe need someone strong enough to  roguevalley   Oct-16-11 01:56 PM   #26 
  - depends on what she said  hfojvt   Oct-16-11 02:08 PM   #27 
  - What about his "right" to take a donor liver to replace the one destroyed by his trusting woo over..  JVS   Oct-16-11 05:18 PM   #54 
  - Wouldn't call it a right in that case  Orrex   Oct-16-11 07:15 PM   #62 
     - It's kind of easy to worry about who has jurisdiction when you shop for a favorable jurisdiction.  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:20 PM   #64 
  - He didn't turn down any conventional treatments either.  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 03:49 PM   #77 
  - Correct.  H2O Man   Oct-16-11 06:09 PM   #57 
  - Of course but with the right information others can make better decisions  Trekologer   Oct-16-11 10:22 PM   #69 
  - I think that's the real issue  pscot   Oct-18-11 03:52 PM   #79 
  - Um. What?  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 03:55 PM   #80 
  - Zionks - talk about blind opportunism.  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 03:48 PM   #76 
  - Is there a form of pancreatic cancer that is "mild"? I thought it was nearly 100 % fatal.  no_hypocrisy   Oct-16-11 08:07 AM   #4 
  - That's what I thought too  Courtesy Flush   Oct-16-11 08:11 AM   #6 
  - Yep.  GoCubsGo   Oct-16-11 08:58 AM   #17 
  - There isn't a mild pancreatic cancer....  ingac70   Oct-16-11 08:13 AM   #8 
  - A quick google search  Courtesy Flush   Oct-16-11 08:22 AM   #12 
  - if jobs' form were so easily curable, he would have taken that easy cure. so it obviously wasn't.  EdMaven   Oct-16-11 02:17 PM   #33 
  - Wrong. This doctor has had patients with neuroendocrine tumors survive over a decade.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 02:25 PM   #37 
  - Jobs was diagnosed in Oct 2003. He had the tumor removed in 7/31/04 & did chemo.  EdMaven   Oct-16-11 02:34 PM   #40 
  - So he had the tumour removed within approx. 9 months.  polly7   Oct-16-11 02:48 PM   #44 
  - CNN? Mainstream media?  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 03:59 PM   #83 
  - I agree.  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 03:58 PM   #82 
  - Great! Another Frist diagnosis. n/t  MedicalAdmin   Oct-16-11 07:18 PM   #63 
  - And he might not have.  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 03:56 PM   #81 
  - From article  JVS   Oct-16-11 08:26 AM   #13 
  - "...acted right away..." This is hard to do. nt  morningglory   Oct-16-11 10:41 AM   #22 
  - The treatable kind is like, one of the rarest kinds among all pancreatic cancers.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 02:18 PM   #34 
  - Name it if you know so much.  EdMaven   Oct-16-11 02:39 PM   #42 
  - Yes - read the post that sparked the article  Yo_Mama   Oct-16-11 02:35 PM   #41 
  - Uh-oh. Now you've done it...  CTyankee   Oct-16-11 08:15 AM   #10 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 08:52 AM   #16 
  - recommend  xchrom   Oct-16-11 08:46 AM   #14 
  - This will just reinforce the alt-med's martyr complex. nt  Codeine   Oct-16-11 09:02 AM   #18 
  - +1  FLAprogressive   Oct-16-11 03:00 PM   #48 
  - The what? Is that in the PDR or the DSM?  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 04:01 PM   #84 
  - There is no form of Pan Can that is mild and not usually fatal.  mn9driver   Oct-16-11 02:09 PM   #28 
  - He took some donor organs with him too. Probably doomed somebody else. Asshole. nt  LeftyMom   Oct-16-11 02:12 PM   #29 
  - Cancer limits organ donation. n/t  ingac70   Oct-16-11 04:45 PM   #50 
     - He was a recipient, not a donor.  LeftyMom   Oct-16-11 05:15 PM   #52 
  - Didn't we make fun of Frist for diagnosing based on a video?  girl gone mad   Oct-16-11 02:14 PM   #31 
  - + 100  NashVegas   Oct-16-11 06:54 PM   #60 
  - Didn't you get the memo?  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 04:02 PM   #85 
  - huh?  EdMaven   Oct-16-11 02:16 PM   #32 
  - Did you read the article?  JVS   Oct-16-11 05:16 PM   #53 
     - I read the article & I read articles from the period. Jobs was diagnosed in  EdMaven   Oct-16-11 06:18 PM   #59 
        - edit: should be "a little fewer than half LIVE 5 years." as the median survival is slightly  EdMaven   Oct-16-11 07:47 PM   #66 
  - If I were a billionaire with cancer, I would  Duer 157099   Oct-16-11 02:21 PM   #35 
  - +1  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 04:10 PM   #86 
  - Didn't we read that this was a particularly deadly 'type' of pancreatic cancer?  elleng   Oct-16-11 02:47 PM   #43 
  - sCAM treatments strike again. If they worked -- they'd be called "medicine".  FLAprogressive   Oct-16-11 03:00 PM   #47 
  - Actually, given that he lasted as long as he did...  InvisibleTouch   Oct-16-11 05:19 PM   #55 
  - +1  BuddhaGirl   Oct-16-11 06:02 PM   #56 
  - Right.  H2O Man   Oct-16-11 06:10 PM   #58 
  - No, not really  Spider Jerusalem   Oct-16-11 07:49 PM   #68 
  - Don't bother bringing in facts. He had garden variety pancreatic cancer and that's the story the  FLAprogressive   Oct-17-11 03:47 PM   #73 
     - Ironic avatar.  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 04:12 PM   #87 
  - You're right--the article assumes that the cancer was first noticed at an early  diane in sf   Oct-17-11 04:26 AM   #71 
  - perhaps, but i've never heard of a "mild form" of pancreatic cancer...  dionysus   Oct-16-11 07:02 PM   #61 
  - "Allegedly."  LWolf   Oct-16-11 07:22 PM   #65 
  - "I don't know what happened but I'll offer my useless opinion anyway."  EdMaven   Oct-16-11 07:48 PM   #67 
  - "I have the profoundest respect for Jobs"  MedicalAdmin   Oct-18-11 04:15 PM   #88 
  - Woo boy, if what passes for medicine in America is the best in the world...  MattSh   Oct-17-11 12:58 AM   #70 
  - That's not the point of the article  Courtesy Flush   Oct-18-11 03:43 PM   #75 
  - Jobs actually spoke about this in 2005  BrendaBrick   Oct-18-11 04:30 PM   #89 
 

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