| -Degrading images of women |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 03:35 PM |
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Some 'progressives' don't like to hear women "whine" about that stuff. |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-14-11 03:37 PM |
#1 |
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when did we become so unempathetic? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 03:41 PM |
#6 |
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And some women complain that they would be upset if their daughters went on a pro-censorship kick |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:47 PM |
#10 |
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define "porn". Define "problematic porn". Define "degrading image". |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:48 PM |
#12 |
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Well, women would have trouble with their daughters being upset about hog-tied women. |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-14-11 04:14 PM |
#42 |
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Ah, yes, the children. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:18 PM |
#43 |
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What? |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-14-11 04:20 PM |
#47 |
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Ah, yes, the Children. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:24 PM |
#54 |
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"dominant patriarchal male gaze" |
Generic Other |
Oct-14-11 05:40 PM |
#115 |
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right there with you. what? |
okieinpain |
Oct-14-11 04:33 PM |
#67 |
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WTF? |
hlthe2b |
Oct-14-11 04:51 PM |
#80 |
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still waitin' for those terms to be defined. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:15 PM |
#96 |
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i got it on the first pass |
SwampG8r |
Oct-16-11 01:40 AM |
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Edit. Delete. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-16-11 07:39 PM |
#279 |
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Yeah, hog tied women = equality. what? |
uppityperson |
Oct-17-11 03:59 PM |
#291 |
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there's a poster downthread who is into consensual adult bondage-ie being tied up |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 04:02 PM |
#293 |
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Because I'm trying to figure out what you are saying. Odd how I do that, want a poster to |
uppityperson |
Oct-17-11 04:04 PM |
#294 |
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What needs clarification? It's simple: is everyone involved a CONSENTING ADULT? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 04:08 PM |
#295 |
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As I have said before, I agree. Since you post this in reply to hog tied women |
uppityperson |
Oct-17-11 04:12 PM |
#296 |
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The original post had something to do with women and their daughters and 'hog-tied women' |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 04:18 PM |
#297 |
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Most of the advertising images I see of woman I'd say are degrading. |
uppityperson |
Oct-17-11 04:28 PM |
#298 |
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Where do you see these ads? Who are they aimed at? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 04:31 PM |
#299 |
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Tv, newspapers, magazines, billboards, etc etc etc. |
uppityperson |
Oct-17-11 04:38 PM |
#302 |
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Also, if people are so programmable, does that mean being gay is a 'choice'? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 04:33 PM |
#300 |
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No more than the color of your skin is a "choice". |
uppityperson |
Oct-17-11 04:36 PM |
#301 |
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So we agree. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-18-11 12:19 AM |
#306 |
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Of course not. Not talking about degrading pictures changing anyone's sexual orientation as that is |
uppityperson |
Oct-18-11 12:30 AM |
#307 |
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Okay, so what mental parameters do you feel are easily programmed by looking at pictures? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-18-11 12:32 AM |
#308 |
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"I am talking about brainwashing and programming people to accept things like violence as being ok" |
uppityperson |
Oct-18-11 01:08 AM |
#311 |
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and you think ads for, say, skin cream program people to think violence is ok? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-18-11 10:53 AM |
#316 |
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Ads showing violence program people to think violence is ok. Not sure why this is such a hard concep |
uppityperson |
Oct-18-11 12:09 PM |
#319 |
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I just think you're seeing different ads than the rest of us. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-18-11 12:28 PM |
#320 |
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With this in mind: |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:35 PM |
#362 |
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I just don't grok why you need to control what other people look at. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 04:43 PM |
#365 |
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And I don't grok why using images of oversexualized women |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:50 PM |
#369 |
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I guess my "resistance" is my opinion, too, and IMO it's the progressive one. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 05:36 PM |
#376 |
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Absolutely. If advertising didn't work, companies wouldn't spend millions on it. nt |
raccoon |
Oct-18-11 12:39 PM |
#321 |
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Advertising by Bill Hicks: |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-18-11 01:23 PM |
#323 |
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Ah, yes. Bill Hicks. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-18-11 01:46 PM |
#325 |
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Ah yes, Bill Hicks. His Goat Boy character was so great, wasn't it? |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:23 PM |
#353 |
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I must have missed that bit. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 04:25 PM |
#355 |
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I was just joining in the Bill Hicks fun. |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:28 PM |
#359 |
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Ah. Rumor has it that in porn, it's not necessarily true that everyone is a consenting adult. |
MH1 |
Oct-19-11 03:11 PM |
#344 |
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you shouldn't believe rumors, first off. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 04:10 PM |
#348 |
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Uh, it's always been like this where women have been concerned |
Warpy |
Oct-14-11 03:55 PM |
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my problem is women (not all) promote the stuff. like the little girl |
okieinpain |
Oct-14-11 04:35 PM |
#70 |
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And you accuse ME of not making sense? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:57 PM |
#83 |
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Excuse me? |
Warpy |
Oct-14-11 05:15 PM |
#97 |
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I like a working toilet, but I don't want to pump septic tanks. |
REP |
Oct-14-11 04:31 PM |
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interesting comparison. porn = septic tank. |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:34 PM |
#153 |
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Can't get away from either one. Both serve a purpose. |
REP |
Oct-14-11 08:06 PM |
#167 |
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Nothing wrong with looking at a hot chick. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-14-11 03:39 PM |
#2 |
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agreed, nothing wrong with looking at a beautiful women |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:05 PM |
#33 |
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Your view is sexist. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-14-11 04:10 PM |
#37 |
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Of course they can whatever they want. |
boston bean |
Oct-14-11 04:13 PM |
#40 |
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Plenty of women can "escape" it. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-14-11 04:30 PM |
#62 |
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How many women POTUS have we had? How many CEOs are women? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 05:06 PM |
#88 |
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You missed the point. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-14-11 09:16 PM |
#173 |
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What do men's attitudes have to do with it |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-15-11 10:57 AM |
#225 |
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What are you talking about? Your assumption that I'm judging women who create sexualized images of |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:36 PM |
#72 |
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They should listen to Elanor Roosevelt, then. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:13 PM |
#41 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-14-11 04:48 PM |
#79 |
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Bull. |
polly7 |
Oct-14-11 04:54 PM |
#81 |
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Wait. You're saying that some teenage girls are worried about how they look? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:59 PM |
#84 |
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Funny. |
polly7 |
Oct-14-11 05:17 PM |
#101 |
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That's horrible. I'm sorry. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 05:28 PM |
#109 |
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Yes, it was. I know her aunt, who told me of some of the |
polly7 |
Oct-14-11 05:42 PM |
#116 |
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Fortunately, people take bullying a LOT more seriously than they used to. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 02:56 AM |
#189 |
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That's right |
canetoad |
Oct-14-11 06:07 PM |
#131 |
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Elanor Roosevelt said it |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 02:57 AM |
#190 |
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Like so many aphorisms, that one is only half-true. People can indeed make you feel inferior |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 03:32 AM |
#199 |
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Of course we don't choose our feelings. |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-15-11 03:05 PM |
#244 |
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Thanks Ed. I don't think many children have developed the thick skin that Warren seems to think is |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 05:20 PM |
#250 |
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I said upthread, I am glad bullying is taken way more seriously than it was when I was a kid |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:41 PM |
#257 |
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That's great Warren, but do you think we exist in a vacuum? We're social animals, and we learn |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 06:04 PM |
#260 |
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No, we don't exist in a vacuum. But consenting adults fucking in front of cameras |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 06:36 PM |
#262 |
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What about the porn INDUSTRY? Not the sex tape that amateurs are making in their bedrooms, |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 08:25 PM |
#266 |
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Several Points: 1) Adults are generally considered to be people over 18. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 08:42 PM |
#267 |
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Framing the argument to be trite and superficial seems to be your specialty. Keep complaining that |
shcrane71 |
Oct-16-11 12:22 AM |
#271 |
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you're |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-16-11 12:26 AM |
#272 |
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"gender specific images"= hogtied split beaver, not |
uppityperson |
Oct-17-11 04:01 PM |
#292 |
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I don't know. I have never seen pictures of hog-tied women. I would agree with |
sinkingfeeling |
Oct-14-11 03:40 PM |
#3 |
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Welcome to DU. You're going to find out that there is a wide |
MineralMan |
Oct-14-11 03:40 PM |
#4 |
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My main question would be: What do you want done about these images? |
Silent3 |
Oct-14-11 03:41 PM |
#5 |
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a respectable discussion about the images would be nice |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 03:45 PM |
#9 |
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You need to do a better job of defining your terms |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:55 PM |
#20 |
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I'm not unwilling to have a discussion like that, but... |
Silent3 |
Oct-14-11 04:02 PM |
#28 |
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Possibly. |
Chan790 |
Oct-15-11 02:56 AM |
#188 |
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We shape society's mores and values by what we accept. |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-14-11 03:53 PM |
#18 |
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"high fiving in the locker room" And you think WOMEN are subjected to goofy stereotyping??? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:57 PM |
#21 |
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So you're old and haven't been to gym class in a long time. So? |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-14-11 04:21 PM |
#48 |
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You think demand for porn is going to go down? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:26 PM |
#58 |
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Stay on topic. The OP is referring to women being bound and gagged |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-14-11 04:44 PM |
#76 |
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Where are these 'audiences salivating over images of women being depicted as bound, gagged'? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:01 PM |
#85 |
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So you think depictions of rape are to be OK |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-14-11 05:16 PM |
#98 |
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You didn't answer the question. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:18 PM |
#103 |
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If you're so spun up over the characterization of the term "salivating" you |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-14-11 05:28 PM |
#110 |
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You seem awfully hung up on what I can only imagine is a very specific example |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 02:26 AM |
#183 |
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+1 |
proverbialwisdom |
Oct-15-11 12:46 PM |
#235 |
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I laughed, but was sad about the truth in your insight. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 06:00 PM |
#126 |
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Thanks. What's really sad is I was being completely serious. n/t |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-14-11 06:28 PM |
#150 |
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I know. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 09:36 PM |
#177 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-14-11 07:44 PM |
#165 |
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I'll take your word for it, thanks. I have to imagine most of that stuff is illegal. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 02:29 AM |
#184 |
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Well, you asked for examples, |
thucythucy |
Oct-15-11 05:14 AM |
#206 |
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Okay. Give a definition of non-degrading porn: Two people having sex. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:46 AM |
#208 |
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... |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 04:05 AM |
#203 |
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Never mind. I found it. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:08 PM |
#89 |
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How about the whole |
thucythucy |
Oct-14-11 07:18 PM |
#160 |
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I hadn't really thought about it. What about "Bend Over Boyfriend" porn? Is that degrading to men? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 02:35 AM |
#185 |
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Your simple criterion |
thucythucy |
Oct-15-11 05:54 AM |
#210 |
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Birth of a Nation was an extremely important film for lots of reasons. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 06:01 AM |
#211 |
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I picked BOAN |
thucythucy |
Oct-15-11 10:33 AM |
#221 |
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Bookmarked for future reference. |
proverbialwisdom |
Oct-15-11 01:12 PM |
#237 |
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"Bend Over Boyfriend" series involves women anally penetrating men with, ah, strap-on items. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:32 PM |
#254 |
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I thought I did answer your question |
thucythucy |
Oct-18-11 10:03 AM |
#312 |
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I just wanted to add |
thucythucy |
Oct-18-11 10:13 AM |
#313 |
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I think there's a difference between, say, 'critiquing' individual books and books-in-general |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-18-11 12:47 PM |
#322 |
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As I said earlier on |
thucythucy |
Oct-18-11 05:16 PM |
#327 |
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I fully support the right of people to like or not like whatever they do, or don't. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-18-11 05:27 PM |
#329 |
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Of course Birth of a Nation was only one film. |
thucythucy |
Oct-18-11 07:59 PM |
#330 |
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it is not 95% |
seabeyond |
Oct-18-11 09:45 PM |
#333 |
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Thank you for this |
thucythucy |
Oct-18-11 10:02 PM |
#334 |
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"....no no no not MY man!!!" ...uh, bad news: yeah, him too. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 04:05 PM |
#347 |
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Warren, I see you still haven't answered |
thucythucy |
Oct-19-11 04:26 PM |
#358 |
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This thread is approaching DU "epic" size. I don't know if you remember the "moon bombing" fracas |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 04:49 PM |
#368 |
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a BYU study had 87% of men looking at porn in the prior year. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 05:39 PM |
#377 |
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a poll from a magazine with an agenda for an article?... wow. shocker. nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-19-11 06:55 PM |
#379 |
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actually, the non-scientific conclusions in that article, I think are sort of dubious |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 07:07 PM |
#380 |
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the studies are in the post and i saw nowhere |
seabeyond |
Oct-19-11 07:19 PM |
#381 |
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yes, if he says he isnt, he is lying. because of posters like you, men pm me to let me know, no |
seabeyond |
Oct-19-11 04:46 PM |
#366 |
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Yes, we mercilessly pick on people who don't look at smut. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 05:35 PM |
#375 |
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How about you give us a link telling us where you got that information from? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-19-11 02:45 PM |
#338 |
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It's indisputable that Birth of a Nation produced an actual Klan resurgence |
alcibiades_mystery |
Oct-18-11 12:57 AM |
#310 |
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You have the right tack, NU |
annabanana |
Oct-14-11 06:22 PM |
#144 |
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If we had a choice between a restrictive theocracy |
The Doctor. |
Oct-14-11 06:31 PM |
#152 |
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Some of us are into BDSM and don't find that sort of porn objectionable. |
Matariki |
Oct-14-11 03:42 PM |
#7 |
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For The Thread Win. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:58 PM |
#23 |
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If public imagery with men tied up were in reality as common as that same |
eridani |
Oct-14-11 04:05 PM |
#32 |
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There is plenty of porn out there with men being tied up. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:09 PM |
#36 |
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Women too |
Matariki |
Oct-14-11 04:20 PM |
#45 |
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Human sexuality is a beautiful, many splendor'd rainbow. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:13 PM |
#94 |
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Yes, but does it appear with equal frequency in mass media advertising? |
eridani |
Oct-14-11 04:43 PM |
#75 |
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Are there an abundance of bondage pictures in mass media advertising? n/t |
Unvanguard |
Oct-14-11 04:57 PM |
#82 |
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don't know what you mean by abundance, but there are some. |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 05:28 PM |
#108 |
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Check the Ms magazine "No Comment" section n/t |
eridani |
Oct-14-11 09:06 PM |
#172 |
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You just aren't looking in the right places |
Matariki |
Oct-14-11 04:19 PM |
#44 |
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Porn that people with specialized tastes that you have to look for isn't the problem |
eridani |
Oct-14-11 09:05 PM |
#171 |
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I agree with that. |
Matariki |
Oct-14-11 10:21 PM |
#180 |
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Indeed. Kiddy pageants are far more in the face of the general public |
eridani |
Oct-15-11 01:02 AM |
#181 |
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There's a relationship between images and child beauty pageants. |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 04:00 AM |
#202 |
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The only magazines I read are Scientific American and Discover. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 03:00 AM |
#191 |
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Your assessment is inaccurate, and you didn't answer my original question |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:20 PM |
#46 |
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Your premise is nonsense and yes I dismiss it. |
Matariki |
Oct-14-11 04:23 PM |
#53 |
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THANK YOU! |
Codeine |
Oct-20-11 07:11 PM |
#385 |
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if everyone involved is a CONSENTING ADULT, you don't have to like it, but it's not your place to |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:44 PM |
#8 |
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So what do you think about the Miss Reprensentation trailer? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 03:48 PM |
#11 |
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Haven't seen it. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:51 PM |
#15 |
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So, you're not going to discuss what I started this thread to discuss then. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:02 PM |
#29 |
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Okay, I watched it. Now how about YOU define your terms. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:11 PM |
#38 |
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Nice tactic Warren, but the question is/was... |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:25 PM |
#55 |
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I don't think you can have the discussion without defining your basic terms. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:31 PM |
#63 |
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Yeah, everybody get in your place. |
undeterred |
Oct-14-11 03:48 PM |
#13 |
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So adult women aren't capable of consent? They need to be protected, of course. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:52 PM |
#16 |
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It isn't a question of what consenting adults |
thucythucy |
Oct-14-11 07:53 PM |
#166 |
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So adult women aren't capable of consent? do we not challenge women who choose to live patriachal |
seabeyond |
Oct-17-11 06:28 AM |
#287 |
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and I'm not demanding that cultural hand-wringing & complaints re:smut be censored/banned, either |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 03:57 PM |
#290 |
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Some people would like to take that choice away from women. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-14-11 03:50 PM |
#14 |
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Yep. Need a giant fucking asterisk after "Pro-Choice"* |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:53 PM |
#19 |
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are you going to watch the trailer? It doesn't seem like you want to discuss on this discussion |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 03:59 PM |
#26 |
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Looked like spam bait to me. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-14-11 04:02 PM |
#30 |
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I watched the trailer. You get to see Condi Rice weigh in on 'doing the right thing'. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:08 PM |
#35 |
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Okay, I watched the trailer. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:07 PM |
#34 |
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So, where are these empowering images of women??? How do we get more empowering images of women? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:31 PM |
#64 |
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Write a television pilot. If you're really rich, buy a network. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:34 PM |
#68 |
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Most young girls aren't writers, nor, have they been alive long enough to have the capital to buy |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 05:49 PM |
#120 |
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"the capital to buy their own video recorder?" You DO realize that it's 2011, don't you? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 03:19 AM |
#197 |
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It's amazing that some people have that view. THAT's the real sexist view. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-14-11 04:01 PM |
#27 |
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you're confused. the op isn't about what people do in private, or what pornography they consume, |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 10:08 PM |
#179 |
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Lots of consenting adults hate porn, and they are making their views heard. |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-14-11 04:22 PM |
#51 |
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Why do you think a picture of people fucking somehow turns the people into "things"? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:04 PM |
#87 |
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You must REALLY hate the internet. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 06:42 PM |
#263 |
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This thread is useless without pictures. |
Common Sense Party |
Oct-14-11 03:52 PM |
#17 |
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I agree |
snooper2 |
Oct-14-11 04:44 PM |
#77 |
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I think that post was blogspam |
slackmaster |
Oct-14-11 03:57 PM |
#22 |
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Too late. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 03:58 PM |
#24 |
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Thanks, SHCrane71 for your thoughtful topic |
Mimosa |
Oct-14-11 03:59 PM |
#25 |
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Have you read Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:40 PM |
#73 |
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I'm very upset at how badly porn degrades men. |
The Doctor. |
Oct-14-11 07:13 PM |
#159 |
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Wow where to begin... Unfortunately, when many women are among the ones promoting... |
hlthe2b |
Oct-14-11 04:03 PM |
#31 |
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Who or What Will Decide Which Image(s) is/are Degrading to Women? |
Yavin4 |
Oct-14-11 04:12 PM |
#39 |
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The difference is that pornography is a highly specific sort of medium. |
Unvanguard |
Oct-14-11 04:21 PM |
#49 |
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Channeling Andrea Dworkin? |
Upton |
Oct-14-11 04:22 PM |
#50 |
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No self-respecting progressives treat women as objects to be demeaned either. |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-14-11 04:23 PM |
#52 |
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So, you believe all porn is demeaning to women? |
Upton |
Oct-14-11 04:26 PM |
#59 |
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Do you like to project onto others? |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-14-11 06:28 PM |
#149 |
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It's a free country, speak all you want |
Major Nikon |
Oct-15-11 11:13 AM |
#226 |
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Her crusade was hilarious. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-14-11 04:26 PM |
#57 |
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Didn't say a thing about censorship; so, don't blame me that your porn isn't aired during prime time |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:28 PM |
#60 |
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Glad to hear you don't believe in censorship.. |
Upton |
Oct-14-11 04:32 PM |
#65 |
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So, are you working diligently to allow porn on broadcast networks? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 04:47 PM |
#78 |
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it's shown to young people though. witness these ads, supposedly to "get out the youth vote" |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 05:58 PM |
#125 |
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grosssss |
marions ghost |
Oct-14-11 06:55 PM |
#156 |
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Though I am not really on board with Andrea Dworkin on this issue |
Unvanguard |
Oct-14-11 04:30 PM |
#61 |
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Andrea Dworkin was a sad, mentally ill individual who could have benefitted from anti-psychotic meds |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:32 PM |
#66 |
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It's always nice when someone makes my point for me. n/t |
Unvanguard |
Oct-14-11 04:34 PM |
#69 |
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By the time she died, she was sure she was being chased by invisible penises. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 04:36 PM |
#71 |
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dworkin was ugly, so she was derided most harshly. you don't hear that |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:03 PM |
#129 |
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Was she? I've never seen a picture of her. |
AngkorWot |
Oct-14-11 06:22 PM |
#143 |
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Naomi Wolff has written that penetrative intercourse is oppressive and needs to be abolished? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 03:01 AM |
#192 |
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You made your point when you put "free speech" in quotes like it was icky dog doo |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-16-11 12:33 AM |
#273 |
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That was a different point. |
Unvanguard |
Oct-16-11 09:10 AM |
#276 |
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"It's past time..."? No, it isn't. Free Speech works just fine, and doesn't need to he "repaired". |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-16-11 03:30 PM |
#277 |
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I'm pleased to see that you can recite the relevant parts of the catechism. |
Unvanguard |
Oct-16-11 10:09 PM |
#283 |
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Speaking of catechism, you're right in there with the "free speech needs to have a purpose". Ah, no. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 12:44 AM |
#284 |
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Please don't put words in my mouth. |
Unvanguard |
Oct-17-11 01:40 AM |
#285 |
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Well, I'm something of a 1st Amendment Absolutist. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 11:14 AM |
#288 |
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nevermind, waste of bandwidth, sorry Skinner n/t |
Scout |
Oct-14-11 07:06 PM |
#158 |
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Times have been very degrading for women. Only recently has there been any empowerment |
Fire Walk With Me |
Oct-14-11 04:25 PM |
#56 |
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You mean like this? |
snooper2 |
Oct-14-11 04:41 PM |
#74 |
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THAT is offensive. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:03 PM |
#86 |
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Sure, pornographic images of hog-tied women can be harmful. So what about the same images |
The Doctor. |
Oct-14-11 05:09 PM |
#90 |
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Link to images of nekkid hog-tied men? |
leftstreet |
Oct-14-11 05:11 PM |
#92 |
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They're out there. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:12 PM |
#93 |
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I guess you'd defend about anything. |
Mimosa |
Oct-14-11 05:15 PM |
#95 |
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Inevitable. Can't make an argument about CONSENTING ADULTS w/o bringing in non-consent/non-adults? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:17 PM |
#99 |
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I missed them. Thanks. n/t |
Mimosa |
Oct-14-11 05:18 PM |
#102 |
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So no, in answer, I wouldn't defend anything, but I do think consenting adults |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-14-11 05:19 PM |
#104 |
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Listening to others is a beautiful, many splendor'd rainbow. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 05:21 PM |
#105 |
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(content warning) i've not seen them used in advertising. i've seen this kind of stuff though: |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 05:31 PM |
#112 |
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Imagery in above posts is degrading to women. |
Mimosa |
Oct-14-11 05:47 PM |
#119 |
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of course it is. highly degrading. and children's sexuality *is* influenced |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 05:49 PM |
#121 |
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I don't put it all on men. |
Mimosa |
Oct-14-11 06:25 PM |
#147 |
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My suggestion? Get a subscription to Scientific American. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 03:07 AM |
#195 |
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Or bass fishing magazines. You'll not see degrading photos |
MineralMan |
Oct-15-11 08:34 AM |
#212 |
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Sicko! |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:39 PM |
#256 |
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You can see it on billboards, in music magazines like rolling stone. |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 03:53 PM |
#246 |
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They still have music videos? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:27 PM |
#251 |
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Seems that empowering women and supporting their achievements will help break these |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 05:17 PM |
#100 |
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Men also have trouble achieving parity in pay with other men. |
The Doctor. |
Oct-14-11 05:45 PM |
#118 |
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Most women on DU are against degrading women |
lunatica |
Oct-14-11 05:10 PM |
#91 |
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The OP provided the fuel... |
catabryna |
Oct-14-11 05:23 PM |
#106 |
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What do you propose we do? Censor offending images? |
Taverner |
Oct-14-11 05:24 PM |
#107 |
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What's wrong with saying, "Dude, that's not cool. Rape isn't entertainment." |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-14-11 05:29 PM |
#111 |
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That would be cool. :) |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 05:39 PM |
#114 |
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It's not the same thing |
Major Nikon |
Oct-15-11 09:36 AM |
#214 |
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It isn't about censorhship, and if you don't think there's already censorship you're kidding urself |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 05:38 PM |
#113 |
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Oh I agree with you. Except the male porn star thing. |
Taverner |
Oct-14-11 05:51 PM |
#122 |
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I see... but no one is talking about legislating. But that *is* an idea... |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 05:55 PM |
#124 |
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Carrots work better than sticks |
Taverner |
Oct-14-11 06:00 PM |
#127 |
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I am all for a greater diversity of voices in the media, etc. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 03:11 AM |
#196 |
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Mods, pls get rid of rabbit pic which wrecked the thread. n/t |
Mimosa |
Oct-14-11 05:42 PM |
#117 |
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That's not a rabbit, lol. |
LWolf |
Oct-14-11 05:53 PM |
#123 |
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Rabbits are no longer classified as rodents, they are Lagomorphs. N/T |
Marengo |
Oct-15-11 09:11 AM |
#213 |
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A classification I've never heard of. |
LWolf |
Oct-15-11 10:29 AM |
#220 |
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My favorite part of these "Pornography is bad" or "Pornography is bad for women" threads is... |
stevenleser |
Oct-14-11 06:02 PM |
#128 |
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there is a difference between an act and an image. we aren't talking about people |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:05 PM |
#130 |
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"sexualized torture." Oh for fuck's sake, are you talking about S&M? |
AngkorWot |
Oct-14-11 06:09 PM |
#132 |
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as i said, i'm talking about advertising images. not porn. not people's private lives. |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:11 PM |
# |
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Then turn the page and look at something else? |
AngkorWot |
Oct-14-11 06:12 PM |
#135 |
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i see. so if people don't like images of sexualized torture displayed in public, they |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:15 PM |
#137 |
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"they should just turn away?" |
AngkorWot |
Oct-14-11 06:17 PM |
#139 |
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actually, they can't, angkor. |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:19 PM |
#140 |
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Shit, my kid can. Can't yours? |
AngkorWot |
Oct-14-11 06:20 PM |
#141 |
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i'm sure your kid is very special. i'm also sure you don't know all there is to know |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:24 PM |
#146 |
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Seems like a pretty normal kid to me. |
AngkorWot |
Oct-14-11 06:25 PM |
#148 |
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k, you're kid can turn away from disturbing images, but when all his friends keep describing the |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 12:35 PM |
#233 |
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you got it, Ed. n/t |
Scout |
Oct-14-11 06:54 PM |
#155 |
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+1 |
proverbialwisdom |
Oct-15-11 02:23 PM |
#239 |
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Is that like "If you don't like smoking in a bar, don't go there?" |
The Straight Story |
Oct-16-11 08:01 PM |
#282 |
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Maybe if images of S&M caused cancer. |
AngkorWot |
Oct-17-11 06:07 PM |
#304 |
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It's still a media image. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 06:15 PM |
#136 |
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and? |
AngkorWot |
Oct-14-11 06:16 PM |
#138 |
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and media images are very powerful, so not sure what your point is. |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:21 PM |
#142 |
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EXACTLY! |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-17-11 06:25 PM |
#305 |
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I haven't heard anyone here say that sex is a bad thing. That's not what the discussion is about. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 06:11 PM |
#134 |
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of course it's not. but painting anyone who doesn't want sex in their face |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 06:30 PM |
#151 |
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How does bringing up the imagery of hog tied women help? |
dkf |
Oct-14-11 06:09 PM |
#133 |
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Is it too late to break out the popcorn? |
Cats Against Frist |
Oct-14-11 06:22 PM |
#145 |
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Yep, they'll just find different ways to screw it up. |
The Doctor. |
Oct-14-11 06:37 PM |
#154 |
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Self empowerment and liberty means being able to do what you want. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-14-11 06:56 PM |
#157 |
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i just love how your request for a discussion of degrading images of women.... |
Scout |
Oct-14-11 07:19 PM |
#161 |
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I hear ya. It's like banging your head (oh tee hee) against ideological talking points |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 07:24 PM |
#162 |
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ideological talking points, you say? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-17-11 03:55 PM |
#289 |
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+1 |
musette_sf |
Oct-14-11 07:39 PM |
#163 |
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As I hinted at earlier, when this is viewed through an LGBT*.* perspective, it becomes much clearer |
stevenleser |
Oct-14-11 07:43 PM |
#164 |
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sooo... some boys like to see boys tied up, and some girls like to see some girls tied up... |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 08:15 PM |
#168 |
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That by itself? No, it doesn't. |
stevenleser |
Oct-14-11 08:31 PM |
#169 |
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Advertising isn't "the porn industry". It's advertising, used to sell commodities. |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 08:37 PM |
#170 |
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When you attempt to use wordplay and strawman arguments, its hard to come to a consensus nt |
stevenleser |
Oct-14-11 09:21 PM |
#175 |
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perhaps you'll be so good as to point out the wordplay & strawmen. |
EdMaven |
Oct-14-11 09:44 PM |
#178 |
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Uncertain how objections to porn images means someone has an unhealthy view of sex? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-14-11 09:34 PM |
#176 |
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I think a crash course in Korzybyski's General Semantics might help. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 02:51 AM |
#187 |
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What's the Korzybyski semantics of "that was utterly meaningless and incomprehensible drivel"? n/t |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 12:42 PM |
#234 |
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Obviously, you're not a fan of Korzybyski. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:43 PM |
#258 |
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Thank you. |
Sparkly |
Oct-14-11 09:18 PM |
#174 |
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+1000000000000000000 |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-15-11 10:28 AM |
#219 |
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the yell for freedom of speech as they demand, insist, insult for others to STFU. i hear ya. nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-17-11 06:14 AM |
#286 |
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I'd counter-argue... |
Chan790 |
Oct-15-11 02:25 AM |
#182 |
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The OP isn't about what goes on in private bedrooms. |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 02:41 AM |
#186 |
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No, it's about photography of sexual acts...specifically of bondage. |
Chan790 |
Oct-15-11 03:01 AM |
#193 |
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It's not about "photography". It's about the use of such images in public media. |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 03:05 AM |
#194 |
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All media is public by-definition. |
Chan790 |
Oct-15-11 03:46 AM |
#200 |
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1) All media is not public "by definition". 2) Bondage images *are* being |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 04:17 AM |
#204 |
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Sustained applause and standing ovation! Thank you for your powerful posts on this topic. |
proverbialwisdom |
Oct-15-11 02:46 PM |
#242 |
| -
...is there an echo in here? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-16-11 07:53 PM |
#281 |
| -
Mind if I say... wow? |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:40 PM |
#364 |
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Boy, was I wrong. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 03:31 AM |
#198 |
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Three PETA months? Can't we switch one of those for a pit bull month, |
petronius |
Oct-15-11 12:20 PM |
#232 |
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PETA is like the jackpot of flamebait topics. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:28 PM |
#252 |
| -
Absolute thread-win.... |
truebrit71 |
Oct-18-11 02:00 PM |
#326 |
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It is similar to the way black people were depicted in movies and TV |
Liquorice |
Oct-15-11 03:48 AM |
#201 |
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Similar in some ways, perhaps, but still considerably different |
Major Nikon |
Oct-15-11 09:51 AM |
#215 |
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
proverbialwisdom |
Oct-15-11 02:49 PM |
#243 |
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That is precisely the way I see it as well. (nt) |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:14 PM |
#350 |
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i don't think it will be many generations. i think this new experiment on our youth with inundation |
seabeyond |
Oct-19-11 04:53 PM |
#370 |
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+1, though I don't know if our species will survive long enough |
Lorien |
Oct-20-11 07:02 PM |
#383 |
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It's my opinion that... |
Unrepentant Fenian |
Oct-15-11 05:13 AM |
#205 |
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another one who didn't bother to read the op. |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 05:22 AM |
#207 |
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If people don't want to read the op |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:53 AM |
#209 |
| -
What's an OP? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 10:45 AM |
#222 |
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Original Poster or Original Post |
Major Nikon |
Oct-15-11 10:48 AM |
#224 |
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Thanks. What is n/t? Sorry about all these dumb questions. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 12:04 PM |
#229 |
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No text |
Major Nikon |
Oct-15-11 12:14 PM |
#230 |
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The documentary *is* thought-provoking, and I do plug it to all my friends, BUT the OP is more about |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 12:18 PM |
#231 |
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Do subscription sites selling illegal content advertise as such? Of course not. |
proverbialwisdom |
Oct-15-11 05:29 PM |
#253 |
| -
Okay, thanks for the definition. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 05:38 PM |
#255 |
| -
How do you figure that? |
Major Nikon |
Oct-15-11 10:47 AM |
#223 |
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It is utterly absurd to wonder if any one on the Left is opposed to |
snagglepuss |
Oct-15-11 10:20 AM |
#216 |
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+1000000000000000000 |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-15-11 10:26 AM |
#218 |
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Not that long ago, it was socially acceptable for men to smack women to keep them in line. |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-15-11 11:17 AM |
#227 |
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It's pretty hard to imagine a hog-tying image outside the context of porn |
Major Nikon |
Oct-15-11 01:06 PM |
#236 |
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Hog-tying is only one example, but I saw that on TV this past week. |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-15-11 04:05 PM |
#247 |
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the "contingent of progressives who see nothing wrong w/ degrading images of women" are more vocal |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 12:03 PM |
#228 |
| -
It is utterly absurd to wonder if any one on the Left is opposed to |
snagglepuss |
Oct-15-11 10:22 AM |
#217 |
| -
*LMAO* |
Hydra |
Oct-15-11 01:38 PM |
#238 |
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Assumptions hinders one's listening abilities. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 02:29 PM |
#240 |
| -
Umm...what? |
Hydra |
Oct-15-11 02:44 PM |
#241 |
| -
Huh??? |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 04:48 PM |
#248 |
| -
Sometimes I feel that the degradation of women will be the last fight in civil rights. |
TNLib |
Oct-15-11 03:35 PM |
#245 |
| -
Agreed. |
shcrane71 |
Oct-15-11 04:50 PM |
#249 |
| -
Did you know that rape is one of the most common female sexual fantasies? |
woo me with science |
Oct-15-11 05:52 PM |
#259 |
| -
and to you, this factoid = images of rape should be displayed in public? |
EdMaven |
Oct-15-11 06:33 PM |
#261 |
| -
Do you have anything beyond that one Dolce & Gabbana ad from 6 years ago? |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 06:56 PM |
#264 |
| -
Kidding, right? Never seen ads implying sexual violence and its aftermath? |
proverbialwisdom |
Oct-16-11 05:21 PM |
#278 |
| -
I buy most of my clothes from Costco. I wouldn't know who Dolce & Gabbana IS if it wasn't for the |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-16-11 07:51 PM |
#280 |
| -
In discussion forums, it is rarely a good idea |
woo me with science |
Oct-15-11 07:00 PM |
#265 |
| -
That putting words in peoples' mouths thing is awfully kinky. |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-15-11 08:43 PM |
#268 |
| -
... |
woo me with science |
Oct-15-11 09:59 PM |
#269 |
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phrased in the form of a question, art. "not sure what your point is," etc. |
EdMaven |
Oct-16-11 12:21 AM |
#270 |
| -
Way to *not* get that documentary and turn it into your pet issue. |
Matariki |
Oct-16-11 04:04 AM |
#275 |
| -
Canadian Documentary: "Oral Sex Is The New Goodnight Kiss" |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-17-11 05:56 PM |
#303 |
| -
Are we really supposed to believe a vice cop on the prevalence of casual prostitution among girls? |
JVS |
Oct-18-11 12:41 AM |
#309 |
| -
Unfortunately, alliances between authoritarian members of the 'left' and far right wingers |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-18-11 11:02 AM |
#317 |
| -
Like most things |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-18-11 11:27 AM |
#318 |
| -
Thanks for this post |
thucythucy |
Oct-18-11 10:17 AM |
#314 |
| -
i would say |
seabeyond |
Oct-18-11 10:33 AM |
#315 |
| -
You're welcome. |
thucythucy |
Oct-18-11 05:24 PM |
#328 |
| -
I'd have to see the pics. It depends on what you call "degrading images of women." nt |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-18-11 01:34 PM |
#324 |
| -
Who or What Is Going to Define What Image(s) Is/Are Degrading to Women? |
Yavin4 |
Oct-18-11 08:22 PM |
#331 |
| -
Who or what is going to define what is |
thucythucy |
Oct-18-11 09:26 PM |
#332 |
| -
The Answer Is No One Does |
Yavin4 |
Oct-19-11 11:06 AM |
#335 |
| -
Yes, I can answer your question. |
thucythucy |
Oct-19-11 02:21 PM |
#337 |
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i don't know why it is so difficult for some. i was teaching kids at 3 about false advertisement |
seabeyond |
Oct-19-11 02:48 PM |
#339 |
| -
Weird though, isn't it |
thucythucy |
Oct-19-11 02:57 PM |
#342 |
| -
All I Ask Is Who or What Defines Demeaning? |
Yavin4 |
Oct-19-11 04:25 PM |
#356 |
| -
Brilliant post. |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 02:56 PM |
#341 |
| -
"We all define for ourselves what we find demeaning. " |
Yavin4 |
Oct-19-11 04:20 PM |
#351 |
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Instead of debating "demeaning", how about focusing on demonstratably harmful? |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:31 PM |
#360 |
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Name removed |
Oct-19-11 04:54 PM |
#371 |
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Case in point |
Yavin4 |
Oct-19-11 11:11 AM |
#336 |
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Yup, that looks pretty racist to me. |
thucythucy |
Oct-19-11 02:52 PM |
#340 |
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Here's What I Am Saying |
Yavin4 |
Oct-19-11 04:22 PM |
#352 |
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Completely naked, no. Sexualized? |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:25 PM |
#357 |
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Ashcroft Ordered That Nude Statues Be Covered Up |
Yavin4 |
Oct-19-11 06:55 PM |
#378 |
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Well obviously we all have to live |
thucythucy |
Oct-19-11 05:12 PM |
#372 |
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Vulgarity sells effectively and efficient. |
LanternWaste |
Oct-19-11 03:07 PM |
#343 |
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A Good Number of People Would Define "Mad Men" As Vulgar |
Yavin4 |
Oct-19-11 04:23 PM |
#354 |
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Objecitfying images are the issue, as I see it. |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 03:12 PM |
#345 |
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American Psychological Association: "Sexualization of Girls Linked to... |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-19-11 03:51 PM |
#346 |
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Thank you ... I don't know why we need a study to tell us this. |
redqueen |
Oct-19-11 04:13 PM |
#349 |
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You're welcome redqueen |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-19-11 04:31 PM |
#361 |
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This Study Seems Very Flawed |
Yavin4 |
Oct-19-11 04:38 PM |
#363 |
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Gee, I dunno... |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-19-11 04:49 PM |
#367 |
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So basically, you have a standard gaggle of culture war anti-sex crusaders from both left & right |
Warren DeMontague |
Oct-20-11 06:54 PM |
#382 |
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Thank you for this. |
thucythucy |
Oct-19-11 05:16 PM |
#373 |
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You're welcome & best wishes to you too thucythucy |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-19-11 05:21 PM |
#374 |
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Leaving Men Behind: Women Go to College in Ever-Greater Numbers |
Exultant Democracy |
Oct-20-11 07:06 PM |
#384 |
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