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241. Umm...what?
You know what? Never mind. Don't let me get in the way of you complaining about the world going to hell the way my church going relatives do. They think that censorship is the answer too, and not because they respect women. It's because they think naked human bodies and the things people do with them are "obscene."
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  -Degrading images of women shcrane71  Oct-14-11 03:35 PM   #0 
  - Some 'progressives' don't like to hear women "whine" about that stuff.  Liberal_in_LA   Oct-14-11 03:37 PM   #1 
  - when did we become so unempathetic?  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 03:41 PM   #6 
     - And some women complain that they would be upset if their daughters went on a pro-censorship kick  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:47 PM   #10 
     - define "porn". Define "problematic porn". Define "degrading image".  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:48 PM   #12 
     - Well, women would have trouble with their daughters being upset about hog-tied women.  Darth_Kitten   Oct-14-11 04:14 PM   #42 
        - Ah, yes, the children.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:18 PM   #43 
           - What?  Darth_Kitten   Oct-14-11 04:20 PM   #47 
           - Ah, yes, the Children.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:24 PM   #54 
           - "dominant patriarchal male gaze"  Generic Other   Oct-14-11 05:40 PM   #115 
           - right there with you. what?  okieinpain   Oct-14-11 04:33 PM   #67 
           - WTF?  hlthe2b   Oct-14-11 04:51 PM   #80 
           - still waitin' for those terms to be defined.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:15 PM   #96 
              - i got it on the first pass  SwampG8r   Oct-16-11 01:40 AM   #274 
                 - Edit. Delete.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-16-11 07:39 PM   #279 
           - Yeah, hog tied women = equality. what?  uppityperson   Oct-17-11 03:59 PM   #291 
              - there's a poster downthread who is into consensual adult bondage-ie being tied up  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 04:02 PM   #293 
                 - Because I'm trying to figure out what you are saying. Odd how I do that, want a poster to  uppityperson   Oct-17-11 04:04 PM   #294 
                    - What needs clarification? It's simple: is everyone involved a CONSENTING ADULT?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 04:08 PM   #295 
                       - As I have said before, I agree. Since you post this in reply to hog tied women  uppityperson   Oct-17-11 04:12 PM   #296 
                       - The original post had something to do with women and their daughters and 'hog-tied women'  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 04:18 PM   #297 
                          - Most of the advertising images I see of woman I'd say are degrading.  uppityperson   Oct-17-11 04:28 PM   #298 
                             - Where do you see these ads? Who are they aimed at?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 04:31 PM   #299 
                             - Tv, newspapers, magazines, billboards, etc etc etc.  uppityperson   Oct-17-11 04:38 PM   #302 
                             - Also, if people are so programmable, does that mean being gay is a 'choice'?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 04:33 PM   #300 
                             - No more than the color of your skin is a "choice".  uppityperson   Oct-17-11 04:36 PM   #301 
                                - So we agree.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-18-11 12:19 AM   #306 
                                   - Of course not. Not talking about degrading pictures changing anyone's sexual orientation as that is  uppityperson   Oct-18-11 12:30 AM   #307 
                                      - Okay, so what mental parameters do you feel are easily programmed by looking at pictures?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-18-11 12:32 AM   #308 
                                         - "I am talking about brainwashing and programming people to accept things like violence as being ok"  uppityperson   Oct-18-11 01:08 AM   #311 
                                            - and you think ads for, say, skin cream program people to think violence is ok?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-18-11 10:53 AM   #316 
                                            - Ads showing violence program people to think violence is ok. Not sure why this is such a hard concep  uppityperson   Oct-18-11 12:09 PM   #319 
                                            - I just think you're seeing different ads than the rest of us.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-18-11 12:28 PM   #320 
                                            - With this in mind:  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:35 PM   #362 
                                            - I just don't grok why you need to control what other people look at.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 04:43 PM   #365 
                                            - And I don't grok why using images of oversexualized women  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:50 PM   #369 
                                            - I guess my "resistance" is my opinion, too, and IMO it's the progressive one.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 05:36 PM   #376 
                             - Absolutely. If advertising didn't work, companies wouldn't spend millions on it. nt  raccoon   Oct-18-11 12:39 PM   #321 
                                - Advertising by Bill Hicks:  BrendaBrick   Oct-18-11 01:23 PM   #323 
                                   - Ah, yes. Bill Hicks.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-18-11 01:46 PM   #325 
                                      - Ah yes, Bill Hicks. His Goat Boy character was so great, wasn't it?  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:23 PM   #353 
                                         - I must have missed that bit.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 04:25 PM   #355 
                                            - I was just joining in the Bill Hicks fun.  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:28 PM   #359 
                       - Ah. Rumor has it that in porn, it's not necessarily true that everyone is a consenting adult.  MH1   Oct-19-11 03:11 PM   #344 
                          - you shouldn't believe rumors, first off.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 04:10 PM   #348 
     - Uh, it's always been like this where women have been concerned  Warpy   Oct-14-11 03:55 PM   # 
     - my problem is women (not all) promote the stuff. like the little girl  okieinpain   Oct-14-11 04:35 PM   #70 
        - And you accuse ME of not making sense?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:57 PM   #83 
        - Excuse me?  Warpy   Oct-14-11 05:15 PM   #97 
     - I like a working toilet, but I don't want to pump septic tanks.  REP   Oct-14-11 04:31 PM   # 
        - interesting comparison. porn = septic tank.  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:34 PM   #153 
           - Can't get away from either one. Both serve a purpose.  REP   Oct-14-11 08:06 PM   #167 
  - Nothing wrong with looking at a hot chick.  itsallhappening   Oct-14-11 03:39 PM   #2 
  - agreed, nothing wrong with looking at a beautiful women  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:05 PM   #33 
  - Your view is sexist.  itsallhappening   Oct-14-11 04:10 PM   #37 
  - Of course they can whatever they want.  boston bean   Oct-14-11 04:13 PM   #40 
  - Plenty of women can "escape" it.  itsallhappening   Oct-14-11 04:30 PM   #62 
     - How many women POTUS have we had? How many CEOs are women?  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 05:06 PM   #88 
     - You missed the point.  itsallhappening   Oct-14-11 09:16 PM   #173 
     - What do men's attitudes have to do with it  Gormy Cuss   Oct-15-11 10:57 AM   #225 
  - What are you talking about? Your assumption that I'm judging women who create sexualized images of  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:36 PM   #72 
  - They should listen to Elanor Roosevelt, then.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:13 PM   #41 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-14-11 04:48 PM   #79 
     - Bull.  polly7   Oct-14-11 04:54 PM   #81 
     - Wait. You're saying that some teenage girls are worried about how they look?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:59 PM   #84 
        - Funny.  polly7   Oct-14-11 05:17 PM   #101 
           - That's horrible. I'm sorry.  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 05:28 PM   #109 
           - Yes, it was. I know her aunt, who told me of some of the  polly7   Oct-14-11 05:42 PM   #116 
           - Fortunately, people take bullying a LOT more seriously than they used to.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 02:56 AM   #189 
     - That's right  canetoad   Oct-14-11 06:07 PM   #131 
     - Elanor Roosevelt said it  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 02:57 AM   #190 
     - Like so many aphorisms, that one is only half-true. People can indeed make you feel inferior  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 03:32 AM   #199 
        - Of course we don't choose our feelings.  MedicalAdmin   Oct-15-11 03:05 PM   #244 
        - Thanks Ed. I don't think many children have developed the thick skin that Warren seems to think is  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 05:20 PM   #250 
           - I said upthread, I am glad bullying is taken way more seriously than it was when I was a kid  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:41 PM   #257 
              - That's great Warren, but do you think we exist in a vacuum? We're social animals, and we learn  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 06:04 PM   #260 
                 - No, we don't exist in a vacuum. But consenting adults fucking in front of cameras  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 06:36 PM   #262 
                    - What about the porn INDUSTRY? Not the sex tape that amateurs are making in their bedrooms,  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 08:25 PM   #266 
                       - Several Points: 1) Adults are generally considered to be people over 18.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 08:42 PM   #267 
                          - Framing the argument to be trite and superficial seems to be your specialty. Keep complaining that  shcrane71   Oct-16-11 12:22 AM   #271 
                             - you're  Warren DeMontague   Oct-16-11 12:26 AM   #272 
  - "gender specific images"= hogtied split beaver, not  uppityperson   Oct-17-11 04:01 PM   #292 
  - I don't know. I have never seen pictures of hog-tied women. I would agree with  sinkingfeeling   Oct-14-11 03:40 PM   #3 
  - Welcome to DU. You're going to find out that there is a wide  MineralMan   Oct-14-11 03:40 PM   #4 
  - My main question would be: What do you want done about these images?  Silent3   Oct-14-11 03:41 PM   #5 
  - a respectable discussion about the images would be nice  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 03:45 PM   #9 
  - You need to do a better job of defining your terms  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:55 PM   #20 
  - I'm not unwilling to have a discussion like that, but...  Silent3   Oct-14-11 04:02 PM   #28 
  - Possibly.  Chan790   Oct-15-11 02:56 AM   #188 
  - We shape society's mores and values by what we accept.  Nuclear Unicorn   Oct-14-11 03:53 PM   #18 
     - "high fiving in the locker room" And you think WOMEN are subjected to goofy stereotyping???  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:57 PM   #21 
     - So you're old and haven't been to gym class in a long time. So?  Nuclear Unicorn   Oct-14-11 04:21 PM   #48 
        - You think demand for porn is going to go down?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:26 PM   #58 
        - Stay on topic. The OP is referring to women being bound and gagged  Nuclear Unicorn   Oct-14-11 04:44 PM   #76 
        - Where are these 'audiences salivating over images of women being depicted as bound, gagged'?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:01 PM   #85 
        - So you think depictions of rape are to be OK  Nuclear Unicorn   Oct-14-11 05:16 PM   #98 
        - You didn't answer the question.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:18 PM   #103 
        - If you're so spun up over the characterization of the term "salivating" you  Nuclear Unicorn   Oct-14-11 05:28 PM   #110 
           - You seem awfully hung up on what I can only imagine is a very specific example  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 02:26 AM   #183 
           - +1  proverbialwisdom   Oct-15-11 12:46 PM   #235 
        - I laughed, but was sad about the truth in your insight.  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 06:00 PM   #126 
           - Thanks. What's really sad is I was being completely serious. n/t  Nuclear Unicorn   Oct-14-11 06:28 PM   #150 
              - I know.  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 09:36 PM   #177 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-11 07:44 PM   #165 
        - I'll take your word for it, thanks. I have to imagine most of that stuff is illegal.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 02:29 AM   #184 
           - Well, you asked for examples,  thucythucy   Oct-15-11 05:14 AM   #206 
              - Okay. Give a definition of non-degrading porn: Two people having sex.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:46 AM   #208 
        - ...  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 04:05 AM   #203 
        - Never mind. I found it.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:08 PM   #89 
        - How about the whole  thucythucy   Oct-14-11 07:18 PM   #160 
           - I hadn't really thought about it. What about "Bend Over Boyfriend" porn? Is that degrading to men?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 02:35 AM   #185 
              - Your simple criterion  thucythucy   Oct-15-11 05:54 AM   #210 
                 - Birth of a Nation was an extremely important film for lots of reasons.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 06:01 AM   #211 
                    - I picked BOAN  thucythucy   Oct-15-11 10:33 AM   #221 
                       - Bookmarked for future reference.  proverbialwisdom   Oct-15-11 01:12 PM   #237 
                       - "Bend Over Boyfriend" series involves women anally penetrating men with, ah, strap-on items.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:32 PM   #254 
                       - I thought I did answer your question  thucythucy   Oct-18-11 10:03 AM   #312 
                          - I just wanted to add  thucythucy   Oct-18-11 10:13 AM   #313 
                          - I think there's a difference between, say, 'critiquing' individual books and books-in-general  Warren DeMontague   Oct-18-11 12:47 PM   #322 
                             - As I said earlier on  thucythucy   Oct-18-11 05:16 PM   #327 
                                - I fully support the right of people to like or not like whatever they do, or don't.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-18-11 05:27 PM   #329 
                                   - Of course Birth of a Nation was only one film.  thucythucy   Oct-18-11 07:59 PM   #330 
                                      - it is not 95%  seabeyond   Oct-18-11 09:45 PM   #333 
                                         - Thank you for this  thucythucy   Oct-18-11 10:02 PM   #334 
                                         - "....no no no not MY man!!!" ...uh, bad news: yeah, him too.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 04:05 PM   #347 
                                         - Warren, I see you still haven't answered  thucythucy   Oct-19-11 04:26 PM   #358 
                                         - This thread is approaching DU "epic" size. I don't know if you remember the "moon bombing" fracas  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 04:49 PM   #368 
                                         - a BYU study had 87% of men looking at porn in the prior year.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 05:39 PM   #377 
                                         - a poll from a magazine with an agenda for an article?... wow. shocker. nt  seabeyond   Oct-19-11 06:55 PM   #379 
                                         - actually, the non-scientific conclusions in that article, I think are sort of dubious  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 07:07 PM   #380 
                                         - the studies are in the post and i saw nowhere  seabeyond   Oct-19-11 07:19 PM   #381 
                                         - yes, if he says he isnt, he is lying. because of posters like you, men pm me to let me know, no  seabeyond   Oct-19-11 04:46 PM   #366 
                                         - Yes, we mercilessly pick on people who don't look at smut.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 05:35 PM   #375 
                                         - How about you give us a link telling us where you got that information from?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-19-11 02:45 PM   #338 
                       - It's indisputable that Birth of a Nation produced an actual Klan resurgence  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-18-11 12:57 AM   #310 
        - You have the right tack, NU  annabanana   Oct-14-11 06:22 PM   #144 
     - If we had a choice between a restrictive theocracy  The Doctor.   Oct-14-11 06:31 PM   #152 
  - Some of us are into BDSM and don't find that sort of porn objectionable.  Matariki   Oct-14-11 03:42 PM   #7 
  - For The Thread Win.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:58 PM   #23 
  - If public imagery with men tied up were in reality as common as that same  eridani   Oct-14-11 04:05 PM   #32 
  - There is plenty of porn out there with men being tied up.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:09 PM   #36 
  - Women too  Matariki   Oct-14-11 04:20 PM   #45 
  - Human sexuality is a beautiful, many splendor'd rainbow.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:13 PM   #94 
  - Yes, but does it appear with equal frequency in mass media advertising?  eridani   Oct-14-11 04:43 PM   #75 
     - Are there an abundance of bondage pictures in mass media advertising? n/t  Unvanguard   Oct-14-11 04:57 PM   #82 
        - don't know what you mean by abundance, but there are some.  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 05:28 PM   #108 
        - Check the Ms magazine "No Comment" section n/t  eridani   Oct-14-11 09:06 PM   #172 
  - You just aren't looking in the right places  Matariki   Oct-14-11 04:19 PM   #44 
     - Porn that people with specialized tastes that you have to look for isn't the problem  eridani   Oct-14-11 09:05 PM   #171 
        - I agree with that.  Matariki   Oct-14-11 10:21 PM   #180 
        - Indeed. Kiddy pageants are far more in the face of the general public  eridani   Oct-15-11 01:02 AM   #181 
        - There's a relationship between images and child beauty pageants.  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 04:00 AM   #202 
        - The only magazines I read are Scientific American and Discover.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 03:00 AM   #191 
  - Your assessment is inaccurate, and you didn't answer my original question  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:20 PM   #46 
  - Your premise is nonsense and yes I dismiss it.  Matariki   Oct-14-11 04:23 PM   #53 
  - THANK YOU!  Codeine   Oct-20-11 07:11 PM   #385 
  - if everyone involved is a CONSENTING ADULT, you don't have to like it, but it's not your place to  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:44 PM   #8 
  - So what do you think about the Miss Reprensentation trailer?  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 03:48 PM   #11 
  - Haven't seen it.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:51 PM   #15 
     - So, you're not going to discuss what I started this thread to discuss then.  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:02 PM   #29 
        - Okay, I watched it. Now how about YOU define your terms.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:11 PM   #38 
           - Nice tactic Warren, but the question is/was...  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:25 PM   #55 
              - I don't think you can have the discussion without defining your basic terms.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:31 PM   #63 
  - Yeah, everybody get in your place.  undeterred   Oct-14-11 03:48 PM   #13 
  - So adult women aren't capable of consent? They need to be protected, of course.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:52 PM   #16 
     - It isn't a question of what consenting adults  thucythucy   Oct-14-11 07:53 PM   #166 
     - So adult women aren't capable of consent? do we not challenge women who choose to live patriachal  seabeyond   Oct-17-11 06:28 AM   #287 
        - and I'm not demanding that cultural hand-wringing & complaints re:smut be censored/banned, either  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 03:57 PM   #290 
  - Some people would like to take that choice away from women.  itsallhappening   Oct-14-11 03:50 PM   #14 
  - Yep. Need a giant fucking asterisk after "Pro-Choice"*  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:53 PM   #19 
  - are you going to watch the trailer? It doesn't seem like you want to discuss on this discussion  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 03:59 PM   #26 
  - Looked like spam bait to me.  itsallhappening   Oct-14-11 04:02 PM   #30 
  - I watched the trailer. You get to see Condi Rice weigh in on 'doing the right thing'.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:08 PM   #35 
  - Okay, I watched the trailer.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:07 PM   #34 
     - So, where are these empowering images of women??? How do we get more empowering images of women?  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:31 PM   #64 
        - Write a television pilot. If you're really rich, buy a network.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:34 PM   #68 
           - Most young girls aren't writers, nor, have they been alive long enough to have the capital to buy  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 05:49 PM   #120 
              - "the capital to buy their own video recorder?" You DO realize that it's 2011, don't you?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 03:19 AM   #197 
  - It's amazing that some people have that view. THAT's the real sexist view.  itsallhappening   Oct-14-11 04:01 PM   #27 
  - you're confused. the op isn't about what people do in private, or what pornography they consume,  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 10:08 PM   #179 
  - Lots of consenting adults hate porn, and they are making their views heard.  Darth_Kitten   Oct-14-11 04:22 PM   #51 
     - Why do you think a picture of people fucking somehow turns the people into "things"?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:04 PM   #87 
     - You must REALLY hate the internet.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 06:42 PM   #263 
  - This thread is useless without pictures.  Common Sense Party   Oct-14-11 03:52 PM   #17 
  - I agree  snooper2   Oct-14-11 04:44 PM   #77 
  - I think that post was blogspam  slackmaster   Oct-14-11 03:57 PM   #22 
  - Too late.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 03:58 PM   #24 
  - Thanks, SHCrane71 for your thoughtful topic  Mimosa   Oct-14-11 03:59 PM   #25 
  - Have you read Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood?  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:40 PM   #73 
  - I'm very upset at how badly porn degrades men.  The Doctor.   Oct-14-11 07:13 PM   #159 
  - Wow where to begin... Unfortunately, when many women are among the ones promoting...  hlthe2b   Oct-14-11 04:03 PM   #31 
  - Who or What Will Decide Which Image(s) is/are Degrading to Women?  Yavin4   Oct-14-11 04:12 PM   #39 
  - The difference is that pornography is a highly specific sort of medium.  Unvanguard   Oct-14-11 04:21 PM   #49 
  - Channeling Andrea Dworkin?  Upton   Oct-14-11 04:22 PM   #50 
  - No self-respecting progressives treat women as objects to be demeaned either.  Darth_Kitten   Oct-14-11 04:23 PM   #52 
  - So, you believe all porn is demeaning to women?  Upton   Oct-14-11 04:26 PM   #59 
     - Do you like to project onto others?  Darth_Kitten   Oct-14-11 06:28 PM   #149 
        - It's a free country, speak all you want  Major Nikon   Oct-15-11 11:13 AM   #226 
  - Her crusade was hilarious.  itsallhappening   Oct-14-11 04:26 PM   #57 
  - Didn't say a thing about censorship; so, don't blame me that your porn isn't aired during prime time  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:28 PM   #60 
  - Glad to hear you don't believe in censorship..  Upton   Oct-14-11 04:32 PM   #65 
  - So, are you working diligently to allow porn on broadcast networks?  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 04:47 PM   #78 
  - it's shown to young people though. witness these ads, supposedly to "get out the youth vote"  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 05:58 PM   #125 
     - grosssss  marions ghost   Oct-14-11 06:55 PM   #156 
  - Though I am not really on board with Andrea Dworkin on this issue  Unvanguard   Oct-14-11 04:30 PM   #61 
     - Andrea Dworkin was a sad, mentally ill individual who could have benefitted from anti-psychotic meds  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:32 PM   #66 
        - It's always nice when someone makes my point for me. n/t  Unvanguard   Oct-14-11 04:34 PM   #69 
        - By the time she died, she was sure she was being chased by invisible penises.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 04:36 PM   #71 
        - dworkin was ugly, so she was derided most harshly. you don't hear that  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:03 PM   #129 
        - Was she? I've never seen a picture of her.  AngkorWot   Oct-14-11 06:22 PM   #143 
        - Naomi Wolff has written that penetrative intercourse is oppressive and needs to be abolished?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 03:01 AM   #192 
        - You made your point when you put "free speech" in quotes like it was icky dog doo  Warren DeMontague   Oct-16-11 12:33 AM   #273 
           - That was a different point.  Unvanguard   Oct-16-11 09:10 AM   #276 
              - "It's past time..."? No, it isn't. Free Speech works just fine, and doesn't need to he "repaired".  Warren DeMontague   Oct-16-11 03:30 PM   #277 
                 - I'm pleased to see that you can recite the relevant parts of the catechism.  Unvanguard   Oct-16-11 10:09 PM   #283 
                    - Speaking of catechism, you're right in there with the "free speech needs to have a purpose". Ah, no.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 12:44 AM   #284 
                       - Please don't put words in my mouth.  Unvanguard   Oct-17-11 01:40 AM   #285 
                          - Well, I'm something of a 1st Amendment Absolutist.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 11:14 AM   #288 
        - nevermind, waste of bandwidth, sorry Skinner n/t  Scout   Oct-14-11 07:06 PM   #158 
  - Times have been very degrading for women. Only recently has there been any empowerment  Fire Walk With Me   Oct-14-11 04:25 PM   #56 
  - You mean like this?  snooper2   Oct-14-11 04:41 PM   #74 
  - THAT is offensive.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:03 PM   #86 
  - Sure, pornographic images of hog-tied women can be harmful. So what about the same images  The Doctor.   Oct-14-11 05:09 PM   #90 
  - Link to images of nekkid hog-tied men?  leftstreet   Oct-14-11 05:11 PM   #92 
  - They're out there.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:12 PM   #93 
     - I guess you'd defend about anything.  Mimosa   Oct-14-11 05:15 PM   #95 
     - Inevitable. Can't make an argument about CONSENTING ADULTS w/o bringing in non-consent/non-adults?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:17 PM   #99 
        - I missed them. Thanks. n/t  Mimosa   Oct-14-11 05:18 PM   #102 
           - So no, in answer, I wouldn't defend anything, but I do think consenting adults  Warren DeMontague   Oct-14-11 05:19 PM   #104 
     - Listening to others is a beautiful, many splendor'd rainbow.  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 05:21 PM   #105 
     - (content warning) i've not seen them used in advertising. i've seen this kind of stuff though:  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 05:31 PM   #112 
        - Imagery in above posts is degrading to women.  Mimosa   Oct-14-11 05:47 PM   #119 
        - of course it is. highly degrading. and children's sexuality *is* influenced  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 05:49 PM   #121 
           - I don't put it all on men.  Mimosa   Oct-14-11 06:25 PM   #147 
        - My suggestion? Get a subscription to Scientific American.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 03:07 AM   #195 
           - Or bass fishing magazines. You'll not see degrading photos  MineralMan   Oct-15-11 08:34 AM   #212 
           - Sicko!  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:39 PM   #256 
           - You can see it on billboards, in music magazines like rolling stone.  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 03:53 PM   #246 
              - They still have music videos?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:27 PM   #251 
  - Seems that empowering women and supporting their achievements will help break these  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 05:17 PM   #100 
     - Men also have trouble achieving parity in pay with other men.  The Doctor.   Oct-14-11 05:45 PM   #118 
  - Most women on DU are against degrading women  lunatica   Oct-14-11 05:10 PM   #91 
  - The OP provided the fuel...  catabryna   Oct-14-11 05:23 PM   #106 
  - What do you propose we do? Censor offending images?  Taverner   Oct-14-11 05:24 PM   #107 
  - What's wrong with saying, "Dude, that's not cool. Rape isn't entertainment."  Nuclear Unicorn   Oct-14-11 05:29 PM   #111 
  - That would be cool. :)  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 05:39 PM   #114 
  - It's not the same thing  Major Nikon   Oct-15-11 09:36 AM   #214 
  - It isn't about censorhship, and if you don't think there's already censorship you're kidding urself  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 05:38 PM   #113 
     - Oh I agree with you. Except the male porn star thing.  Taverner   Oct-14-11 05:51 PM   #122 
        - I see... but no one is talking about legislating. But that *is* an idea...  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 05:55 PM   #124 
           - Carrots work better than sticks  Taverner   Oct-14-11 06:00 PM   #127 
           - I am all for a greater diversity of voices in the media, etc.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 03:11 AM   #196 
  - Mods, pls get rid of rabbit pic which wrecked the thread. n/t  Mimosa   Oct-14-11 05:42 PM   #117 
  - That's not a rabbit, lol.  LWolf   Oct-14-11 05:53 PM   #123 
     - Rabbits are no longer classified as rodents, they are Lagomorphs. N/T  Marengo   Oct-15-11 09:11 AM   #213 
        - A classification I've never heard of.  LWolf   Oct-15-11 10:29 AM   #220 
  - My favorite part of these "Pornography is bad" or "Pornography is bad for women" threads is...  stevenleser   Oct-14-11 06:02 PM   #128 
  - there is a difference between an act and an image. we aren't talking about people  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:05 PM   #130 
  - "sexualized torture." Oh for fuck's sake, are you talking about S&M?  AngkorWot   Oct-14-11 06:09 PM   #132 
     - as i said, i'm talking about advertising images. not porn. not people's private lives.  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:11 PM   # 
     - Then turn the page and look at something else?  AngkorWot   Oct-14-11 06:12 PM   #135 
        - i see. so if people don't like images of sexualized torture displayed in public, they  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:15 PM   #137 
        - "they should just turn away?"  AngkorWot   Oct-14-11 06:17 PM   #139 
        - actually, they can't, angkor.  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:19 PM   #140 
        - Shit, my kid can. Can't yours?  AngkorWot   Oct-14-11 06:20 PM   #141 
           - i'm sure your kid is very special. i'm also sure you don't know all there is to know  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:24 PM   #146 
              - Seems like a pretty normal kid to me.  AngkorWot   Oct-14-11 06:25 PM   #148 
        - k, you're kid can turn away from disturbing images, but when all his friends keep describing the  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 12:35 PM   #233 
        - you got it, Ed. n/t  Scout   Oct-14-11 06:54 PM   #155 
        - +1  proverbialwisdom   Oct-15-11 02:23 PM   #239 
        - Is that like "If you don't like smoking in a bar, don't go there?"  The Straight Story   Oct-16-11 08:01 PM   #282 
           - Maybe if images of S&M caused cancer.  AngkorWot   Oct-17-11 06:07 PM   #304 
     - It's still a media image.  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 06:15 PM   #136 
        - and?  AngkorWot   Oct-14-11 06:16 PM   #138 
        - and media images are very powerful, so not sure what your point is.  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:21 PM   #142 
        - EXACTLY!  BrendaBrick   Oct-17-11 06:25 PM   #305 
  - I haven't heard anyone here say that sex is a bad thing. That's not what the discussion is about.  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 06:11 PM   #134 
     - of course it's not. but painting anyone who doesn't want sex in their face  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 06:30 PM   #151 
  - How does bringing up the imagery of hog tied women help?  dkf   Oct-14-11 06:09 PM   #133 
  - Is it too late to break out the popcorn?  Cats Against Frist   Oct-14-11 06:22 PM   #145 
  - Yep, they'll just find different ways to screw it up.  The Doctor.   Oct-14-11 06:37 PM   #154 
  - Self empowerment and liberty means being able to do what you want.  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-14-11 06:56 PM   #157 
  - i just love how your request for a discussion of degrading images of women....  Scout   Oct-14-11 07:19 PM   #161 
  - I hear ya. It's like banging your head (oh tee hee) against ideological talking points  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 07:24 PM   #162 
  - ideological talking points, you say?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-17-11 03:55 PM   #289 
  - +1  musette_sf   Oct-14-11 07:39 PM   #163 
  - As I hinted at earlier, when this is viewed through an LGBT*.* perspective, it becomes much clearer  stevenleser   Oct-14-11 07:43 PM   #164 
  - sooo... some boys like to see boys tied up, and some girls like to see some girls tied up...  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 08:15 PM   #168 
     - That by itself? No, it doesn't.  stevenleser   Oct-14-11 08:31 PM   #169 
        - Advertising isn't "the porn industry". It's advertising, used to sell commodities.  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 08:37 PM   #170 
        - When you attempt to use wordplay and strawman arguments, its hard to come to a consensus nt  stevenleser   Oct-14-11 09:21 PM   #175 
           - perhaps you'll be so good as to point out the wordplay & strawmen.  EdMaven   Oct-14-11 09:44 PM   #178 
        - Uncertain how objections to porn images means someone has an unhealthy view of sex?  shcrane71   Oct-14-11 09:34 PM   #176 
           - I think a crash course in Korzybyski's General Semantics might help.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 02:51 AM   #187 
              - What's the Korzybyski semantics of "that was utterly meaningless and incomprehensible drivel"? n/t  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 12:42 PM   #234 
                 - Obviously, you're not a fan of Korzybyski.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:43 PM   #258 
  - Thank you.  Sparkly   Oct-14-11 09:18 PM   #174 
  - +1000000000000000000  Darth_Kitten   Oct-15-11 10:28 AM   #219 
  - the yell for freedom of speech as they demand, insist, insult for others to STFU. i hear ya. nt  seabeyond   Oct-17-11 06:14 AM   #286 
  - I'd counter-argue...  Chan790   Oct-15-11 02:25 AM   #182 
  - The OP isn't about what goes on in private bedrooms.  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 02:41 AM   #186 
     - No, it's about photography of sexual acts...specifically of bondage.  Chan790   Oct-15-11 03:01 AM   #193 
        - It's not about "photography". It's about the use of such images in public media.  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 03:05 AM   #194 
           - All media is public by-definition.  Chan790   Oct-15-11 03:46 AM   #200 
              - 1) All media is not public "by definition". 2) Bondage images *are* being  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 04:17 AM   #204 
                 - Sustained applause and standing ovation! Thank you for your powerful posts on this topic.  proverbialwisdom   Oct-15-11 02:46 PM   #242 
                 - ...is there an echo in here?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-16-11 07:53 PM   #281 
                 - Mind if I say... wow?  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:40 PM   #364 
  - Boy, was I wrong.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 03:31 AM   #198 
  - Three PETA months? Can't we switch one of those for a pit bull month,  petronius   Oct-15-11 12:20 PM   #232 
  - PETA is like the jackpot of flamebait topics.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:28 PM   #252 
  - Absolute thread-win....  truebrit71   Oct-18-11 02:00 PM   #326 
  - It is similar to the way black people were depicted in movies and TV  Liquorice   Oct-15-11 03:48 AM   #201 
  - Similar in some ways, perhaps, but still considerably different  Major Nikon   Oct-15-11 09:51 AM   #215 
  - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  proverbialwisdom   Oct-15-11 02:49 PM   #243 
  - That is precisely the way I see it as well. (nt)  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:14 PM   #350 
  - i don't think it will be many generations. i think this new experiment on our youth with inundation  seabeyond   Oct-19-11 04:53 PM   #370 
  - +1, though I don't know if our species will survive long enough  Lorien   Oct-20-11 07:02 PM   #383 
  - It's my opinion that...  Unrepentant Fenian   Oct-15-11 05:13 AM   #205 
  - another one who didn't bother to read the op.  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 05:22 AM   #207 
     - If people don't want to read the op  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:53 AM   #209 
     - What's an OP?  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 10:45 AM   #222 
     - Original Poster or Original Post  Major Nikon   Oct-15-11 10:48 AM   #224 
        - Thanks. What is n/t? Sorry about all these dumb questions.  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 12:04 PM   #229 
           - No text  Major Nikon   Oct-15-11 12:14 PM   #230 
     - The documentary *is* thought-provoking, and I do plug it to all my friends, BUT the OP is more about  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 12:18 PM   #231 
        - Do subscription sites selling illegal content advertise as such? Of course not.  proverbialwisdom   Oct-15-11 05:29 PM   #253 
        - Okay, thanks for the definition.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 05:38 PM   #255 
     - How do you figure that?  Major Nikon   Oct-15-11 10:47 AM   #223 
  - It is utterly absurd to wonder if any one on the Left is opposed to  snagglepuss   Oct-15-11 10:20 AM   #216 
  - +1000000000000000000  Darth_Kitten   Oct-15-11 10:26 AM   #218 
  - Not that long ago, it was socially acceptable for men to smack women to keep them in line.  Gormy Cuss   Oct-15-11 11:17 AM   #227 
  - It's pretty hard to imagine a hog-tying image outside the context of porn  Major Nikon   Oct-15-11 01:06 PM   #236 
     - Hog-tying is only one example, but I saw that on TV this past week.  Gormy Cuss   Oct-15-11 04:05 PM   #247 
  - the "contingent of progressives who see nothing wrong w/ degrading images of women" are more vocal  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 12:03 PM   #228 
  - It is utterly absurd to wonder if any one on the Left is opposed to  snagglepuss   Oct-15-11 10:22 AM   #217 
  - *LMAO*  Hydra   Oct-15-11 01:38 PM   #238 
  - Assumptions hinders one's listening abilities.  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 02:29 PM   #240 
     - Umm...what?  Hydra   Oct-15-11 02:44 PM   #241 
        - Huh???  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 04:48 PM   #248 
  - Sometimes I feel that the degradation of women will be the last fight in civil rights.  TNLib   Oct-15-11 03:35 PM   #245 
  - Agreed.  shcrane71   Oct-15-11 04:50 PM   #249 
  - Did you know that rape is one of the most common female sexual fantasies?  woo me with science   Oct-15-11 05:52 PM   #259 
  - and to you, this factoid = images of rape should be displayed in public?  EdMaven   Oct-15-11 06:33 PM   #261 
     - Do you have anything beyond that one Dolce & Gabbana ad from 6 years ago?  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 06:56 PM   #264 
     - Kidding, right? Never seen ads implying sexual violence and its aftermath?  proverbialwisdom   Oct-16-11 05:21 PM   #278 
        - I buy most of my clothes from Costco. I wouldn't know who Dolce & Gabbana IS if it wasn't for the  Warren DeMontague   Oct-16-11 07:51 PM   #280 
     - In discussion forums, it is rarely a good idea  woo me with science   Oct-15-11 07:00 PM   #265 
        - That putting words in peoples' mouths thing is awfully kinky.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-15-11 08:43 PM   #268 
        - ...  woo me with science   Oct-15-11 09:59 PM   #269 
        - phrased in the form of a question, art. "not sure what your point is," etc.  EdMaven   Oct-16-11 12:21 AM   #270 
  - Way to *not* get that documentary and turn it into your pet issue.  Matariki   Oct-16-11 04:04 AM   #275 
  - Canadian Documentary: "Oral Sex Is The New Goodnight Kiss"  BrendaBrick   Oct-17-11 05:56 PM   #303 
  - Are we really supposed to believe a vice cop on the prevalence of casual prostitution among girls?  JVS   Oct-18-11 12:41 AM   #309 
     - Unfortunately, alliances between authoritarian members of the 'left' and far right wingers  Warren DeMontague   Oct-18-11 11:02 AM   #317 
     - Like most things  BrendaBrick   Oct-18-11 11:27 AM   #318 
  - Thanks for this post  thucythucy   Oct-18-11 10:17 AM   #314 
  - i would say  seabeyond   Oct-18-11 10:33 AM   #315 
     - You're welcome.  thucythucy   Oct-18-11 05:24 PM   #328 
  - I'd have to see the pics. It depends on what you call "degrading images of women." nt  Honeycombe8   Oct-18-11 01:34 PM   #324 
  - Who or What Is Going to Define What Image(s) Is/Are Degrading to Women?  Yavin4   Oct-18-11 08:22 PM   #331 
  - Who or what is going to define what is  thucythucy   Oct-18-11 09:26 PM   #332 
     - The Answer Is No One Does  Yavin4   Oct-19-11 11:06 AM   #335 
     - Yes, I can answer your question.  thucythucy   Oct-19-11 02:21 PM   #337 
        - i don't know why it is so difficult for some. i was teaching kids at 3 about false advertisement  seabeyond   Oct-19-11 02:48 PM   #339 
        - Weird though, isn't it  thucythucy   Oct-19-11 02:57 PM   #342 
           - All I Ask Is Who or What Defines Demeaning?  Yavin4   Oct-19-11 04:25 PM   #356 
        - Brilliant post.  redqueen   Oct-19-11 02:56 PM   #341 
        - "We all define for ourselves what we find demeaning. "  Yavin4   Oct-19-11 04:20 PM   #351 
           - Instead of debating "demeaning", how about focusing on demonstratably harmful?  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:31 PM   #360 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-19-11 04:54 PM   #371 
     - Case in point  Yavin4   Oct-19-11 11:11 AM   #336 
        - Yup, that looks pretty racist to me.  thucythucy   Oct-19-11 02:52 PM   #340 
           - Here's What I Am Saying  Yavin4   Oct-19-11 04:22 PM   #352 
              - Completely naked, no. Sexualized?  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:25 PM   #357 
              - Ashcroft Ordered That Nude Statues Be Covered Up  Yavin4   Oct-19-11 06:55 PM   #378 
              - Well obviously we all have to live  thucythucy   Oct-19-11 05:12 PM   #372 
  - Vulgarity sells effectively and efficient.  LanternWaste   Oct-19-11 03:07 PM   #343 
  - A Good Number of People Would Define "Mad Men" As Vulgar  Yavin4   Oct-19-11 04:23 PM   #354 
  - Objecitfying images are the issue, as I see it.  redqueen   Oct-19-11 03:12 PM   #345 
  - American Psychological Association: "Sexualization of Girls Linked to...  BrendaBrick   Oct-19-11 03:51 PM   #346 
     - Thank you ... I don't know why we need a study to tell us this.  redqueen   Oct-19-11 04:13 PM   #349 
     - You're welcome redqueen  BrendaBrick   Oct-19-11 04:31 PM   #361 
     - This Study Seems Very Flawed  Yavin4   Oct-19-11 04:38 PM   #363 
     - Gee, I dunno...  BrendaBrick   Oct-19-11 04:49 PM   #367 
        - So basically, you have a standard gaggle of culture war anti-sex crusaders from both left & right  Warren DeMontague   Oct-20-11 06:54 PM   #382 
     - Thank you for this.  thucythucy   Oct-19-11 05:16 PM   #373 
        - You're welcome & best wishes to you too thucythucy  BrendaBrick   Oct-19-11 05:21 PM   #374 
  - Leaving Men Behind: Women Go to College in Ever-Greater Numbers  Exultant Democracy   Oct-20-11 07:06 PM   #384 
 

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