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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 02:41 PM
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50. You got that wrong
Edited on Tue Oct-11-11 02:43 PM by Confusious
Conservative would be learning little about anything.

Seeing how most things are today, learning a little about everything doesn't lead to a career.

It just leads to shitty jobs for the rest of your life.

All the low hanging fruit has been picked over multiple times. You have to be an expert to get anywhere.
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  -The End of the Liberal Arts at Public Universities marmar  Oct-11-11 01:35 PM   #0 
  - Heaven forbid someone should learn something just for the sake of knowledge.  CurtEastPoint   Oct-11-11 01:36 PM   #1 
  - Working class kids CAN'T AFFORD to "learn something just for the sake of knowledge"  Romulox   Oct-11-11 01:39 PM   #2 
     - There's a problem with saying universities aren't trade schools? They're not.  EdMaven   Oct-11-11 01:41 PM   #4 
     - It's not even a true statement. The University I attended had half a dozen "trade schools"  Romulox   Oct-11-11 01:46 PM   #7 
        - And students in all those "trade schools" took liberal arts classes  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 02:06 PM   #18 
        - Many of those "trade schools" ARE liberal arts disciplines.  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:12 PM   #26 
           - Law school is not a liberal arts discipline. n/t  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 03:16 PM   #63 
              - OK. It's not terribly material to any relevant point, at this point.  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:51 PM   #75 
        - None of those are trades. They're professions.  EdMaven   Oct-11-11 02:29 PM   #42 
           - That's a semantics argument. The prof. and I both mean "vocations" by "trade"  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:39 PM   #45 
              - Yes, semantic argument, because a "Trade School" is a school that trains people for the trades & a  EdMaven   Oct-11-11 02:48 PM   #55 
              - Nonsense. "Trade" has a broader meaning than the one you insist on.  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:13 PM   #60 
                 - "trade" has many meanings. But not in the context of Trade Schools.  EdMaven   Oct-11-11 03:29 PM   #69 
                    - This is perhaps the silliest argument I've heard here. Just ridiculous. nt  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:48 PM   #72 
                       - That's what people say when they're wrong. :) Check the dictionary.  EdMaven   Oct-11-11 03:50 PM   #74 
                          - "Trade: a : the business or work in which one engages regularly : occupation"  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:52 PM   #76 
                             - Trade School: a secondary school teaching the skilled trades.  EdMaven   Oct-11-11 04:03 PM   #81 
              - That's because everyone is disagreeing with your premise that $250 K  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 03:17 PM   #64 
                 - LOL. It's like debate/telephone. Now I'm arguing that it is a "common" salary?  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:49 PM   #73 
     - 250k, really? in what universe?  JCMach1   Oct-11-11 01:59 PM   #14 
     - I know; what a joke.  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 02:07 PM   #19 
     - Ahem (linky!)  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:09 PM   #21 
        - Ahem! Your link doesn't support your point.  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 02:18 PM   #30 
        - There are several professors in that list that make in excess of that amount  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:23 PM   #37 
           - The only professors making that much are in the med school,  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 03:15 PM   #62 
        - Your own evidence shows you to be deft at hyperbole  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-11-11 02:32 PM   #43 
           - Nonsense. You're dissecting a point I didn't make.  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:36 PM   #44 
           - No, you invented a persona that doesn't exist in reality  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-11-11 02:41 PM   #48 
           - Again nonsense. I won't defend arguments that you have constructed. nt  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:46 PM   #52 
           - Yes, promoting. You said that working class students  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 03:23 PM   #67 
              - Studying for a specific job (i.e. to be an engineer) is NOT what is meant by "education for the sake  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:47 PM   #71 
           - Good analysis. Thanks! n/t  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 03:19 PM   #65 
     - Large land-grant in my home state. The "good one". nt  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:08 PM   #20 
        - This recent hiring year in the Chronicle, the State of Florida was hiring profs  JCMach1   Oct-11-11 03:06 PM   #57 
     - My mom got a degree in English and she's been on welfare her whole life  XemaSab   Oct-11-11 02:04 PM   #16 
     - Things aren't the same today as they were in your mother's day.  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:10 PM   #24 
        - It's tough everywhere, even in technical fields.  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 02:22 PM   #35 
        - It's true, but there is still a need for liberal arts students  XemaSab   Oct-11-11 04:29 PM   #82 
     - Yes they can. Engineering students can and do take liberal arts  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 02:05 PM   #17 
     - That's a silly response. So engineers can afford a Liberal Arts education (just 1 elective, tho!)  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:10 PM   #25 
        - The required courses usually include many courses  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 02:20 PM   #32 
           - OK. But filling out a distribution on the way to an Engineering degree isn't  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:26 PM   #39 
              - Yes, it is. The point of fulfilling the distribution requirement  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 03:13 PM   #59 
                 - But engineering is one of the dreaded "T" words. So no. It's about getting a job as an engineer.nt  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:14 PM   #61 
                    - The required humanities courses are about getting a broad education  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 03:38 PM   # 
                       - The engineering students are there to earn engineering degrees.  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:55 PM   #77 
     - ROFL  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-11-11 02:09 PM   #22 
     - OK. At the risk of perpetuating your disdain. Epic Fail based on faulty evidence  Malikshah   Oct-11-11 02:19 PM   #31 
     - My point wasn't really about salaries. It was about the insensitivity of demanding the poor take on  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:28 PM   #41 
        - If you re-read your post-- you start off with the issue of salary--  Malikshah   Oct-11-11 02:40 PM   #47 
           - Stop taking a salary for teaching and you can tell people about the fallacy of focusing on money  Romulox   Oct-11-11 02:45 PM   #51 
              - And I'm living it long after I finished a terminal degree to be able to do research and  Malikshah   Oct-11-11 04:44 PM   #84 
     - Despite being an academic myself for 39 years, and having been married to  tblue37   Oct-11-11 08:31 PM   #92 
  - I don;t see how LA/BA degrees engender more "self-thinking" than tech/BS degrees.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Oct-11-11 01:40 PM   #3 
  - I agree, but I think the distinction w/ li arts is the subject matter -- language,  EdMaven   Oct-11-11 01:44 PM   #6 
  - But they give access to thoughts the oppressors don't want us to hold  HereSince1628   Oct-11-11 01:58 PM   #13 
  - Liberal Arts is a curricula based on learning a little bit about a lot of things.  Old and In the Way   Oct-11-11 01:43 PM   #5 
  - You got that wrong  Confusious   Oct-11-11 02:41 PM   #50 
  - Fuck him and all the rest of the anti-education wads.  Wait Wut   Oct-11-11 01:48 PM   #8 
  - I think they just want future generations to be as stupid and narrow-minded as they are...  truebrit71   Oct-11-11 01:51 PM   #9 
  - I don't think "we'll" be invited to their cocktail parties.  Wait Wut   Oct-11-11 02:23 PM   #36 
  - Are you saying that folks with engineering degrees are not educated?  AngryAmish   Oct-11-11 01:55 PM   #11 
  - "Are you saying that folks with engineering degrees are not educated?"  marmar   Oct-11-11 01:57 PM   #12 
  - It's a reflection of generations of frat boy engineering students ...  MedicalAdmin   Oct-11-11 02:03 PM   #15 
  - I think the arrogance is just as great in people who think  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 02:09 PM   #23 
  - I agree.  Wait Wut   Oct-11-11 02:20 PM   #33 
     - I'm with you about farms.  pnwmom   Oct-11-11 02:25 PM   #38 
  - WTF?  Wait Wut   Oct-11-11 02:13 PM   #28 
  - Charging to use the PUBLIC library???????  BrendaBrick   Oct-11-11 02:21 PM   #34 
     - They had a "reason"...  Wait Wut   Oct-11-11 02:28 PM   #40 
        - Unbelievable!  BrendaBrick   Oct-11-11 02:40 PM   #46 
  - Damn! I got a degree in Anthropology. Was the first person  morningglory   Oct-11-11 01:52 PM   #10 
  - That's ridiculous.  ceile   Oct-11-11 02:12 PM   #27 
  - Interesting. I have a degree in English, with another year of  MineralMan   Oct-11-11 02:15 PM   #29 
  - Times have changed  Confusious   Oct-11-11 02:47 PM   #53 
  - What job? I've worked for myself since 1974.  MineralMan   Oct-11-11 03:12 PM   #58 
     - Bootstrap maker, no doubt. nt  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:57 PM   #78 
        - Nope. I never did any leather work. I had a friend who did, though.  MineralMan   Oct-11-11 06:39 PM   #90 
  - Crap. dupe  Confusious   Oct-11-11 02:47 PM   #54 
  - Teabaggers rejoyce!  Dawson Leery   Oct-11-11 02:41 PM   #49 
  - What scares me about getting rid of the liberal arts is that we already  jwirr   Oct-11-11 03:01 PM   #56 
  - Our local university has a 45 hour Liberal Arts Core  exboyfil   Oct-11-11 03:38 PM   #70 
     - Well speaking to a lady who has a learning disability in math I am  jwirr   Oct-11-11 04:01 PM   #80 
        - I put out that comment to generate this feedback  exboyfil   Oct-11-11 04:53 PM   #86 
  - Two words: ASS HOLE  justiceischeap   Oct-11-11 03:19 PM   #66 
  - I guess East Asian Studies is useless then, too.  geardaddy   Oct-11-11 03:26 PM   #68 
  - Yes. Take out large loans for humanities degrees! What could go wrong?  Romulox   Oct-11-11 03:58 PM   #79 
  - No offense  Harmony Blue   Oct-11-11 04:45 PM   #85 
  - We are currently hiring Mechanical and Agricultural Engineering  exboyfil   Oct-11-11 04:56 PM   #88 
  - Why shouldn't somebody pursue the field, the profession that they love?  MadHound   Oct-11-11 06:50 PM   #91 
  - At the University of South Florida  Harmony Blue   Oct-11-11 04:39 PM   #83 
  - You're focusing on the WRONG PROBLEM  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-11-11 04:55 PM   #87 
  - I went to college to get a job  belcffub   Oct-11-11 05:00 PM   #89 
  - You can find a job with a liberal arts degree  Harmony Blue   Oct-11-11 08:36 PM   #93 
  - K&R'd  snot   Oct-12-11 10:33 AM   #94 
  - Science/Engineering/Business/Law teach people how to earn a living.  bvar22   Oct-12-11 12:26 PM   #95 

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