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Obama's War On Terror: Civil Libertarians Decry Being 'Stabbed In The Back' By Awlaki Decision
Joshua Hersch - HuffPo
First Posted: 10/10/11 06:49 PM ET Updated: 10/10/11 09:48 PM ET


WASHINGTON -- Civil libertarians are expressing dismay over a new report that names two prominent one-time critics of the abuse of presidential power as the forces behind a controversial memo authorizing Obama to assassinate an American citizen. The memo, described Sunday in an article in The New York Times, was reportedly signed by David Barron and Marty Lederman, two law professors who frequently challenged President Bush's legal stances on his war powers before joining the Obama Office of Legal Counsel.

"It's always more painful for civil libertarians to be stabbed in the back by a friend," said Jonathan Turley, a scholar at George Washington University law school who has long been a fierce opponent of expansive interpretations of executive powers. "There's a real feeling of the Ides of March, that the Obama administration has enlisted civil libertarians to sort of do its dirty work."


But it was the attachment of Barron and Lederman's names in the story -- they were described as the memo's "principle" authors, with Barron having signed it -- that startled so many observers, particularly since it came on the heels of reports that a third prominent Bush critic, the State Department's legal adviser Harold Koh, had earlier defended Obama's decision to forego congressional approval before the Libya conflict.

"If there were two people you wouldnt have expected to underwrite expansive new powers for the president, they would have been Harold Koh, who built his career arguing against the Imperial Presidency, and Marty Lederman, who, right up until the time he entered the Obama administration, repeatedly made the case against the Bush-era expansion of executive power," said Gene Healy, of the libertarian Cato Institute. "Talk about 'growing in office.'"




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  -Holy... Crap... WillyT  Oct-10-11 09:23 PM   #0 
  - When you feel responsible for saving lives it's a bit more gray.  dkf   Oct-10-11 09:25 PM   #1 
  - similarly, when you feel responsible for saving Bush's legacy of expanded executive powers, it's  villager   Oct-10-11 09:27 PM   #2 
  - Yeah... It's Just A Goddamned Piece Of Paper...  WillyT   Oct-10-11 09:31 PM   #4 
  - Anything can be justified on that basis, including assassinating US citizens in the US & detaining  EdMaven   Oct-11-11 12:15 AM   #11 
  - No need to assassinate if you can apprehend.  dkf   Oct-11-11 11:03 AM   #15 
     - That's what makes this whole freedom and rights thing hard to keep going. If it's abandoned when it  Fuzz   Oct-11-11 12:57 PM   #19 
     - And your proof that Awlaki was dangerous  moodforaday   Oct-11-11 02:51 PM   #24 
  - No. It isn't. You bring forth evidence, you then act accordingly so that there is public  scentopine   Oct-11-11 12:30 AM   #12 
  - Bring forth evidence to who?  dkf   Oct-11-11 11:06 AM   #16 
     - To a JUDGE,  bvar22   Oct-11-11 12:46 PM   #17 
     - bvar, that is so 18th, 19th and 20th century,  Uncle Joe   Oct-11-11 12:59 PM   #21 
     - An American judge? What judge?  dkf   Oct-11-11 01:13 PM   #22 
     - Yes, that. Or how about  moodforaday   Oct-11-11 02:56 PM   #27 
     - Is your screen name a reference to the Steve Howe piece?  FiveGoodMen   Oct-11-11 06:27 PM   #32 
     - There are legal means for serving arrest warrents and capturing fugitives, or  scentopine   Oct-11-11 10:12 PM   #33 
  - And how many lives have you saved?  Rex   Oct-11-11 02:52 PM   #25 
  - When we use bumper sticker philosophies, we can rationalize anything...  LanternWaste   Oct-11-11 02:56 PM   #26 
  - Really? When Bush did it it was illegal...  LondonReign2   Oct-11-11 03:05 PM   #29 
  - Power corrupts  DJ13   Oct-10-11 09:27 PM   #3 
  - As we all know it's easier ...  GeorgeGist   Oct-10-11 10:25 PM   #5 
  - Indefensible. Betraying our own principles GUARANTEES more terrorism.  DirkGently   Oct-10-11 11:29 PM   #6 
  - As I see it...  moondust   Oct-10-11 11:48 PM   #7 
  - Excellent right wing talking points. Where does it say that in rule of law? Please - show me because  scentopine   Oct-11-11 12:13 AM   #9 
  - That may be how you see it but it is not the law.  Luminous Animal   Oct-11-11 12:14 AM   #10 
  - That's your uninformed conclusion. Legally you can't 'surrender  COLGATE4   Oct-11-11 01:25 PM   #23 
  - Thanks. Now how does the law see it?  moodforaday   Oct-11-11 02:59 PM   #28 
  - We did with bin Laden (risked American lives) why not disloyal Americans?  neverforget   Oct-11-11 10:21 PM   #34 
  - But Ann Coulter has got to be feeling up these days. She wanted death w/o trial 4 John Walker Lindh  kenny blankenship   Oct-10-11 11:58 PM   #8 
  - Obama learned from GW Bush. Bush made a mistake  scentopine   Oct-11-11 12:41 AM   #13 
  - It's a new strategy.  BlueCheese   Oct-11-11 12:47 AM   #14 
  - Hope Changed...  Octafish   Oct-11-11 12:51 PM   #18 
  - Anytime Octafish... Anytime...  WillyT   Oct-11-11 04:38 PM   #30 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Oct-11-11 12:58 PM   #20 
  - Short version: "It's not fascism when WE do it!"  FiveGoodMen   Oct-11-11 06:25 PM   #31 
  - K&R  Ignis   Oct-11-11 10:40 PM   #35 

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