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Mon Oct-10-11 10:53 PM
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| 70. Sure, but that's trillions of dollars in liquidity that the government couldn't pay back. |
| -It's a given that some form of Socialism is a better system |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:26 PM |
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We could start with the guillotine for the Let Them Eat Cake crowd. nt |
valerief |
Oct-10-11 07:27 PM |
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hehe |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 07:28 PM |
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Who's at the top of your list for execution, Valerie? |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:28 PM |
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The four greatest mass murders in history |
Nederland |
Oct-10-11 07:40 PM |
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+100 |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:46 PM |
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You'll find out that self-identification does not amount to a hill of beans. |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-10-11 07:50 PM |
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Then please enlighten us... |
Nederland |
Oct-10-11 08:14 PM |
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Socialism is where the working class holds power. They held power in none of those instances. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 08:17 PM |
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Is there anywhere the working class holds the power? |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-10-11 08:19 PM |
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Currently no. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 08:26 PM |
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Let us make an assumption... |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-10-11 08:31 PM |
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It really depends on which branch of socialism we are talking about. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 08:36 PM |
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Take a look at the 17th amendment |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-10-11 08:44 PM |
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Isn't that telling? |
Nederland |
Oct-10-11 09:04 PM |
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You do realize that democracy itself has failed several times throughout human history, correct? |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 09:12 PM |
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Yes I do realize that |
Nederland |
Oct-10-11 10:18 PM |
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There is no form of state socialism where the working class holds power. |
joshcryer |
Oct-10-11 10:09 PM |
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Surely, you can define socialism? |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-10-11 08:18 PM |
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No problem |
Nederland |
Oct-10-11 09:01 PM |
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State owned |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-10-11 09:06 PM |
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So what do we do if and when the ruling class uses violence against us? |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 07:52 PM |
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Non-violence worked pretty well for Gandhi and MLK |
Nederland |
Oct-10-11 07:55 PM |
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It did, didn't it? nt. |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:57 PM |
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Non-violence only works when the alternative is worse. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 07:59 PM |
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And how is that any different than today? |
Nederland |
Oct-10-11 08:08 PM |
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That's debatable. Neither of them can even touch the mass murder |
Fool Count |
Oct-10-11 07:54 PM |
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And endless war |
valerief |
Oct-10-11 07:55 PM |
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And the destruction of our environment that could very well wipe us all out. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 07:57 PM |
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War fallout does that. Fracking does that. Nuclear waste does that. Oil industry does that. |
valerief |
Oct-10-11 08:00 PM |
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You forgot your sarcasm thingie |
FrodosPet |
Oct-10-11 08:00 PM |
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This time robiespierre goes first |
Riftaxe |
Oct-10-11 09:42 PM |
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And now, I turn the thread over to everyone else. |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:27 PM |
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My suggestion: start networking for a 'parallel' vote for... |
Amonester |
Oct-10-11 09:20 PM |
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80% Capitalism 20% Socialism |
banned from Kos |
Oct-10-11 07:31 PM |
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How do we get there? That's not a step, it's a goal. |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:32 PM |
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How is that going to work? |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-10-11 07:49 PM |
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If you're afraid 'millions will die,' better to stick with Capitalism n/t |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 07:31 PM |
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I'm not a big fan of millions of people dying, to tell you the truth. |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:33 PM |
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How will these 'millions' die if Capitalism is defeated? |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 07:37 PM |
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How does it get defeated? You're still skipping all the steps that |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:39 PM |
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If we had Single Payer NonProfit healthcare, would people die? |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 07:42 PM |
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I've supported Single Payer Healthcare for years. So how do we |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:44 PM |
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You don't know that you have to remove the profit-takers? Yet you've read Marx and Engels? |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 07:46 PM |
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There are many ways to remove the "profit-takers." |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:47 PM |
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So you're back to being for it? Er... n/t |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 07:55 PM |
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Again, I'll answer your question when you answer mine. |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:59 PM |
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Your vigorous construction of Strawmen makes me think Obama has released his Jobs Program |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 08:11 PM |
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It's a long journey IMO, but I think OWS is a good start if the momentum can |
RKP5637 |
Oct-10-11 07:35 PM |
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Yes, it's interesting, and I admire the spirit of those who are there. |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:38 PM |
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Definitely, a plan will need to be in the works soon with an articulated doable goal set, because |
RKP5637 |
Oct-10-11 07:54 PM |
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They've already started to co-opt it. Yup. |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:57 PM |
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No, I didn't see that poll, I had no idea it was that low, none at all. Maybe this |
RKP5637 |
Oct-10-11 08:05 PM |
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Can you blame them for not voting? |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 08:08 PM |
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Start Nationalizing things of extreme importance to the continuity and prosperity of our country. |
FarLeftFist |
Oct-10-11 07:36 PM |
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Right now, that's not something that can be done within the current |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:42 PM |
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My gut feeling is capitalism will eventually implode on this current course. The |
RKP5637 |
Oct-10-11 07:43 PM |
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You cannot nationalize anything without just compensation. Constitution would need to be modified. |
joshcryer |
Oct-10-11 10:10 PM |
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We could get creative. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 10:14 PM |
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Sure, but that's trillions of dollars in liquidity that the government couldn't pay back. |
joshcryer |
Oct-10-11 10:53 PM |
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taxation on wealth over x amt is a start |
RainDog |
Oct-10-11 07:46 PM |
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That seems pretty distant right now. We can't even get people |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:49 PM |
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The majority of people in this nation are not opposed to taxes on the wealthy |
RainDog |
Oct-10-11 08:23 PM |
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I'd settle for equal rights for labor vs capital |
yurbud |
Oct-10-11 08:00 PM |
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Support unions, for one... |
War Horse |
Oct-10-11 08:00 PM |
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One word: Co-ops. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-10-11 08:07 PM |
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Existing model |
Jim Warren |
Oct-10-11 08:36 PM |
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we use the Swedish/Norway blueprint as best we can |
StarsInHerHair |
Oct-10-11 08:40 PM |
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The nordic countries have a capitalist economic system, too. |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-10-11 09:14 PM |
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I'd say we need to shift to a multi-party parliamentary system. |
wickerwoman |
Oct-10-11 09:23 PM |
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it's not one-size-fits-all |
procon |
Oct-10-11 10:07 PM |
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But how would you address the problem of finite resources? |
wickerwoman |
Oct-10-11 11:36 PM |
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The last thing you want is the government taking over the means of production. LAST THING. |
joshcryer |
Oct-10-11 10:07 PM |
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I don't think it is a given. Socialism is based on unit labor, just like capitalism |
JCMach1 |
Oct-10-11 11:48 PM |
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