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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:36 PM
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10. Start Nationalizing things of extreme importance to the continuity and prosperity of our country.
Why have our countries complete well-being and prosperity be in the hands of others? We should have a Nationalized back-up plan in case capitalism fully implodes. A way forward without the need to rely on the foreign entities and corps. Take America into our own hands. A back-up plan with the notion of capitalism imploding is a start.
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  -It's a given that some form of Socialism is a better system MineralMan  Oct-10-11 07:26 PM   #0 
  - We could start with the guillotine for the Let Them Eat Cake crowd. nt  valerief   Oct-10-11 07:27 PM   #1 
  - hehe  leftstreet   Oct-10-11 07:28 PM   #3 
  - Who's at the top of your list for execution, Valerie?  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:28 PM   #4 
  - The four greatest mass murders in history  Nederland   Oct-10-11 07:40 PM   #14 
  - +100  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:46 PM   #19 
  - You'll find out that self-identification does not amount to a hill of beans.  Zanzoobar   Oct-10-11 07:50 PM   #25 
  - Then please enlighten us...  Nederland   Oct-10-11 08:14 PM   #45 
     - Socialism is where the working class holds power. They held power in none of those instances.  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 08:17 PM   #46 
     - Is there anywhere the working class holds the power?  Zanzoobar   Oct-10-11 08:19 PM   #48 
     - Currently no.  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 08:26 PM   #50 
        - Let us make an assumption...  Zanzoobar   Oct-10-11 08:31 PM   #51 
        - It really depends on which branch of socialism we are talking about.  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 08:36 PM   #53 
           - Take a look at the 17th amendment  Zanzoobar   Oct-10-11 08:44 PM   #55 
        - Isn't that telling?  Nederland   Oct-10-11 09:04 PM   #57 
           - You do realize that democracy itself has failed several times throughout human history, correct?  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 09:12 PM   #59 
              - Yes I do realize that  Nederland   Oct-10-11 10:18 PM   #69 
     - There is no form of state socialism where the working class holds power.  joshcryer   Oct-10-11 10:09 PM   #66 
     - Surely, you can define socialism?  Zanzoobar   Oct-10-11 08:18 PM   #47 
        - No problem  Nederland   Oct-10-11 09:01 PM   #56 
           - State owned  Zanzoobar   Oct-10-11 09:06 PM   #58 
  - So what do we do if and when the ruling class uses violence against us?  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 07:52 PM   #26 
  - Non-violence worked pretty well for Gandhi and MLK  Nederland   Oct-10-11 07:55 PM   #30 
     - It did, didn't it? nt.  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:57 PM   #33 
     - Non-violence only works when the alternative is worse.  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 07:59 PM   #35 
        - And how is that any different than today?  Nederland   Oct-10-11 08:08 PM   #42 
  - That's debatable. Neither of them can even touch the mass murder  Fool Count   Oct-10-11 07:54 PM   #28 
     - And endless war  valerief   Oct-10-11 07:55 PM   #31 
        - And the destruction of our environment that could very well wipe us all out.  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 07:57 PM   #34 
           - War fallout does that. Fracking does that. Nuclear waste does that. Oil industry does that.  valerief   Oct-10-11 08:00 PM   #37 
  - You forgot your sarcasm thingie  FrodosPet   Oct-10-11 08:00 PM   # 
  - This time robiespierre goes first  Riftaxe   Oct-10-11 09:42 PM   #63 
  - And now, I turn the thread over to everyone else.  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:27 PM   #2 
  - My suggestion: start networking for a 'parallel' vote for...  Amonester   Oct-10-11 09:20 PM   #61 
  - 80% Capitalism 20% Socialism  banned from Kos   Oct-10-11 07:31 PM   #5 
  - How do we get there? That's not a step, it's a goal.  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:32 PM   #7 
  - How is that going to work?  Zanzoobar   Oct-10-11 07:49 PM   #23 
  - If you're afraid 'millions will die,' better to stick with Capitalism n/t  leftstreet   Oct-10-11 07:31 PM   #6 
  - I'm not a big fan of millions of people dying, to tell you the truth.  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:33 PM   #8 
     - How will these 'millions' die if Capitalism is defeated?  leftstreet   Oct-10-11 07:37 PM   #11 
        - How does it get defeated? You're still skipping all the steps that  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:39 PM   #13 
           - If we had Single Payer NonProfit healthcare, would people die?  leftstreet   Oct-10-11 07:42 PM   #15 
              - I've supported Single Payer Healthcare for years. So how do we  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:44 PM   #18 
                 - You don't know that you have to remove the profit-takers? Yet you've read Marx and Engels?  leftstreet   Oct-10-11 07:46 PM   #20 
                    - There are many ways to remove the "profit-takers."  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:47 PM   #22 
                       - So you're back to being for it? Er... n/t  leftstreet   Oct-10-11 07:55 PM   #29 
                          - Again, I'll answer your question when you answer mine.  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:59 PM   #36 
                             - Your vigorous construction of Strawmen makes me think Obama has released his Jobs Program  leftstreet   Oct-10-11 08:11 PM   #44 
  - It's a long journey IMO, but I think OWS is a good start if the momentum can  RKP5637   Oct-10-11 07:35 PM   #9 
  - Yes, it's interesting, and I admire the spirit of those who are there.  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:38 PM   #12 
     - Definitely, a plan will need to be in the works soon with an articulated doable goal set, because  RKP5637   Oct-10-11 07:54 PM   #27 
        - They've already started to co-opt it. Yup.  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:57 PM   #32 
           - No, I didn't see that poll, I had no idea it was that low, none at all. Maybe this  RKP5637   Oct-10-11 08:05 PM   #40 
           - Can you blame them for not voting?  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 08:08 PM   #43 
  - Start Nationalizing things of extreme importance to the continuity and prosperity of our country.  FarLeftFist   Oct-10-11 07:36 PM   #10 
  - Right now, that's not something that can be done within the current  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:42 PM   #16 
  - My gut feeling is capitalism will eventually implode on this current course. The  RKP5637   Oct-10-11 07:43 PM   #17 
  - You cannot nationalize anything without just compensation. Constitution would need to be modified.  joshcryer   Oct-10-11 10:10 PM   #67 
     - We could get creative.  white_wolf   Oct-10-11 10:14 PM   #68 
        - Sure, but that's trillions of dollars in liquidity that the government couldn't pay back.  joshcryer   Oct-10-11 10:53 PM   #70 
  - taxation on wealth over x amt is a start  RainDog   Oct-10-11 07:46 PM   #21 
  - That seems pretty distant right now. We can't even get people  MineralMan   Oct-10-11 07:49 PM   #24 
     - The majority of people in this nation are not opposed to taxes on the wealthy  RainDog   Oct-10-11 08:23 PM   #49 
  - I'd settle for equal rights for labor vs capital  yurbud   Oct-10-11 08:00 PM   #38 
  - Support unions, for one...  War Horse   Oct-10-11 08:00 PM   #39 
  - One word: Co-ops.  Odin2005   Oct-10-11 08:07 PM   #41 
  - Existing model  Jim Warren   Oct-10-11 08:36 PM   #52 
  - we use the Swedish/Norway blueprint as best we can  StarsInHerHair   Oct-10-11 08:40 PM   #54 
  - The nordic countries have a capitalist economic system, too.  Honeycombe8   Oct-10-11 09:14 PM   #60 
  - I'd say we need to shift to a multi-party parliamentary system.  wickerwoman   Oct-10-11 09:23 PM   #62 
  - it's not one-size-fits-all  procon   Oct-10-11 10:07 PM   #64 
  - But how would you address the problem of finite resources?  wickerwoman   Oct-10-11 11:36 PM   #71 
  - The last thing you want is the government taking over the means of production. LAST THING.  joshcryer   Oct-10-11 10:07 PM   #65 
  - I don't think it is a given. Socialism is based on unit labor, just like capitalism  JCMach1   Oct-10-11 11:48 PM   #72 

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