| 119. That's exactly what it is. |
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Edited on Tue Oct-11-11 10:02 AM by itsallhappening
You, as an individual, exist only to serve the collective in a socialist model. You are a subject of The State.
You can read all the theory you want. It's great for classroom conversation. But you won't have an understanding of its implementation until you study the history of socialist experiments, which is littered with famine, repression and genocide.
Those in power in the socialist states still end up with more money and goods and, obviously, more power. And when the masses realize "the great leap forward" only applied to the few in power, they rise up and you get things like the "Red Terror," or the massacre of tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands in Romania. The list goes on and on.
And invariably, those who still advocate for this failed economic model argue that it just wasn't properly implemented.
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| -Capitalism IS the problem |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:13 PM |
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Free trade, no tariffs. That fucked us over. nt |
valerief |
Oct-10-11 06:15 PM |
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But what led to free trade and no tariffs? |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:18 PM |
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Part of "Globalism" was killing unions |
War Horse |
Oct-10-11 06:27 PM |
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Capitalism is capitalism whether national or global. |
Unvanguard |
Oct-10-11 07:48 PM |
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Yet it gives us New technology, pharmaceuticals, entertainment and a lot of the pleasures in life. |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 06:18 PM |
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Capitalism is not the only way to provide incentives |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:19 PM |
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How do you reward achievements with money and not be capitalist? |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 06:22 PM |
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Is the Nobel prize a capitalist reward? |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:24 PM |
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Yes it is... |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 06:31 PM |
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Nobel was a capitalist, but that doesn't mean the prize is |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:33 PM |
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0bama got $1.4 million for his prize. |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 06:36 PM |
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Yes...and? |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:36 PM |
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It's a nice chunk of change. |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 06:50 PM |
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Too bad he never earned a penny of that change, |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 06:52 PM |
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They produce retirements for state pensioners. |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 07:19 PM |
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No they don't. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 07:29 PM |
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Exactly what did he do to win the prize? |
Synicus Maximus |
Oct-10-11 07:02 PM |
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Dunno. Doesn't seem like the ultimate in incentivizing though does it? |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 07:16 PM |
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It's an example |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 09:37 PM |
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If you reward with bonuses, that is capitalism. Money based on work effort and |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-10-11 09:16 PM |
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Why does a hedge fund manager get a bigger reward than the person who collects your garbage? |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 06:25 PM |
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Maybe because anyone who can walk and lift 50 pounds can collect garbage? |
pipoman |
Oct-10-11 06:34 PM |
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...and anyone with a keyboard can be a hedge fund manager |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:35 PM |
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How do you know I haven't? |
pipoman |
Oct-10-11 06:57 PM |
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Who says the hedge fund managers are qualified or successful? Can you say 'bailout'? |
LooseWilly |
Oct-11-11 01:50 AM |
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Unqualified, unsuccessful hedge managers |
pipoman |
Oct-11-11 06:00 AM |
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So...go try and be a hedge fund manager. First, spend hundreds of thousands of |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-10-11 09:20 PM |
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"There are a lot of those jobs around" |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 09:37 PM |
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Besides, what GOOD is a hedge fund manager? Anwser: Useless |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 09:39 PM |
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Oh THIS conversation again...Anybody can do any job |
snooper2 |
Oct-11-11 10:12 AM |
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Geez, basic Marxism. Perceived value of labor vs. actual value of labor. And yes, a garbage collecto |
anneboleyn |
Oct-10-11 10:09 PM |
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OFTLOF |
pipoman |
Oct-11-11 06:07 AM |
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The point is garbage collectors perform a far more important task than the hedge fund managers, |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 10:08 AM |
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I know some in these parts are die-hard idealists |
pipoman |
Oct-11-11 06:46 PM |
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Why does he lose half his assets in 10 months whereas the person collecting your garbage still gets |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 06:34 PM |
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lol let me get my violin |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 06:37 PM |
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Well that's how he makes a lot and loses a lot |
dkf |
Oct-10-11 06:52 PM |
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The People Who Collect the Garbage Do Not Speak English |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-11-11 11:25 PM |
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The Space Program gave us alot of good stuff too. |
Billypenn |
Oct-11-11 09:57 AM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 06:18 PM |
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capitalism with regulation worked so well that people stopped paying attention to gov't here |
yurbud |
Oct-10-11 06:20 PM |
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Not sure how well it worked |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:22 PM |
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that is a completely different argument, unrelated to capitalism. |
Joe Fields |
Oct-11-11 12:21 AM |
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I disagree. I think it is essential in the understanding of Capitalism. |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:15 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-11-11 01:55 AM |
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So what is the alternative |
War Horse |
Oct-10-11 06:30 PM |
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Yeah, what is the alternative to letting rich people profit from our labor? |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 06:32 PM |
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So you've reached a level of political enlightenment |
War Horse |
Oct-10-11 06:41 PM |
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I'll give you a list of alternatives... |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:44 PM |
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A few disagreements. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 06:48 PM |
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All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communist |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:55 PM |
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No, I haven't even cracked a beer |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 06:44 PM |
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Alternatives Are, Be Self-Employed, Work for a Cooperative or a Non-Profit or a Government Agency |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-10-11 10:43 PM |
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The answer of "what we should do now" is to find an answer to this question |
ChillbertKChesterton |
Oct-10-11 06:34 PM |
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Then you can move along without me |
War Horse |
Oct-10-11 06:53 PM |
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There's no way real social change can happen without it |
ChillbertKChesterton |
Oct-10-11 09:00 PM |
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The alternative is to scrap capitalism |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:36 PM |
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I wonder if folks said to George Washington "so what is the alternative" |
TBF |
Oct-10-11 06:42 PM |
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People say "well if you don't have an alternative, you shouldn't criticize Capitalism!" |
ChillbertKChesterton |
Oct-10-11 06:31 PM |
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all systems that totally eradicated capitalism have been impoverished totalitarian nightmares |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-10-11 06:36 PM |
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Yet Capitalism itself leads to impoverished totalitarian nightmares |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:38 PM |
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l modern Europe has shown a workable alternative - not perfect - but something that actually works |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-10-11 06:50 PM |
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No,UNREGULATED Capitalism is the problem |
rustydog |
Oct-10-11 06:45 PM |
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The problem is, Capitalism provides motivation to buy the regulators |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:47 PM |
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I'll have to give you that |
War Horse |
Oct-10-11 07:10 PM |
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Greed provides the motivation. No matter what system. |
Gregorian |
Oct-10-11 07:41 PM |
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Agreed |
workinclasszero |
Oct-10-11 07:49 PM |
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And there is no incentive to bribe government officials in Socialism? (nt) |
Nederland |
Oct-10-11 07:50 PM |
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Democratic Socialism IS the answer. |
roamer65 |
Oct-10-11 06:48 PM |
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UNREGULATED Capitalism. |
OHdem10 |
Oct-10-11 06:51 PM |
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OK. Then, it's time to find a path to a non-capitalistic |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 06:53 PM |
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If workers owned the means of production, how would millions starve to death? |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 06:55 PM |
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Oh, dear. Sounds great. How do you accomplish having the |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 06:59 PM |
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You didn't answer the question n/t |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 07:13 PM |
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Nor did you answer mine. I asked for a path, you provided an |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:35 PM |
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Why do you want a path to a system you say will kill millions? n/t |
leftstreet |
Oct-10-11 07:40 PM |
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Howzabout Capitalism Dominated by Worker-Owned Businesses? |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-10-11 08:35 PM |
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If *all* companies were employee owned - that would fall under the definition of Socialism |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 09:34 PM |
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That would be Mutualism. An influential early form of anarchism. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 10:11 PM |
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Economist David Ricardo suggested Social Democracy as a tranition phase |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 06:57 PM |
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And how do you put people in control of the means of production, |
MineralMan |
Oct-10-11 07:03 PM |
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How do we get there? Nationalize certain companies. I'd start with Big Pharm. |
Taverner |
Oct-10-11 09:24 PM |
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When the Oil Companies Fuck Up Big Time, Cancel their Leases |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-10-11 11:37 PM |
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But that's just it - Capitalism won't let that happen |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:56 AM |
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It's easy to compensate the shareholders |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-11-11 02:24 PM |
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You do realize that there is no current way to nationalize |
MineralMan |
Oct-11-11 07:58 AM |
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And that's where the conversation ends... |
snooper2 |
Oct-11-11 10:14 AM |
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As a wise DU'er wrote in a different thread... |
SidDithers |
Oct-11-11 10:22 AM |
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That's what's so frustrating to me. I have lofty goals, too, |
MineralMan |
Oct-11-11 10:28 AM |
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At the rate we are going now, there won't be an "America" in twenty or so years |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:23 AM |
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We need a brand new government |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:21 AM |
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Industries have been nationalized before. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 10:20 AM |
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Yes, but getting Congress to authorize such things isn't so |
MineralMan |
Oct-11-11 10:30 AM |
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Congress has utterly failed. Fire them all, and then sue them for fraud. nt |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:22 AM |
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Thanks. I couldn't think of the instance, but I knew there was a precedent. |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:21 AM |
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That doesn't stop the government from doing other things it's not authorized to do |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:19 AM |
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Not Taverner, but I'd just wait till they crashed |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-11-11 02:20 PM |
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It worked for a while. |
moondust |
Oct-10-11 06:56 PM |
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Corporatism is the problem, not capitalism. |
Rex |
Oct-10-11 07:04 PM |
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Wrong. Corporatism is Capitalism in it's final stage. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-10-11 07:13 PM |
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Yep. It's a form of Imperialism. As Lenin said it's the highest stage of capitalism. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 07:28 PM |
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Imagine |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-10-11 07:09 PM |
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I see the Capitalism defenders have arrived. UGH! |
Odin2005 |
Oct-10-11 07:12 PM |
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do you not see a little irony in saying that and having a Howard Dean avatar? |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-10-11 07:21 PM |
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Absolutely true. The weasel word "corporatism" just distorts this fact. |
Unvanguard |
Oct-10-11 07:47 PM |
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Unregulated Capitalism is the enemy of workingmen. |
demosincebirth |
Oct-10-11 08:03 PM |
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K&R. |
Vidar |
Oct-10-11 08:39 PM |
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Here we go again. Every time things get tough it's capitalism's fault, but... |
TreasonousBastard |
Oct-10-11 08:56 PM |
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Capitalism works well for a few, but not the majority. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 09:04 PM |
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But still no alternative. |
TreasonousBastard |
Oct-10-11 09:20 PM |
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We have an alternative. It's called socialism. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 09:24 PM |
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What are the ills of socialism? |
itsallhappening |
Oct-10-11 09:44 PM |
#83 |
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Hello? |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 08:34 AM |
#109 |
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Why don't you tell me what you think they are and I will address them. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 09:41 AM |
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We could start with all the failed socialist states. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 09:48 AM |
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Your one flaw doesn't exist. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 09:50 AM |
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That's exactly what it is. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 10:00 AM |
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Oh, so we are judging an ideology based upon the atrocities committed in it's name, are we? |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 10:06 AM |
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No. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 10:26 AM |
#128 |
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Your first sentence shows you are completely ignorant of socialism. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 10:34 AM |
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Wow. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 10:49 AM |
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Hitler WAS a Capitalist |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:39 AM |
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You know when Hitler was asked about socialism he made it clear that his socialism wasn't Marxism. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 11:43 AM |
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Nope. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:23 PM |
#172 |
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Have you ever even TAKEN a class on economics? |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:29 PM |
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Read some history. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:34 PM |
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He did not nationalize the German Auto Industry |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:38 PM |
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You need a remedial history class. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:42 PM |
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OK, then by your definition, Obama "Nationalized" the banks. |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:43 PM |
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Show sources that prove your claims that Hitler nationalized the majority of industry in Germany. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 12:46 PM |
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By the way, I realize you said you were done, but I'm sorry you didn't get to |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 11:03 AM |
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Wow - wishing death - how...Capitalist of you |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:43 AM |
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You know I put the person your replying to on ignore, but I think I'm missing some funny stuff. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 11:45 AM |
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The poster wished you got to experience Pol Pot and the USSR |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:02 PM |
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He's the one idolizing those societies. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:17 PM |
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Everyone having a job is much better than people starving |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:19 PM |
#170 |
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You've created a false choice. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:23 PM |
#173 |
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You cannot feed everyone under a Capitalist system |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:26 PM |
#177 |
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You can't feed everyone under any system. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:36 PM |
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We grow enough food to keep everyone on the planet well fed. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 12:41 PM |
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Explain the method by which you would accomplish that |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:44 PM |
#190 |
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That is such bullshit. I've never said I idolize the USSR. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 12:24 PM |
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Judging from your posts, you're going on nothing more than |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:30 PM |
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"The socialist system requires individuals to abandon free will and individual rights" |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:37 AM |
#153 |
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Which is why Ayn Rand idolized one of them. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 11:44 AM |
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Yep - William Hickman. She would have loved Ted Bundy too |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:46 AM |
#160 |
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Forgot to ask... |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 10:33 AM |
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The only "right" socialism takes away is the "right" to own private property. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 10:36 AM |
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Yeah, just that little insignificant right. LOL |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 10:53 AM |
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The Capitalists have turned the means of production against the workers |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:25 AM |
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What a strange analogy. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:18 PM |
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"Productive People"???? The only thing they produce IS death |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:20 PM |
#171 |
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Wow, I think we have an Ayn Rand fan on our hands. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 12:25 PM |
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Okay, Captain Hyperbole. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:26 PM |
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I hate to be the one to break this to you - but you, and pretty much all of us - will never be rich |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:32 PM |
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You might not be invited. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:41 PM |
#185 |
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Um, $300K is not rich |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:42 PM |
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Trajectory. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:46 PM |
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It doesn't really work that way |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:50 PM |
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It can, and sometimes does. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:53 PM |
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Good for you. I never said capitalism doesn't work for a minority of people. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 12:50 PM |
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It fails when you think like the other poster. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 12:53 PM |
#196 |
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So are you saying those working for slave wages in China just need to work harder |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 12:56 PM |
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No. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 01:56 PM |
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Bullshit. China is as capitalist a nation you'll find on this planet. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 02:06 PM |
#199 |
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This computer is personal property. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 11:53 AM |
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The Soviet states were no more Socialist than Bush was Compassionate Conservatism |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:24 AM |
#147 |
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Why Has Communism Failed to Protect the Workers in China from Said Evils? |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-10-11 10:51 PM |
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Oh please China abandoned even attempting to build socialism with Mao's death. |
white_wolf |
Oct-10-11 11:35 PM |
#92 |
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Obviously. How Did That Happen? |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-10-11 11:59 PM |
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There is no "Communism" in China |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:27 AM |
#149 |
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The former USSR is a better example. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 08:43 AM |
#110 |
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Again - the USSR was not Communist |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:29 AM |
#150 |
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Yeah. The very early days of the USSR was the most free society on earth. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 11:41 AM |
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So the East Germans and the Soviets didn't make any great scientific discoveries? Or the Chinese? |
anneboleyn |
Oct-10-11 10:50 PM |
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Uh, no iphone without ARPANET, which was government funded. Many American innovations (human genome |
anneboleyn |
Oct-10-11 11:03 PM |
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K&R....n/t |
unkachuck |
Oct-10-11 09:36 PM |
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Yes, Marxism 101: there is no inherent correlation between labor and remuneration. "Surplus value." |
anneboleyn |
Oct-10-11 10:47 PM |
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+1 |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-11-11 12:01 AM |
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+1 |
leftstreet |
Oct-11-11 01:43 AM |
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Capitalism isn't the problem, Reganomics is the problem. |
Initech |
Oct-10-11 11:05 PM |
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Oct-11-11 01:56 AM |
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Switzerland: capitalist, 3% unemployment, universal health care. |
Nye Bevan |
Oct-10-11 11:36 PM |
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capitalism with regulation did work. |
Joe Fields |
Oct-11-11 12:19 AM |
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Name removed |
Oct-11-11 01:55 AM |
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Minimum Wage Petition to White House |
Altruism |
Oct-11-11 01:52 AM |
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Leave capitalism alone |
walerosco |
Oct-11-11 08:20 AM |
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There's something all ism's have in common |
The2ndWheel |
Oct-11-11 08:44 AM |
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toilet musings |
Che Billy |
Oct-11-11 09:49 AM |
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Well mused. |
moondust |
Oct-11-11 11:45 AM |
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Americans are a pro-capitalist people. Deal with it. |
phleshdef |
Oct-11-11 09:54 AM |
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Not entirely true. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 10:00 AM |
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I never said Americans don't want socialism as well. |
phleshdef |
Oct-11-11 11:07 AM |
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Agreed. Along with a sustainable safety-net. |
itsallhappening |
Oct-11-11 11:09 AM |
#139 |
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Whether or not we sell the idea is irrelevant |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 12:39 PM |
#184 |
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And still it's 'anything but socialism'. |
blindpig |
Oct-11-11 10:16 AM |
#124 |
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I think the OP is a fan of Debs's Socialist Party and the I.W.W. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 10:23 AM |
#127 |
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He first read Marx while in prison in IL |
Taverner |
Oct-11-11 11:34 AM |
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Thanks. The more I read of him, the more I like him. |
white_wolf |
Oct-11-11 11:47 AM |
#162 |
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Capitalism works. |
Colonel Schwartz |
Oct-11-11 10:35 AM |
#133 |
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No, Not Really |
NeedleCast |
Oct-11-11 11:14 AM |
#140 |
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Capitalism is fine. People suck. n/t |
Cats Against Frist |
Oct-11-11 11:16 AM |
#141 |
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Ya can't get anymore reactionary than that. |
blindpig |
Oct-11-11 12:07 PM |
#166 |
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Capitalism actually has two aspects that work together to maximize the damage. |
GliderGuider |
Oct-11-11 11:35 AM |
#152 |
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Actually when "We tried Capitalism with regulation" it worked pretty well |
ThomWV |
Oct-11-11 11:47 AM |
#161 |
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The problem with the "Capitalism works with regulation" |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-11-11 02:44 PM |
#202 |