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Sun Oct-09-11 11:03 AM
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| 14. But is anybody really preparing for the "fight you" stage? |
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Information moves fast these days, and we've been through the ignoring and the ridiculing in just a few weeks. But the fighting can go on for a long time.
The 1% were caught off balance by OWS and haven't been able to respond effectively so far. Also, the entire elaborate apparatus that they have developed since the 1970s -- all the right-wing think-tanks and public policy groups -- is designed to put pressure on government and politicians and not to deal with popular protest. Even the tactics of marginalization that make it possible to ignore massive one-day marches and rallies are not as effective against small but sustained occupations.
But you can be quite sure they're regrouping and working out a strategy, and that we can expect to see the pressure begin by the end of the month. The most obvious tool they can use is to get cities to shut down the encampments -- declare them public health hazards or whatever and sweep them out. And that is not a battle that I think the protesters can or should try to win.
As anybody who's ever played Risk knows, trying to hold territory when you're being attacked from all sides is a losing strategy. It's far more effective to spread out and be in so many places at once that nobody can take you down. In other words, a kind of Anonymous "We are legion. Expect us." strategy.
The occupiers are the vanguard, but they can't do it alone -- and it would be foolish to let the energy that they've generated be diverted into a fight that can't be won. That energy needs to be released into the larger system. Instead of a few thousand occupiers-in-fact, we need a few hundred thousand occupiers-in-spirit. And the marvelous unity of purpose that has been created through the human microphone has to be sustained over a much broader and more diverse community.
But what would it mean to be an occupier-in-spirit? The best model I can think of is the gay assertion, "We're here, we're queer, get used to it." The people who have showed up for the occupations have been here all along, but they haven't been visible because they've tried to blend in to the background and not call attention to themselves. That's what has to end.
People need to identify themselves as OWS-ers. They have to appear in public not as Democrats or liberals or any of the usual labels but as representatives of the principles of OWS. They have to insist that those principles be given top priority in every political debate and they have to reframe ongoing local issues as examples of those principles. They might even dog the Republican primaries this winter and target both the voters and the reporters to inject the OWS principles into the process.
They have to be *everywhere* and be insistent enough and at times rowdy enough to make themselves unignorable.
And if that happens, even if the physical occupations are dispersed or whittled down by winter weather, the movement will have seeded itself throughout the country. And at that point, it will no longer be vulnerable to any simple tactics of police repression.
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| -Bank On It: They're Scared |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-09-11 09:13 AM |
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Agree and rec'd. The blurred line by the MSM on how this happened is focused by OWS |
underpants |
Oct-09-11 09:20 AM |
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K&R |
nxylas |
Oct-09-11 09:23 AM |
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Just a little FYI... |
Flubadubya |
Oct-09-11 05:56 PM |
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Yes, I was replying to the OP |
nxylas |
Oct-09-11 06:18 PM |
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I think the scared part comes from the imminent collapse of the world economy. |
Kablooie |
Oct-09-11 09:25 AM |
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Good point. They aren't "scared" just planning to keep what they got |
flamingdem |
Oct-09-11 11:05 AM |
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exactly....that's why they want a privatized military/law enforcement ASAP. |
blm |
Oct-09-11 03:41 PM |
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Scared enough to send in provocateurs: |
mod mom |
Oct-09-11 09:25 AM |
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I fucking knew it! |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-09-11 09:38 AM |
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well, Will, why not write a piece on this so it's gets better noticed. |
mod mom |
Oct-09-11 11:59 AM |
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Reading my mind. |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-09-11 12:12 PM |
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Hilarious! nt |
tama |
Oct-09-11 01:14 PM |
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Poor things! Their comfort zone is threatened. We know the feeling. |
Frustratedlady |
Oct-09-11 09:34 AM |
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Oh yeah. They're scared. What surprises me ... they haven't taken over the Internet(s) yet. The |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-09-11 09:38 AM |
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Huge corps like ATT are raking in a long ton of $$$--even a |
anamandujano |
Oct-09-11 09:52 AM |
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Shut down the internet |
DearAbby |
Oct-09-11 05:20 PM |
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Recommended. |
H2O Man |
Oct-09-11 09:50 AM |
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Capital knows exactly what they are doing - |
TBF |
Oct-09-11 09:52 AM |
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Not scared enough in my mind |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-09-11 09:54 AM |
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You are correct, |
dixiegrrrrl |
Oct-09-11 03:18 PM |
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Yep I agree. But as V.I. Lenin once said |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-09-11 05:35 PM |
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I wonder what Fox.. |
butterfly77 |
Oct-09-11 10:00 AM |
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Safety tips |
Zambero |
Oct-09-11 10:20 AM |
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While I disagree with the fee, I also disagree with your reasoning as to why they did it. |
cui bono |
Oct-10-11 12:55 AM |
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on credit cards they get a percentage of the sale so it is big bucks |
ThomThom |
Oct-10-11 07:58 AM |
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You and I may pay off the credit card balance each month |
Zambero |
Oct-10-11 01:01 PM |
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But is anybody really preparing for the "fight you" stage? |
starroute |
Oct-09-11 11:03 AM |
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+1000! |
FirstLight |
Oct-09-11 11:25 AM |
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Yes. This needs to be discussed as an OP. n/t |
Beam Me Up |
Oct-09-11 11:55 AM |
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right |
marions ghost |
Oct-09-11 05:36 PM |
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Nice post --- |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 11:47 AM |
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:) This was wrapped up in my fortune cookie yesterday! |
lonestarnot |
Oct-09-11 11:55 AM |
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Thank You !!! - K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Oct-09-11 12:03 PM |
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Stranger Danger! Man, I want a copy of that protest handbook; it sound suitable for framing. |
Fire Walk With Me |
Oct-09-11 12:30 PM |
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Ask and you shall receive: |
arcane1 |
Oct-09-11 12:41 PM |
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Heh, thanks :) |
Fire Walk With Me |
Oct-09-11 01:08 PM |
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The genius of OWS is what some people call it's greatest flaw. |
pa28 |
Oct-09-11 01:06 PM |
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Spot on |
Mosaic |
Oct-09-11 05:09 PM |
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I'd think they'd have to be. They know how much they'ved screwed the 99% over. |
monicamonix32 |
Oct-09-11 01:22 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
Fire Walk With Me |
Oct-09-11 02:06 PM |
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At the point when "they fight you".... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-09-11 01:58 PM |
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Change is coming, and this time it is coming from the people who have been affected by the banks. |
Major Hogwash |
Oct-09-11 01:59 PM |
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Terra, terra, terra!!!! Dollars to donuts they wind up calling US the "terraists" |
kestrel91316 |
Oct-09-11 02:11 PM |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Oct-09-11 02:34 PM |
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They've been EXPECTING protest for some time, too, Will. Memory hole: Oct2005 memo from Citibank... |
blm |
Oct-09-11 02:49 PM |
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Holy shit. |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-09-11 02:52 PM |
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Egads! That is frightening. |
stevedeshazer |
Oct-09-11 03:18 PM |
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Posted it in its own thread. |
blm |
Oct-09-11 03:42 PM |
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Good. Glad you did. n/t |
stevedeshazer |
Oct-09-11 04:34 PM |
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Sounds like it came straight out of something by Ayn Rand... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-09-11 03:51 PM |
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Well, Ayn Rand is THEIR goddess. They only USE Bible and Jesus to fake out the masses, ala Bush. |
blm |
Oct-09-11 03:57 PM |
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Isn't this the same memo that called some citizens |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-09-11 05:41 PM |
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Thank you for posting this, as callous and terrifying as it is. |
Raksha |
Oct-10-11 04:15 AM |
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I hear there's a second part to this and that the analysis was distributed to the wealthiest clients |
blm |
Oct-10-11 08:38 AM |
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Scared like a school of sharks in a sea of dolphins. nt |
Zorra |
Oct-09-11 04:00 PM |
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KandR. Awesome! |
Dystopian |
Oct-09-11 04:05 PM |
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In some cities |
tooeyeten |
Oct-09-11 04:32 PM |
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Our hack media will give more coverage to |
The Wizard |
Oct-09-11 04:36 PM |
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Yes, yes they are |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-09-11 05:10 PM |
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The Ghandi attribution: |
Hissyspit |
Oct-09-11 06:48 PM |
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They should be but they don't recognize who they are. |
MichiganVote |
Oct-09-11 06:54 PM |
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well said |
proud patriot |
Oct-09-11 07:03 PM |
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delete |
moondust |
Oct-09-11 07:23 PM |
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Maybe some day I'll be able to have a beer with Will- Until then and ever more, thanks! |
callous taoboy |
Oct-09-11 07:25 PM |
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I don't see any fear, sorry. |
Doctor_J |
Oct-09-11 07:40 PM |
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Obama's looking into it |
Mosaic |
Oct-09-11 08:33 PM |
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Your concern is noted. |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-09-11 08:58 PM |
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As is your snarky dismissal |
Doctor_J |
Oct-09-11 09:17 PM |
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Oh shit. |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-09-11 09:25 PM |
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You left out the line in that handbook that creeped me out the most: |
kath |
Oct-09-11 07:42 PM |
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Well of course they should call the police! These are "anti-bank" people! |
arcane1 |
Oct-09-11 11:16 PM |
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K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Oct-09-11 08:20 PM |
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How to destroy a social movement....... |
laureloak |
Oct-09-11 08:30 PM |
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that guy's nuts |
Doctor_J |
Oct-09-11 08:44 PM |
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"War means fighting and fighting means killing" NB Forrest |
Tom Ripley |
Oct-09-11 09:31 PM |
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Quoting the creator of the KKK is a bold move. |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-09-11 09:35 PM |
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Sometimes even a blind pig can find an acorn |
Tom Ripley |
Oct-09-11 09:38 PM |
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Or not. |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-09-11 09:39 PM |
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Will, tell me of a successful revolution (not an evolution of the status quo) that |
Tom Ripley |
Oct-09-11 09:46 PM |
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And your history of quoting of southern slaveowner Thomas Jefferson? |
Tom Ripley |
Oct-10-11 02:05 AM |
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change the song. "Bank on the run, Bank on the run" |
donheld |
Oct-09-11 10:14 PM |
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They aren't scared enough to suit me. nt |
Enthusiast |
Oct-10-11 01:25 AM |
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Those are great tips |
kimsarah |
Oct-10-11 04:04 AM |
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I'm located right next door to the protests here in Austin... |
Javaman |
Oct-10-11 08:11 AM |
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Their utopia is not what it once was. |
liberal N proud |
Oct-10-11 08:28 AM |
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Yep, and I see they're sending in the disruptors here, too. |
GoCubsGo |
Oct-10-11 08:40 AM |
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This |
Chimichurri |
Oct-10-11 09:00 AM |
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There's a difference |
customerserviceguy |
Oct-10-11 09:34 AM |
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I want to know what happens between "They fight you" and "Then you win" |
Matariki |
Oct-10-11 01:07 PM |
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Mitt Romney, Eric Cantor ARE the Mob. |
Dont call me Shirley |
Oct-10-11 03:53 PM |
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