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14. But is anybody really preparing for the "fight you" stage?
Information moves fast these days, and we've been through the ignoring and the ridiculing in just a few weeks. But the fighting can go on for a long time.

The 1% were caught off balance by OWS and haven't been able to respond effectively so far. Also, the entire elaborate apparatus that they have developed since the 1970s -- all the right-wing think-tanks and public policy groups -- is designed to put pressure on government and politicians and not to deal with popular protest. Even the tactics of marginalization that make it possible to ignore massive one-day marches and rallies are not as effective against small but sustained occupations.

But you can be quite sure they're regrouping and working out a strategy, and that we can expect to see the pressure begin by the end of the month. The most obvious tool they can use is to get cities to shut down the encampments -- declare them public health hazards or whatever and sweep them out. And that is not a battle that I think the protesters can or should try to win.

As anybody who's ever played Risk knows, trying to hold territory when you're being attacked from all sides is a losing strategy. It's far more effective to spread out and be in so many places at once that nobody can take you down. In other words, a kind of Anonymous "We are legion. Expect us." strategy.

The occupiers are the vanguard, but they can't do it alone -- and it would be foolish to let the energy that they've generated be diverted into a fight that can't be won. That energy needs to be released into the larger system. Instead of a few thousand occupiers-in-fact, we need a few hundred thousand occupiers-in-spirit. And the marvelous unity of purpose that has been created through the human microphone has to be sustained over a much broader and more diverse community.

But what would it mean to be an occupier-in-spirit? The best model I can think of is the gay assertion, "We're here, we're queer, get used to it." The people who have showed up for the occupations have been here all along, but they haven't been visible because they've tried to blend in to the background and not call attention to themselves. That's what has to end.

People need to identify themselves as OWS-ers. They have to appear in public not as Democrats or liberals or any of the usual labels but as representatives of the principles of OWS. They have to insist that those principles be given top priority in every political debate and they have to reframe ongoing local issues as examples of those principles. They might even dog the Republican primaries this winter and target both the voters and the reporters to inject the OWS principles into the process.

They have to be *everywhere* and be insistent enough and at times rowdy enough to make themselves unignorable.

And if that happens, even if the physical occupations are dispersed or whittled down by winter weather, the movement will have seeded itself throughout the country. And at that point, it will no longer be vulnerable to any simple tactics of police repression.

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  -Bank On It: They're Scared WilliamPitt  Oct-09-11 09:13 AM   #0 
  - Agree and rec'd. The blurred line by the MSM on how this happened is focused by OWS  underpants   Oct-09-11 09:20 AM   #1 
  - K&R  nxylas   Oct-09-11 09:23 AM   #2 
     - Just a little FYI...  Flubadubya   Oct-09-11 05:56 PM   #53 
        - Yes, I was replying to the OP  nxylas   Oct-09-11 06:18 PM   #54 
  - I think the scared part comes from the imminent collapse of the world economy.  Kablooie   Oct-09-11 09:25 AM   #3 
  - Good point. They aren't "scared" just planning to keep what they got  flamingdem   Oct-09-11 11:05 AM   #15 
     - exactly....that's why they want a privatized military/law enforcement ASAP.  blm   Oct-09-11 03:41 PM   #38 
  - Scared enough to send in provocateurs:  mod mom   Oct-09-11 09:25 AM   #4 
  - I fucking knew it!  WilliamPitt   Oct-09-11 09:38 AM   #6 
  - well, Will, why not write a piece on this so it's gets better noticed.  mod mom   Oct-09-11 11:59 AM   #20 
     - Reading my mind.  WilliamPitt   Oct-09-11 12:12 PM   #22 
  - Hilarious! nt  tama   Oct-09-11 01:14 PM   #27 
  - Poor things! Their comfort zone is threatened. We know the feeling.  Frustratedlady   Oct-09-11 09:34 AM   #5 
  - Oh yeah. They're scared. What surprises me ... they haven't taken over the Internet(s) yet. The  in_cog_ni_to   Oct-09-11 09:38 AM   #7 
  - Huge corps like ATT are raking in a long ton of $$$--even a  anamandujano   Oct-09-11 09:52 AM   #9 
  - Shut down the internet  DearAbby   Oct-09-11 05:20 PM   #49 
  - Recommended.  H2O Man   Oct-09-11 09:50 AM   #8 
  - Capital knows exactly what they are doing -  TBF   Oct-09-11 09:52 AM   #10 
  - Not scared enough in my mind  socialist_n_TN   Oct-09-11 09:54 AM   #11 
  - You are correct,  dixiegrrrrl   Oct-09-11 03:18 PM   #37 
     - Yep I agree. But as V.I. Lenin once said  socialist_n_TN   Oct-09-11 05:35 PM   #50 
  - I wonder what Fox..  butterfly77   Oct-09-11 10:00 AM   #12 
  - Safety tips  Zambero   Oct-09-11 10:20 AM   #13 
  - While I disagree with the fee, I also disagree with your reasoning as to why they did it.  cui bono   Oct-10-11 12:55 AM   #76 
     - on credit cards they get a percentage of the sale so it is big bucks  ThomThom   Oct-10-11 07:58 AM   #81 
     - You and I may pay off the credit card balance each month  Zambero   Oct-10-11 01:01 PM   #88 
  - But is anybody really preparing for the "fight you" stage?  starroute   Oct-09-11 11:03 AM   #14 
  - +1000!  FirstLight   Oct-09-11 11:25 AM   #16 
  - Yes. This needs to be discussed as an OP. n/t  Beam Me Up   Oct-09-11 11:55 AM   #19 
  - right  marions ghost   Oct-09-11 05:36 PM   #51 
  - Nice post ---  defendandprotect   Oct-09-11 11:47 AM   #17 
  - :) This was wrapped up in my fortune cookie yesterday!  lonestarnot   Oct-09-11 11:55 AM   #18 
  - Thank You !!! - K & R !!!  WillyT   Oct-09-11 12:03 PM   #21 
  - Stranger Danger! Man, I want a copy of that protest handbook; it sound suitable for framing.  Fire Walk With Me   Oct-09-11 12:30 PM   #23 
  - Ask and you shall receive:  arcane1   Oct-09-11 12:41 PM   #24 
     - Heh, thanks :)  Fire Walk With Me   Oct-09-11 01:08 PM   #26 
  - The genius of OWS is what some people call it's greatest flaw.  pa28   Oct-09-11 01:06 PM   #25 
  - Spot on  Mosaic   Oct-09-11 05:09 PM   #47 
  - I'd think they'd have to be. They know how much they'ved screwed the 99% over.  monicamonix32   Oct-09-11 01:22 PM   #28 
  - Welcome to DU!  Fire Walk With Me   Oct-09-11 02:06 PM   #31 
  - At the point when "they fight you"....  AntiFascist   Oct-09-11 01:58 PM   #29 
  - Change is coming, and this time it is coming from the people who have been affected by the banks.  Major Hogwash   Oct-09-11 01:59 PM   #30 
  - Terra, terra, terra!!!! Dollars to donuts they wind up calling US the "terraists"  kestrel91316   Oct-09-11 02:11 PM   #32 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Oct-09-11 02:34 PM   #33 
  - They've been EXPECTING protest for some time, too, Will. Memory hole: Oct2005 memo from Citibank...  blm   Oct-09-11 02:49 PM   #34 
  - Holy shit.  WilliamPitt   Oct-09-11 02:52 PM   #35 
  - Egads! That is frightening.  stevedeshazer   Oct-09-11 03:18 PM   #36 
  - Posted it in its own thread.  blm   Oct-09-11 03:42 PM   #39 
     - Good. Glad you did. n/t  stevedeshazer   Oct-09-11 04:34 PM   #45 
  - Sounds like it came straight out of something by Ayn Rand...  AntiFascist   Oct-09-11 03:51 PM   #40 
  - Well, Ayn Rand is THEIR goddess. They only USE Bible and Jesus to fake out the masses, ala Bush.  blm   Oct-09-11 03:57 PM   #41 
  - Isn't this the same memo that called some citizens  socialist_n_TN   Oct-09-11 05:41 PM   #52 
  - Thank you for posting this, as callous and terrifying as it is.  Raksha   Oct-10-11 04:15 AM   #80 
     - I hear there's a second part to this and that the analysis was distributed to the wealthiest clients  blm   Oct-10-11 08:38 AM   #84 
  - Scared like a school of sharks in a sea of dolphins. nt  Zorra   Oct-09-11 04:00 PM   #42 
  - KandR. Awesome!  Dystopian   Oct-09-11 04:05 PM   #43 
  - In some cities  tooeyeten   Oct-09-11 04:32 PM   #44 
  - Our hack media will give more coverage to  The Wizard   Oct-09-11 04:36 PM   #46 
  - Yes, yes they are  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-09-11 05:10 PM   #48 
  - The Ghandi attribution:  Hissyspit   Oct-09-11 06:48 PM   #55 
  - They should be but they don't recognize who they are.  MichiganVote   Oct-09-11 06:54 PM   #56 
  - well said  proud patriot   Oct-09-11 07:03 PM   #57 
  - delete  moondust   Oct-09-11 07:23 PM   #58 
  - Maybe some day I'll be able to have a beer with Will- Until then and ever more, thanks!  callous taoboy   Oct-09-11 07:25 PM   #59 
  - I don't see any fear, sorry.  Doctor_J   Oct-09-11 07:40 PM   #60 
  - Obama's looking into it  Mosaic   Oct-09-11 08:33 PM   #64 
  - Your concern is noted.  WilliamPitt   Oct-09-11 08:58 PM   #66 
     - As is your snarky dismissal  Doctor_J   Oct-09-11 09:17 PM   #67 
        - Oh shit.  WilliamPitt   Oct-09-11 09:25 PM   #68 
  - You left out the line in that handbook that creeped me out the most:  kath   Oct-09-11 07:42 PM   #61 
  - Well of course they should call the police! These are "anti-bank" people!  arcane1   Oct-09-11 11:16 PM   #75 
  - K&R. (nt)  Kurovski   Oct-09-11 08:20 PM   #62 
  - How to destroy a social movement.......  laureloak   Oct-09-11 08:30 PM   #63 
  - that guy's nuts  Doctor_J   Oct-09-11 08:44 PM   #65 
  - "War means fighting and fighting means killing" NB Forrest  Tom Ripley   Oct-09-11 09:31 PM   #69 
  - Quoting the creator of the KKK is a bold move.  WilliamPitt   Oct-09-11 09:35 PM   #70 
     - Sometimes even a blind pig can find an acorn  Tom Ripley   Oct-09-11 09:38 PM   #71 
     - Or not.  WilliamPitt   Oct-09-11 09:39 PM   #72 
        - Will, tell me of a successful revolution (not an evolution of the status quo) that  Tom Ripley   Oct-09-11 09:46 PM   #73 
     - And your history of quoting of southern slaveowner Thomas Jefferson?  Tom Ripley   Oct-10-11 02:05 AM   #78 
  - change the song. "Bank on the run, Bank on the run"  donheld   Oct-09-11 10:14 PM   #74 
  - They aren't scared enough to suit me. nt  Enthusiast   Oct-10-11 01:25 AM   #77 
  - Those are great tips  kimsarah   Oct-10-11 04:04 AM   #79 
  - I'm located right next door to the protests here in Austin...  Javaman   Oct-10-11 08:11 AM   #82 
  - Their utopia is not what it once was.  liberal N proud   Oct-10-11 08:28 AM   #83 
  - Yep, and I see they're sending in the disruptors here, too.  GoCubsGo   Oct-10-11 08:40 AM   #85 
  - This  Chimichurri   Oct-10-11 09:00 AM   #86 
  - There's a difference  customerserviceguy   Oct-10-11 09:34 AM   #87 
  - I want to know what happens between "They fight you" and "Then you win"  Matariki   Oct-10-11 01:07 PM   #89 
  - Mitt Romney, Eric Cantor ARE the Mob.  Dont call me Shirley   Oct-10-11 03:53 PM   #90 
 

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