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| 89. First this country is not totally Capitalism get that straight and |
| -If capitalism sucks, what do we replace it with? |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 11:55 AM |
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I love the bartering system. |
Lucian |
Oct-08-11 11:57 AM |
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Too true - Egypt built an empire without coinage, which came with Alexander - they bartered for |
Hestia |
Oct-08-11 12:09 PM |
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You and Sharron Angle... |
brooklynite |
Oct-08-11 12:14 PM |
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And pioneers in the "Old West" and "hippies" from the 60s...and, gee, I bet |
Cerridwen |
Oct-08-11 12:58 PM |
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Why the hell would you associate me with her? |
Lucian |
Oct-08-11 01:26 PM |
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You've forgotten her "health care for chickens" ides? |
brooklynite |
Oct-10-11 11:43 AM |
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Yes, I was thinking about what I could trade to big pharma for my |
jwirr |
Oct-08-11 01:57 PM |
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Capitalism 2.0 involving heavy regulations and much less tax loopholes |
FarLeftFist |
Oct-08-11 05:37 PM |
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FDR regulated capitalism in order to save it -- they used wealth/violence to overturn it -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 09:10 PM |
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FTR It Was Sue Lowden Who Made That Remark... |
KharmaTrain |
Oct-09-11 03:11 PM |
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That's a type of capitalism, isn't it? If what I have is money... |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-08-11 02:25 PM |
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Very true. |
kentuck |
Oct-09-11 02:11 PM |
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That only works for people with something to trade. |
JanMichael |
Oct-08-11 02:35 PM |
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Any system that meets human needs, not profits n/t |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 11:58 AM |
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Exactly --- and you can't have democracy without economic democracy -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 09:12 PM |
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True dat. n/t |
Dover |
Oct-10-11 06:41 AM |
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Regulated or restrained capitalism appears to more preferable to |
Vinnie From Indy |
Oct-08-11 11:59 AM |
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Bingo. Get money out of politics and capitalism will work fine. n/t |
Scuba |
Oct-08-11 12:05 PM |
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Yep, our problem is we have corrupt tyrannical capitalism today. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:09 PM |
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What does 'good' Capitalism look like? |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 12:11 PM |
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I would say highly regulated capitalism. I would see highly regulated |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:18 PM |
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So it looks something like....this? |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 12:20 PM |
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Yep, if it's necessary to muzzle the evil side, yes. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:25 PM |
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+1000% --- |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 09:16 PM |
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Yep. If only we could find a way to keep human beings (and pit bulls) out of the process |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 12:28 PM |
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It's really a fundamental human problem, isn't it, wherein I will always contend that |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:35 PM |
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The sociopaths will find a way to thrive under any system conceivable |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 12:41 PM |
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Yep, I guess that is the root cause, human nature. Let's see, maybe we need the |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 01:09 PM |
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Blaming greed for capitalism's failure is like blaming gravity for a bridge collapse |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 01:17 PM |
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Yep, Excellent! |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 01:19 PM |
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Yeah, I have that system on the drawing board. The problem is that |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 01:35 PM |
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I guess under the bus? LOL n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 02:06 PM |
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Good one |
Confusious |
Oct-08-11 03:43 PM |
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We take sociopathic criminals out of society every day. |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-08-11 02:11 PM |
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Agree, if we could get them out of the system it would be massively better, they |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 02:20 PM |
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We can do it by using the words 'Wall Street candidate' |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-08-11 02:34 PM |
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Excellent!!! I agree with this very much. IMO I think many Americans often |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 04:19 PM |
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EXACTLY!!!!!! |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-09-11 01:42 PM |
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Thank you BrendaBrick. This movement is big enough to |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-09-11 07:53 PM |
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An excellent idea, Sabrina. Thanks. n/t |
Raksha |
Oct-09-11 01:59 PM |
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Interesting suggestion --- and points to the TWO-SIDED reality of Citizens' United ... |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 09:01 PM |
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All it needs to do is point out the facts. |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-10-11 12:38 AM |
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Think voters have to keep asking politicians -- "Who did you sell yourself to today?" --- |
defendandprotect |
Oct-10-11 09:57 AM |
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Good post. Thanks. |
Scuba |
Oct-08-11 04:54 PM |
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me buying $700 sony PC |
walerosco |
Oct-08-11 09:43 PM |
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Money is in politics *because* of capitalism. |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-08-11 12:15 PM |
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Yep, they aren't going to change, they will |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:23 PM |
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In the short term, all we can do is educate on the nature of the system |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-08-11 12:40 PM |
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Yep, I think similar ... in essence they are really starving themselves. Given the |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:46 PM |
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"They know they can slip that leash anytime they want to." |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-08-11 07:08 PM |
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sometime decent things happen in october. nt. |
JanMichael |
Oct-08-11 06:10 PM |
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Yup. Economic power is political power. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-08-11 12:24 PM |
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+billions. Strictly regulating capitalism is the necessary first step. |
Zorra |
Oct-08-11 12:12 PM |
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yes. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Oct-08-11 12:18 PM |
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+1 |
philly_bob |
Oct-08-11 02:38 PM |
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agreed. which everyone knows, yet still.... nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-10-11 06:47 AM |
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Socialism. |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-08-11 12:00 PM |
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Thanks. |
otherlander |
Oct-09-11 02:17 AM |
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Well, I'm an old-timey Marxist-Leninist, but thank you for reading. :) |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-09-11 02:22 PM |
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A well-regulated economy is one that invests in & meets human needs first, and then spreads rewards |
leveymg |
Oct-08-11 12:04 PM |
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+1, n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:08 PM |
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Engels referred to the Paris Commune as the first the first "dictatorship of the proletariat", |
TBF |
Oct-08-11 12:07 PM |
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Communes?! Hippies?! |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 12:23 PM |
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In my commune we will have soap :) |
TBF |
Oct-08-11 12:27 PM |
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Funny anecdote about Lenin |
RZM |
Oct-08-11 12:56 PM |
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LOL. One thing I'll give both Lenin and Stalin: each had a great |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-08-11 03:15 PM |
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Enough to help demolish the Soviet Empire. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-08-11 03:57 PM |
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They were both nuts, but not nuts enough to... |
gulliver |
Oct-08-11 01:52 PM |
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Nonsense. You may call them "windbag ideas" but I can't name a time he was wrong. nt |
TBF |
Oct-08-11 02:03 PM |
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Selfish implementation of an ideal |
rugger1869 |
Oct-10-11 10:12 AM |
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Are you saying he'd change his description of Capitalism? |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 02:05 PM |
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"old 19th century windbag ideas"??? as compared to "new 21st |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-08-11 03:17 PM |
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Care to point out where they were wrong? |
white_wolf |
Oct-08-11 08:59 PM |
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Keynesianism and neoliberalism |
otherlander |
Oct-09-11 02:26 AM |
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Democratic Socialism works for me.... |
bobthedrummer |
Oct-08-11 12:11 PM |
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If it's good enough for Bernie... |
moondust |
Oct-08-11 01:23 PM |
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That's a start at least...Works in Europe and elsewhere... |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-10-11 07:44 AM |
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Supply side economics is NOT capitalism |
Mr Deltoid |
Oct-08-11 12:12 PM |
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It's laissez-faire capitalism that is bad. But the answer is to replace... |
sfpcjock |
Oct-08-11 12:17 PM |
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Eco-socialism |
wuushew |
Oct-08-11 12:20 PM |
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This is what I was going to post |
Hydra |
Oct-08-11 01:37 PM |
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That was tried. And then Eve had to go and take a bite out |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 01:57 PM |
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That was after Adam got pissed that his first wife wouldn't do missionary |
Hydra |
Oct-08-11 02:08 PM |
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Socialism. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-08-11 12:23 PM |
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I think the focus should be non profit |
Hutzpa |
Oct-08-11 12:24 PM |
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Well said IMO!!! "...problem with capitalism is organized crime, organized crime was allowed to move |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:32 PM |
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Thank you. n/t |
Hutzpa |
Oct-08-11 01:49 PM |
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Perhaps we can start with taking five national security concerns out of private hands |
KansDem |
Oct-08-11 12:25 PM |
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+1 |
katsy |
Oct-08-11 12:34 PM |
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Agree 100%. n/t |
ChazII |
Oct-08-11 01:16 PM |
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well regulated capitalism. |
madrchsod |
Oct-08-11 12:31 PM |
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Democratic Socialism or well-regulated Capitalism, either one's good by me. |
BiggJawn |
Oct-08-11 12:32 PM |
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Wow, this thread is being massively unrecommended! nt |
Zorra |
Oct-08-11 12:34 PM |
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DLC. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:36 PM |
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Of course it's being massively unrec'd. |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 08:49 PM |
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Democratic Socialism, but small-scale, de-centralized. Large State Socialism is no picnic. /nt |
Rabblevox |
Oct-08-11 12:34 PM |
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It's Corporatism that sucks |
SHRED |
Oct-08-11 12:38 PM |
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Capitalism doesn't suck. |
ProgressoDem |
Oct-08-11 12:45 PM |
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thanks I hate when people loose their freakin minds |
democracy1st |
Oct-08-11 12:47 PM |
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There is no capitalism, there is no socialism. There is a mixed economy. |
JHB |
Oct-08-11 12:47 PM |
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That is a great way to put it. |
ProgressoDem |
Oct-08-11 12:53 PM |
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There is no need to re-invent the wheel. |
blindpig |
Oct-08-11 12:52 PM |
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++1++ |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 01:10 PM |
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+1000 |
Hydra |
Oct-08-11 01:42 PM |
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Agree. nt |
TBF |
Oct-08-11 02:12 PM |
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Excellent analysis IMO!!! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 02:13 PM |
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Bingo. |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-08-11 09:59 PM |
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Has to be regulation, imo. |
elleng |
Oct-08-11 12:55 PM |
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Necessities should be socialized, luxuries should be capitalized |
Motown_Johnny |
Oct-08-11 01:01 PM |
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Well that would be a start......... |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-10-11 10:11 AM |
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Switzerland is capitalist. 3% unemployment; universal health care. |
Nye Bevan |
Oct-08-11 01:08 PM |
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Absolutely. Nature is capitalistic. Competitive. What we have is unfair capitalism. |
Gregorian |
Oct-08-11 01:30 PM |
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Their economy is based on money-laundering. |
wickerwoman |
Oct-08-11 02:05 PM |
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Capitalism, with a few socialist programs (like Social Security) as a safety net.... |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-08-11 02:26 PM |
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anarcho-syndicalist commune |
corkhead |
Oct-08-11 01:54 PM |
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We replace it with true democracy |
TheOther95Percent |
Oct-08-11 01:58 PM |
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Study the Scandinavian countries, and |
truedelphi |
Oct-08-11 02:02 PM |
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REAL AND TRUE AMERICANISM |
A wise Man |
Oct-08-11 02:24 PM |
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Oct-08-11 02:27 PM |
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How about "Democracy!" |
jimlup |
Oct-08-11 02:56 PM |
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A tightly-regulated mixed economy would be the best solution IMO |
meow2u3 |
Oct-08-11 03:00 PM |
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First this country is not totally Capitalism get that straight and |
RegieRocker |
Oct-08-11 03:12 PM |
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What is it then? n/t |
Hutzpa |
Oct-08-11 03:21 PM |
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Think hard about the word "totally" and then get back to me. |
RegieRocker |
Oct-08-11 11:13 PM |
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What do you want to call what we're doing then? |
Hydra |
Oct-08-11 03:35 PM |
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There are bits and pieces of a wide spectrum of lables |
RegieRocker |
Oct-08-11 11:14 PM |
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You say "... what do WE replace...." |
Bigmack |
Oct-08-11 03:15 PM |
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How about the capitalist systems of Canada, the UK, France, etc, where executives |
David Sky |
Oct-08-11 03:22 PM |
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Are there any economic systems that don't require ever-increasing levels of growth? |
NickB79 |
Oct-08-11 03:36 PM |
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A balanced regulated economic systems that is mixed between socialism and capitalism. |
TNLib |
Oct-08-11 03:50 PM |
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I would set up a strong government back-stop for banks and other corporations. |
Romulox |
Oct-08-11 05:05 PM |
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A mixed economy seems to be working reasonably well |
War Horse |
Oct-08-11 05:35 PM |
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Free pizza and naked pool parties. |
begin_within |
Oct-08-11 05:40 PM |
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Oct-08-11 06:58 PM |
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David Korten |
Locrian |
Oct-08-11 07:03 PM |
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Yes. "Agenda for a New Economy" |
OneGrassRoot |
Oct-10-11 07:17 AM |
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I'd go for the economic system of the United Federation of Planets in the Star Trek Universe. n/t |
TransitJohn |
Oct-08-11 09:33 PM |
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Never really got that one... |
Cid_B |
Oct-10-11 07:21 AM |
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Something that doesn't suck, obviously. |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-08-11 09:34 PM |
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I would suggest economist Richard Wolff's website... |
truth2power |
Oct-08-11 10:57 PM |
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The politico-economic system in the U.S. is not capitalism. It is a form of corporate feudalism. |
AdHocSolver |
Oct-09-11 02:03 AM |
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Or the working class could strike for a month to |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-09-11 11:55 PM |
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Sex |
Bloke 32 |
Oct-09-11 02:13 AM |
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There are several different kinds of Capitalism. "Pure" Free Market |
johnaries |
Oct-09-11 02:35 AM |
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Democratic socialism |
Mr Deltoid |
Oct-09-11 02:44 AM |
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It's going to be replaced with Chinese-style State Capitalism |
ChillbertKChesterton |
Oct-09-11 01:49 PM |
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Social Democracy with a strong hedge to prevent degrading into socialism. |
Chan790 |
Oct-09-11 01:51 PM |
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What's wrong with what we've already replaced it with? |
yoyossarian |
Oct-09-11 01:51 PM |
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Where the hell all are you people when I post? |
Cats Against Frist |
Oct-09-11 01:57 PM |
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Love your post! |
yoyossarian |
Oct-09-11 02:08 PM |
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K&R your post |
ChazII |
Oct-09-11 02:15 PM |
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Oh please capitalism is riddled with crises and contradictions. |
white_wolf |
Oct-09-11 02:20 PM |
#135 |
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wow, you're not awesome at all |
BOG PERSON |
Oct-09-11 02:25 PM |
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What are you, then? n/t |
Cats Against Frist |
Oct-09-11 02:59 PM |
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i'm definitely a little better than you |
BOG PERSON |
Oct-09-11 03:08 PM |
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new-feudalism |
BOG PERSON |
Oct-09-11 02:00 PM |
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great thread (not the OP), several enlightening posts! this is why i love DU :) |
inna |
Oct-09-11 02:39 PM |
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I don't think the economic system matters as much as a healthy democracy. |
rucky |
Oct-09-11 08:02 PM |
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That's completely backwards. |
blindpig |
Oct-10-11 06:49 AM |
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First, agreement on what "capitalism" means |
Terry in Austin |
Oct-09-11 08:34 PM |
#144 |
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Naw, that's money as a commodity. |
blindpig |
Oct-10-11 07:01 AM |
#159 |
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Even though we're basically on the same page here |
Terry in Austin |
Oct-10-11 09:32 AM |
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Here's a better way to go about this than arguing about capitalism vs socialism |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-10-11 12:12 AM |
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Capitalism is like a gun. |
Rex |
Oct-10-11 12:45 AM |
#152 |
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Not quite an apt analogy |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-10-11 10:08 AM |
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Tupperware |
Safetykitten |
Oct-10-11 12:45 AM |
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socialism is also based on unit labor... there has to be a complete |
JCMach1 |
Oct-10-11 01:57 AM |
#154 |
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It's all tied into how and what we value. And our values are changing in a big way. |
Dover |
Oct-10-11 02:31 AM |
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It's all tied into how and what we value. And our values are changing in a big way. |
Dover |
Oct-10-11 02:31 AM |
#155 |
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Capitalism DOES NOT suck, whereas, concentrated, unregulated capitalism REEKS and BLOWS |
L. Coyote |
Oct-10-11 07:54 AM |
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I was still a teenager many years ago when I lived in Europe and first saw a workable model |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-10-11 10:12 AM |
#168 |
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"Let's say that we had the power to dismantle it" |
kctim |
Oct-10-11 10:34 AM |
#170 |
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