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Sat Oct-08-11 12:41 PM
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| 41. The sociopaths will find a way to thrive under any system conceivable |
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So I guess what I just said is that it's the sociapaths that are the problem, not the system.
I think I just answered the question I set forth in my OP. All we have to do is get human nature out of the mix and humanity will do just fine.
Ouch. That concept hurts my head and my ability to reason. Nonetheless ...
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| -If capitalism sucks, what do we replace it with? |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 11:55 AM |
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I love the bartering system. |
Lucian |
Oct-08-11 11:57 AM |
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Too true - Egypt built an empire without coinage, which came with Alexander - they bartered for |
Hestia |
Oct-08-11 12:09 PM |
#9 |
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You and Sharron Angle... |
brooklynite |
Oct-08-11 12:14 PM |
#15 |
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And pioneers in the "Old West" and "hippies" from the 60s...and, gee, I bet |
Cerridwen |
Oct-08-11 12:58 PM |
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Why the hell would you associate me with her? |
Lucian |
Oct-08-11 01:26 PM |
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You've forgotten her "health care for chickens" ides? |
brooklynite |
Oct-10-11 11:43 AM |
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Yes, I was thinking about what I could trade to big pharma for my |
jwirr |
Oct-08-11 01:57 PM |
#68 |
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Capitalism 2.0 involving heavy regulations and much less tax loopholes |
FarLeftFist |
Oct-08-11 05:37 PM |
#104 |
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FDR regulated capitalism in order to save it -- they used wealth/violence to overturn it -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 09:10 PM |
#146 |
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FTR It Was Sue Lowden Who Made That Remark... |
KharmaTrain |
Oct-09-11 03:11 PM |
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That's a type of capitalism, isn't it? If what I have is money... |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-08-11 02:25 PM |
#81 |
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Very true. |
kentuck |
Oct-09-11 02:11 PM |
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That only works for people with something to trade. |
JanMichael |
Oct-08-11 02:35 PM |
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Any system that meets human needs, not profits n/t |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 11:58 AM |
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Exactly --- and you can't have democracy without economic democracy -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 09:12 PM |
#147 |
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True dat. n/t |
Dover |
Oct-10-11 06:41 AM |
#156 |
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Regulated or restrained capitalism appears to more preferable to |
Vinnie From Indy |
Oct-08-11 11:59 AM |
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Bingo. Get money out of politics and capitalism will work fine. n/t |
Scuba |
Oct-08-11 12:05 PM |
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Yep, our problem is we have corrupt tyrannical capitalism today. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:09 PM |
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What does 'good' Capitalism look like? |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 12:11 PM |
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I would say highly regulated capitalism. I would see highly regulated |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:18 PM |
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So it looks something like....this? |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 12:20 PM |
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Yep, if it's necessary to muzzle the evil side, yes. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:25 PM |
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+1000% --- |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 09:16 PM |
#148 |
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Yep. If only we could find a way to keep human beings (and pit bulls) out of the process |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 12:28 PM |
#30 |
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It's really a fundamental human problem, isn't it, wherein I will always contend that |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:35 PM |
#37 |
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The sociopaths will find a way to thrive under any system conceivable |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 12:41 PM |
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Yep, I guess that is the root cause, human nature. Let's see, maybe we need the |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 01:09 PM |
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Blaming greed for capitalism's failure is like blaming gravity for a bridge collapse |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 01:17 PM |
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Yep, Excellent! |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 01:19 PM |
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Yeah, I have that system on the drawing board. The problem is that |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 01:35 PM |
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I guess under the bus? LOL n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 02:06 PM |
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Good one |
Confusious |
Oct-08-11 03:43 PM |
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We take sociopathic criminals out of society every day. |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-08-11 02:11 PM |
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Agree, if we could get them out of the system it would be massively better, they |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 02:20 PM |
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We can do it by using the words 'Wall Street candidate' |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-08-11 02:34 PM |
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Excellent!!! I agree with this very much. IMO I think many Americans often |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 04:19 PM |
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EXACTLY!!!!!! |
BrendaBrick |
Oct-09-11 01:42 PM |
#125 |
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Thank you BrendaBrick. This movement is big enough to |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-09-11 07:53 PM |
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An excellent idea, Sabrina. Thanks. n/t |
Raksha |
Oct-09-11 01:59 PM |
#130 |
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Interesting suggestion --- and points to the TWO-SIDED reality of Citizens' United ... |
defendandprotect |
Oct-09-11 09:01 PM |
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All it needs to do is point out the facts. |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-10-11 12:38 AM |
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Think voters have to keep asking politicians -- "Who did you sell yourself to today?" --- |
defendandprotect |
Oct-10-11 09:57 AM |
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Good post. Thanks. |
Scuba |
Oct-08-11 04:54 PM |
#101 |
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me buying $700 sony PC |
walerosco |
Oct-08-11 09:43 PM |
#114 |
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Money is in politics *because* of capitalism. |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-08-11 12:15 PM |
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Yep, they aren't going to change, they will |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:23 PM |
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In the short term, all we can do is educate on the nature of the system |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-08-11 12:40 PM |
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Yep, I think similar ... in essence they are really starving themselves. Given the |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:46 PM |
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"They know they can slip that leash anytime they want to." |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-08-11 07:08 PM |
#109 |
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sometime decent things happen in october. nt. |
JanMichael |
Oct-08-11 06:10 PM |
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Yup. Economic power is political power. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-08-11 12:24 PM |
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+billions. Strictly regulating capitalism is the necessary first step. |
Zorra |
Oct-08-11 12:12 PM |
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yes. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Oct-08-11 12:18 PM |
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+1 |
philly_bob |
Oct-08-11 02:38 PM |
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agreed. which everyone knows, yet still.... nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-10-11 06:47 AM |
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Socialism. |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-08-11 12:00 PM |
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Thanks. |
otherlander |
Oct-09-11 02:17 AM |
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Well, I'm an old-timey Marxist-Leninist, but thank you for reading. :) |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-09-11 02:22 PM |
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A well-regulated economy is one that invests in & meets human needs first, and then spreads rewards |
leveymg |
Oct-08-11 12:04 PM |
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+1, n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:08 PM |
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Engels referred to the Paris Commune as the first the first "dictatorship of the proletariat", |
TBF |
Oct-08-11 12:07 PM |
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Communes?! Hippies?! |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 12:23 PM |
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In my commune we will have soap :) |
TBF |
Oct-08-11 12:27 PM |
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Funny anecdote about Lenin |
RZM |
Oct-08-11 12:56 PM |
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LOL. One thing I'll give both Lenin and Stalin: each had a great |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-08-11 03:15 PM |
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Enough to help demolish the Soviet Empire. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-08-11 03:57 PM |
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They were both nuts, but not nuts enough to... |
gulliver |
Oct-08-11 01:52 PM |
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Nonsense. You may call them "windbag ideas" but I can't name a time he was wrong. nt |
TBF |
Oct-08-11 02:03 PM |
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Selfish implementation of an ideal |
rugger1869 |
Oct-10-11 10:12 AM |
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Are you saying he'd change his description of Capitalism? |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 02:05 PM |
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"old 19th century windbag ideas"??? as compared to "new 21st |
coalition_unwilling |
Oct-08-11 03:17 PM |
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Care to point out where they were wrong? |
white_wolf |
Oct-08-11 08:59 PM |
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Keynesianism and neoliberalism |
otherlander |
Oct-09-11 02:26 AM |
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Democratic Socialism works for me.... |
bobthedrummer |
Oct-08-11 12:11 PM |
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If it's good enough for Bernie... |
moondust |
Oct-08-11 01:23 PM |
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That's a start at least...Works in Europe and elsewhere... |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-10-11 07:44 AM |
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Supply side economics is NOT capitalism |
Mr Deltoid |
Oct-08-11 12:12 PM |
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It's laissez-faire capitalism that is bad. But the answer is to replace... |
sfpcjock |
Oct-08-11 12:17 PM |
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Eco-socialism |
wuushew |
Oct-08-11 12:20 PM |
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This is what I was going to post |
Hydra |
Oct-08-11 01:37 PM |
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That was tried. And then Eve had to go and take a bite out |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 01:57 PM |
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That was after Adam got pissed that his first wife wouldn't do missionary |
Hydra |
Oct-08-11 02:08 PM |
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Socialism. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-08-11 12:23 PM |
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I think the focus should be non profit |
Hutzpa |
Oct-08-11 12:24 PM |
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Well said IMO!!! "...problem with capitalism is organized crime, organized crime was allowed to move |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:32 PM |
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Thank you. n/t |
Hutzpa |
Oct-08-11 01:49 PM |
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Perhaps we can start with taking five national security concerns out of private hands |
KansDem |
Oct-08-11 12:25 PM |
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+1 |
katsy |
Oct-08-11 12:34 PM |
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Agree 100%. n/t |
ChazII |
Oct-08-11 01:16 PM |
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well regulated capitalism. |
madrchsod |
Oct-08-11 12:31 PM |
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Democratic Socialism or well-regulated Capitalism, either one's good by me. |
BiggJawn |
Oct-08-11 12:32 PM |
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Wow, this thread is being massively unrecommended! nt |
Zorra |
Oct-08-11 12:34 PM |
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DLC. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 12:36 PM |
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Of course it's being massively unrec'd. |
Cyrano |
Oct-08-11 08:49 PM |
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Democratic Socialism, but small-scale, de-centralized. Large State Socialism is no picnic. /nt |
Rabblevox |
Oct-08-11 12:34 PM |
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It's Corporatism that sucks |
SHRED |
Oct-08-11 12:38 PM |
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Capitalism doesn't suck. |
ProgressoDem |
Oct-08-11 12:45 PM |
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thanks I hate when people loose their freakin minds |
democracy1st |
Oct-08-11 12:47 PM |
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There is no capitalism, there is no socialism. There is a mixed economy. |
JHB |
Oct-08-11 12:47 PM |
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That is a great way to put it. |
ProgressoDem |
Oct-08-11 12:53 PM |
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There is no need to re-invent the wheel. |
blindpig |
Oct-08-11 12:52 PM |
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++1++ |
leftstreet |
Oct-08-11 01:10 PM |
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+1000 |
Hydra |
Oct-08-11 01:42 PM |
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Agree. nt |
TBF |
Oct-08-11 02:12 PM |
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Excellent analysis IMO!!! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-08-11 02:13 PM |
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Bingo. |
Starry Messenger |
Oct-08-11 09:59 PM |
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Has to be regulation, imo. |
elleng |
Oct-08-11 12:55 PM |
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Necessities should be socialized, luxuries should be capitalized |
Motown_Johnny |
Oct-08-11 01:01 PM |
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Well that would be a start......... |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-10-11 10:11 AM |
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Switzerland is capitalist. 3% unemployment; universal health care. |
Nye Bevan |
Oct-08-11 01:08 PM |
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Absolutely. Nature is capitalistic. Competitive. What we have is unfair capitalism. |
Gregorian |
Oct-08-11 01:30 PM |
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Their economy is based on money-laundering. |
wickerwoman |
Oct-08-11 02:05 PM |
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Capitalism, with a few socialist programs (like Social Security) as a safety net.... |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-08-11 02:26 PM |
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anarcho-syndicalist commune |
corkhead |
Oct-08-11 01:54 PM |
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We replace it with true democracy |
TheOther95Percent |
Oct-08-11 01:58 PM |
#69 |
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Study the Scandinavian countries, and |
truedelphi |
Oct-08-11 02:02 PM |
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REAL AND TRUE AMERICANISM |
A wise Man |
Oct-08-11 02:24 PM |
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Oct-08-11 02:27 PM |
#83 |
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How about "Democracy!" |
jimlup |
Oct-08-11 02:56 PM |
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A tightly-regulated mixed economy would be the best solution IMO |
meow2u3 |
Oct-08-11 03:00 PM |
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First this country is not totally Capitalism get that straight and |
RegieRocker |
Oct-08-11 03:12 PM |
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What is it then? n/t |
Hutzpa |
Oct-08-11 03:21 PM |
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Think hard about the word "totally" and then get back to me. |
RegieRocker |
Oct-08-11 11:13 PM |
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What do you want to call what we're doing then? |
Hydra |
Oct-08-11 03:35 PM |
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There are bits and pieces of a wide spectrum of lables |
RegieRocker |
Oct-08-11 11:14 PM |
#118 |
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You say "... what do WE replace...." |
Bigmack |
Oct-08-11 03:15 PM |
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How about the capitalist systems of Canada, the UK, France, etc, where executives |
David Sky |
Oct-08-11 03:22 PM |
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Are there any economic systems that don't require ever-increasing levels of growth? |
NickB79 |
Oct-08-11 03:36 PM |
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A balanced regulated economic systems that is mixed between socialism and capitalism. |
TNLib |
Oct-08-11 03:50 PM |
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I would set up a strong government back-stop for banks and other corporations. |
Romulox |
Oct-08-11 05:05 PM |
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A mixed economy seems to be working reasonably well |
War Horse |
Oct-08-11 05:35 PM |
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Free pizza and naked pool parties. |
begin_within |
Oct-08-11 05:40 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Oct-08-11 06:58 PM |
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David Korten |
Locrian |
Oct-08-11 07:03 PM |
#108 |
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Yes. "Agenda for a New Economy" |
OneGrassRoot |
Oct-10-11 07:17 AM |
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I'd go for the economic system of the United Federation of Planets in the Star Trek Universe. n/t |
TransitJohn |
Oct-08-11 09:33 PM |
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Never really got that one... |
Cid_B |
Oct-10-11 07:21 AM |
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Something that doesn't suck, obviously. |
Zanzoobar |
Oct-08-11 09:34 PM |
#113 |
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I would suggest economist Richard Wolff's website... |
truth2power |
Oct-08-11 10:57 PM |
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The politico-economic system in the U.S. is not capitalism. It is a form of corporate feudalism. |
AdHocSolver |
Oct-09-11 02:03 AM |
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Or the working class could strike for a month to |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-09-11 11:55 PM |
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Sex |
Bloke 32 |
Oct-09-11 02:13 AM |
#120 |
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There are several different kinds of Capitalism. "Pure" Free Market |
johnaries |
Oct-09-11 02:35 AM |
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Democratic socialism |
Mr Deltoid |
Oct-09-11 02:44 AM |
#124 |
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It's going to be replaced with Chinese-style State Capitalism |
ChillbertKChesterton |
Oct-09-11 01:49 PM |
#126 |
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Social Democracy with a strong hedge to prevent degrading into socialism. |
Chan790 |
Oct-09-11 01:51 PM |
#127 |
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What's wrong with what we've already replaced it with? |
yoyossarian |
Oct-09-11 01:51 PM |
#128 |
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Where the hell all are you people when I post? |
Cats Against Frist |
Oct-09-11 01:57 PM |
#129 |
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Love your post! |
yoyossarian |
Oct-09-11 02:08 PM |
#132 |
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K&R your post |
ChazII |
Oct-09-11 02:15 PM |
#134 |
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Oh please capitalism is riddled with crises and contradictions. |
white_wolf |
Oct-09-11 02:20 PM |
#135 |
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wow, you're not awesome at all |
BOG PERSON |
Oct-09-11 02:25 PM |
#137 |
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What are you, then? n/t |
Cats Against Frist |
Oct-09-11 02:59 PM |
#139 |
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i'm definitely a little better than you |
BOG PERSON |
Oct-09-11 03:08 PM |
#140 |
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new-feudalism |
BOG PERSON |
Oct-09-11 02:00 PM |
#131 |
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great thread (not the OP), several enlightening posts! this is why i love DU :) |
inna |
Oct-09-11 02:39 PM |
#138 |
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I don't think the economic system matters as much as a healthy democracy. |
rucky |
Oct-09-11 08:02 PM |
#143 |
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That's completely backwards. |
blindpig |
Oct-10-11 06:49 AM |
#158 |
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First, agreement on what "capitalism" means |
Terry in Austin |
Oct-09-11 08:34 PM |
#144 |
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Naw, that's money as a commodity. |
blindpig |
Oct-10-11 07:01 AM |
#159 |
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Even though we're basically on the same page here |
Terry in Austin |
Oct-10-11 09:32 AM |
#164 |
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Here's a better way to go about this than arguing about capitalism vs socialism |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-10-11 12:12 AM |
#150 |
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Capitalism is like a gun. |
Rex |
Oct-10-11 12:45 AM |
#152 |
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Not quite an apt analogy |
socialist_n_TN |
Oct-10-11 10:08 AM |
#166 |
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Tupperware |
Safetykitten |
Oct-10-11 12:45 AM |
#153 |
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socialism is also based on unit labor... there has to be a complete |
JCMach1 |
Oct-10-11 01:57 AM |
#154 |
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It's all tied into how and what we value. And our values are changing in a big way. |
Dover |
Oct-10-11 02:31 AM |
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It's all tied into how and what we value. And our values are changing in a big way. |
Dover |
Oct-10-11 02:31 AM |
#155 |
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Capitalism DOES NOT suck, whereas, concentrated, unregulated capitalism REEKS and BLOWS |
L. Coyote |
Oct-10-11 07:54 AM |
#163 |
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I was still a teenager many years ago when I lived in Europe and first saw a workable model |
Douglas Carpenter |
Oct-10-11 10:12 AM |
#168 |
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"Let's say that we had the power to dismantle it" |
kctim |
Oct-10-11 10:34 AM |
#170 |
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