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155. Are you joking?? Have you ever seen one of those standardized tests? I have, in PA. IT IS A FARCE.
I speak from complete knowledge.
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  -CA high schools give students color-coded IDs based on test scores. madfloridian  Oct-08-11 12:18 AM   #0 
  - What a way to publicly embarrass students.  sakabatou   Oct-08-11 12:19 AM   #1 
  - It really is.  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 12:22 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-08-11 02:11 AM   #14 
  - segregation AND a caste system! who runs that school? the BFEE?  elehhhhna   Oct-08-11 11:21 AM   #69 
  - Yes  Sportsguy   Oct-08-11 01:23 PM   #86 
  - WTF?  Starry Messenger   Oct-08-11 12:23 AM   #3 
  - I love this...  Cid_B   Oct-08-11 07:36 AM   #25 
  - What is "awesome" about discriminating against students with learning disabilities?  PA Democrat   Oct-08-11 08:10 AM   #26 
  - While I don't know about your specific case...  Cid_B   Oct-08-11 08:14 AM   #27 
  - Rewarding students is fine. Demeaning those who aren't doing as  polly7   Oct-08-11 09:15 AM   #32 
  - By that logic you can't reward...  Cid_B   Oct-08-11 09:44 AM   #37 
  - Baloney. That's like saying an athlete would give up and stop training  polly7   Oct-08-11 09:47 AM   #38 
  - Except that it doesn't...  Cid_B   Oct-08-11 10:00 AM   #43 
     - Exactly, and just what I stated. People strive to do their best and improve.  polly7   Oct-08-11 10:07 AM   #44 
     - Ah, so you subscribe to the one test is God theory.  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 11:48 AM   #81 
     - Then,  chervilant   Oct-08-11 03:45 PM   #101 
     - Is it part of athletic training to make the "worst-performing" athletes wear an identifier  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 06:43 PM   #139 
  - so were there a law that we must display our credit score on our person  elehhhhna   Oct-08-11 11:25 AM   #74 
  - I hope you aren't in education.  WinkyDink   Oct-09-11 10:01 PM   #156 
  - I agree with polly  B Calm   Oct-08-11 10:23 AM   #47 
  - You think that a child with disabilities hasn't already learned that  PA Democrat   Oct-08-11 10:26 AM   #49 
  - I don't think the entire system should be changed to benefit the very small minority...  Cid_B   Oct-08-11 10:30 AM   #51 
     - "Benefit the very small minority."  PA Democrat   Oct-08-11 10:45 AM   #54 
     - like prison. or an orwellian opus.  elehhhhna   Oct-08-11 11:27 AM   #75 
     - Republican talking point  CreekDog   Oct-08-11 11:42 AM   #79 
     - OMG!!!  chervilant   Oct-08-11 03:50 PM   #103 
     - Actually you are advocating just that. "Top performers" = (by the very nature of the  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 06:48 PM   #141 
     - Not true....  Cid_B   Oct-09-11 10:22 PM   #159 
        - They're standardized tests. If everyone somehow got high marks, they renorm them  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 10:31 PM   #161 
     - Okay, you've outed yourself. Have fun voting for Herman Cain. (Good name, wot?)  WinkyDink   Oct-09-11 10:02 PM   #157 
  - We'll put you in charge of talking down to the disabled students  CreekDog   Oct-08-11 11:35 AM   #78 
  - Yes, indeed,  chervilant   Oct-08-11 03:42 PM   #100 
  - Good students are rewarded with good grades and a chance to  Marnie   Oct-09-11 05:26 PM   #137 
  - It is done in sports and life all the time.  JDPriestly   Oct-08-11 11:18 PM   #117 
     - Athletes wear badges that identify their ability ranking everywhere they go?  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 06:50 PM   #142 
  - shame and punishment  elehhhhna   Oct-08-11 11:23 AM   #72 
  - Oh. You. No surprise.  Hassin Bin Sober   Oct-08-11 01:57 PM   #96 
  - Your thoughts on this are idiotic....and republican.  OwnedByFerrets   Oct-08-11 04:36 PM   #106 
  - Except  rpannier   Oct-08-11 05:35 PM   #107 
  - Maybe illegal... still a good idea...  Cid_B   Oct-09-11 08:43 PM   #152 
  - Be careful what you wish for Cid.  sulphurdunn   Oct-09-11 03:24 PM   #134 
  - Are you joking?? Have you ever seen one of those standardized tests? I have, in PA. IT IS A FARCE.  WinkyDink   Oct-09-11 10:00 PM   #155 
  - +1  LWolf   Oct-08-11 01:33 PM   #88 
  - Which is more wrong?  JDPriestly   Oct-08-11 11:16 PM   #116 
     - Did you omit the sarcasm tag?  Starry Messenger   Oct-08-11 11:52 PM   #118 
        - Team sports are voluntary, but kids have to win a place on the team.  JDPriestly   Oct-09-11 12:51 AM   #119 
           - I teach high school.  Starry Messenger   Oct-09-11 01:18 AM   #120 
              - I don't like the tests. But I don't have a problem with rewarding the  JDPriestly   Oct-09-11 01:29 AM   #121 
                 - You are failing to make the distinction between grades and standardized testing.  Starry Messenger   Oct-09-11 01:33 AM   #122 
                 - That is absolutely SICK. It brought tears to my eyes.  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 06:55 PM   #144 
                 - Having everyone use different colored notebooks & id cards while  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 06:54 PM   #143 
  - There is a lawsuit here.  Dawson Leery   Oct-08-11 12:26 AM   #4 
  - +  struggle4progress   Oct-08-11 01:20 AM   #13 
  - A winnable one.  Doremus   Oct-08-11 10:26 AM   #48 
     - This is NOT even remotely equivalent to a caste system  Drahthaardogs   Oct-08-11 01:32 PM   #87 
        - But in most schools students who excel are given privileges.  xmas74   Oct-08-11 10:39 PM   #114 
           - Did I say that?  Drahthaardogs   Oct-09-11 09:05 AM   #125 
              - You spoke of extending privileges.  xmas74   Oct-09-11 09:08 AM   #126 
                 - They shoulod do more.  Drahthaardogs   Oct-09-11 09:43 AM   #127 
                    - Most schools offer less than a half hour for lunch.  xmas74   Oct-09-11 04:10 PM   #135 
  - The bottom line is that corporations want to demoralize kids  Joe Bacon   Oct-08-11 12:30 AM   #5 
  - Good point.  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 01:00 AM   #7 
  - The phrase you are looking for is...  Feron   Oct-08-11 09:05 PM   #110 
  - I'm reminded of The Wave.  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-08-11 12:56 AM   #6 
  - Wow. Black is good and white is bad.  tblue   Oct-08-11 01:02 AM   #8 
  - the black and gold as status indicators coincidentally represent classes of credit card  elehhhhna   Oct-08-11 11:28 AM   #76 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Oct-08-11 01:03 AM   #9 
  - This guy should be matching paint chips at HomeDepot  EFerrari   Oct-08-11 01:07 AM   #10 
  - Another reason to bully these young people!  DocMac   Oct-08-11 01:12 AM   #11 
  - Hmmm. I wonder, is this an inclusive school, that has mentally handicapped students mainstreamed  MADem   Oct-08-11 01:16 AM   #12 
  - California. nt  Obamanaut   Oct-08-11 02:48 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-08-11 03:16 AM   #16 
  - Oh dear. Is the 'sensitive' setting a bit low? One word subject lines (the state name)  Obamanaut   Oct-08-11 07:34 AM   #24 
  - Orange County's practically another planet. nt  LeftyMom   Oct-08-11 04:43 AM   #18 
  - .  Iggo   Oct-09-11 01:36 AM   #123 
  - We don't want the kids to bully, but  Scottybeamer70   Oct-08-11 04:00 AM   #17 
  - What happened? Did the school misplace its stocks?  KansDem   Oct-08-11 04:47 AM   #19 
  - Highly illegal. My principal told us not to even put star charts  callous taoboy   Oct-08-11 05:48 AM   #20 
  - That is correct.  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 04:29 PM   #104 
  - Lol... So dumb...  chillspike   Oct-08-11 05:56 AM   #21 
  - Oh great. One more things for bullies to beat up nerds to take from them.  WonderGrunion   Oct-08-11 06:17 AM   #22 
  - I had the second highest test scores in my high school...  hunter   Oct-08-11 10:42 AM   #53 
  - Reminds me of the brown eyes/blue eyes experiment in 1968 by  no_hypocrisy   Oct-08-11 06:43 AM   #23 
  - I remember that experiment.....very telling. Found the transcript.  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 12:55 PM   #85 
  - that's what immediately thought of too  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 09:54 PM   #153 
  - If I was a student, I would try to figure out how to color my ID red or green or purple  rurallib   Oct-08-11 08:40 AM   #28 
  - That works. Me, I'd just make black IDs for everybody.  saras   Oct-08-11 02:34 PM   #98 
  - Well, isn't that nice. Now you ARE your test score.  woo me with science   Oct-08-11 08:43 AM   #29 
  - Redundant -- the kids already know who's smart and who's stupid  FarCenter   Oct-08-11 09:04 AM   #31 
     - And how nice to be put in the "stupid" category  woo me with science   Oct-08-11 09:25 AM   #33 
     - But without the program being smart only opens you up to bullying, not privileges  JVS   Oct-08-11 11:29 AM   #77 
  - Now the are helping the bullies. FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!  Odin2005   Oct-08-11 08:55 AM   #30 
  - This is plainly illegal. It is as if a teacher posts grades publically!  L. Coyote   Oct-08-11 09:30 AM   #34 
  - Results from the California Standard Tests are not grades, but you are probably correct  slackmaster   Oct-08-11 09:52 AM   #40 
  - That's kind of splitting hairs, isn't it? (nt)  Posteritatis   Oct-08-11 10:28 AM   #50 
     - Not really  slackmaster   Oct-09-11 12:31 PM   #132 
  - You can get around such rules.  JVS   Oct-08-11 11:54 AM   #82 
     - Honor roll is students who make high GPA: usually 3.0, 3.5. 4.0.  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 07:07 PM   #145 
        - That depends on how you're tracking. I took the top level courses, mostly AP by my junior year.  JVS   Oct-09-11 10:16 PM   #158 
           - In the subculture of high achievers, as you say. Fact remains, it's a subculture. Not the majority.  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 10:29 PM   #160 
  - Have they considered making them wear colored patches on their clothes? n/a  DefenseLawyer   Oct-08-11 09:36 AM   #35 
  - Stars are a nice shape & the symbolism fits.  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 07:08 PM   #146 
  - I'm torn  blueamy66   Oct-08-11 09:44 AM   #36 
  - Why did you work hard for good grades?  DefenseLawyer   Oct-08-11 09:47 AM   #39 
  - Actually, so that I could make my parents proud and get a  blueamy66   Oct-08-11 10:55 AM   #55 
  - And I'm guessing you didn't go around telling people with lower test scores how stupid they were.  DefenseLawyer   Oct-08-11 11:00 AM   #58 
     - whatever  blueamy66   Oct-08-11 11:08 AM   #63 
  - Why does anyone do anything?  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-08-11 01:40 PM   #91 
  - No, you do not need more info.  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 10:08 AM   #45 
  - why?  blueamy66   Oct-08-11 10:56 AM   #56 
     - There are always special needs kids in the public schools.  Starry Messenger   Oct-08-11 11:04 AM   #59 
     - I understand what you're saying.....  blueamy66   Oct-08-11 11:08 AM   #64 
     - There are special needs students in every school. Inclusion is the LAW.  PA Democrat   Oct-08-11 11:04 AM   #60 
        - I understand.  blueamy66   Oct-08-11 11:10 AM   #65 
        - "As a grad of a Catholic high school, I never saw a special needs child."  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 12:41 PM   #84 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-08-11 02:00 PM   #97 
        - Because Catholic schools didn't use to be funded by federal dollars & didn't have to  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 07:12 PM   #147 
           - Good post. Now many get public money as charter schools.  madfloridian   Oct-09-11 07:46 PM   #151 
        - not in my Catholic school  blueamy66   Oct-08-11 11:15 AM   #67 
        - Your Catholic school was a PRIVATE school. As such it's irrelevant to this discussion.  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 07:13 PM   #148 
        - For every kid who has a legitimate learning disability  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-08-11 01:57 PM   #95 
  - There are many ways to recognize achievement  LWolf   Oct-08-11 01:38 PM   #90 
  - It's not even based on grades.  xmas74   Oct-08-11 10:51 PM   #115 
  - The net impact of this could well be that students carrying the  DebJ   Oct-08-11 09:54 AM   #41 
  - My recollection is that the "gold card" kids bullied both the top and the bottom  FarCenter   Oct-08-11 09:56 AM   #42 
  - The color hierarchy of American Express..  radhika   Oct-08-11 10:11 AM   #46 
  - wow. that is orwellian -- it can't be by chance that they adopted the same colors.  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 07:14 PM   #149 
  - "privileges that are of a public nature, such as faster lunch lines, will no longer be in place."  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 10:41 AM   #52 
  - some posters here will be disappointed by these changes  CreekDog   Oct-08-11 11:45 AM   #80 
  - Often this forum is not teacher friendly nor student friendly..  madfloridian   Oct-08-11 12:40 PM   #83 
     - the poster that you and others are arguing with doesn't think we should do anything about bullying  CreekDog   Oct-08-11 01:43 PM   #92 
  - Suggests they'll try subtler methods of segregating the students instead. (nt)  Posteritatis   Oct-08-11 04:35 PM   # 
  - At my high school, the black card kids would have been bullied  varelse   Oct-08-11 10:57 AM   #57 
  - This is wrong in so many ways. That Principal needs another job.  JBoy   Oct-08-11 11:04 AM   #61 
  - Do they pay a licensing fee to Norte Dame University?  BiggJawn   Oct-08-11 11:04 AM   #62 
  - The cease and desist letter is on its way from South Bend n/t  DefenseLawyer   Oct-08-11 11:15 AM   #68 
  - I'm not sure you can trademark an ethnic stereotype  JVS   Oct-08-11 11:23 AM   #71 
     - Absolutely.  Ikonoklast   Oct-08-11 01:53 PM   #94 
  - If i was a parent of a child at that school I.would take their Id from them  Bjorn Against   Oct-08-11 11:10 AM   #66 
  - Awesome!  JVS   Oct-08-11 11:21 AM   #70 
  - I like being a Delta.  GliderGuider   Oct-08-11 11:24 AM   #73 
  - What an outrage! Oh, btw, here's your letterman's jacket, sweetie. I'm so proud of you!  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-08-11 01:33 PM   #89 
  - Time for someone in school to make a killing by making and selling ID and Planner  1monster   Oct-08-11 01:44 PM   #93 
  - this is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard of  Liberal_in_LA   Oct-08-11 02:35 PM   #99 
  - As India makes energetic attempts to throw off her Cast system, the USA...  David Sky   Oct-08-11 03:45 PM   #102 
  - This is fucking bad, now matter how you spin it.  OwnedByFerrets   Oct-08-11 04:35 PM   #105 
  - We must not allow the Morlocks to mingle with the Eloi. nt  eppur_se_muova   Oct-08-11 05:36 PM   #108 
  - This is like basic training in the early 1980s...  jmowreader   Oct-08-11 08:48 PM   #109 
  - This school can expect to be told "cease and desist" using THAT Fighting Irish logo  Vinnie From Indy   Oct-08-11 09:16 PM   #111 
  - More "Leave No Child Behind" insanities?  defendandprotect   Oct-08-11 10:27 PM   #112 
  - It doesn't get any scummier. n/t  Pithlet   Oct-08-11 10:27 PM   #113 
  - With the advent of color copiers, scanners, & photo-editing software...  KansDem   Oct-09-11 06:39 AM   #124 
  - I remember trying out for the basketball team when I was in high school.  Buns_of_Fire   Oct-09-11 09:50 AM   #128 
  - + a million  Starry Messenger   Oct-09-11 09:56 AM   #129 
  - Wish I could rec this one.  Pithlet   Oct-09-11 10:26 AM   #131 
  - Clear violation of many provisions of FERPA  Blecht   Oct-09-11 10:03 AM   #130 
  - Shaming the students is meaningless compared to HELPING them  alp227   Oct-09-11 01:38 PM   #133 
  - School districts usually have privacy policies covering their  Marnie   Oct-09-11 05:25 PM   #136 
  - I was shocked to read this. It's an invitation to the kind of thing that happened  EdMaven   Oct-09-11 06:38 PM   #138 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-09-11 06:47 PM   #140 
  - How is this NOT a FERPA violation? n/t  Goblinmonger   Oct-09-11 07:42 PM   #150 
  - Tax-payers should demand to see the college transcripts of their school administrators.  WinkyDink   Oct-09-11 09:57 PM   #154 

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