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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 09:20 AM
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Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'
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Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 09:21 AM by nomb
From Reuters:


"There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/05/us-cia-killli...

This is just here for informational purposes. This is one area where I could give a rat's-ass about "opinions".

There is no grey area here, you either get it or you don't.
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  -Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list' nomb  Oct-06-11 09:20 AM   #0 
  - The only difference between the US and a banana republic was the death squads.  Speck Tater   Oct-06-11 09:35 AM   #1 
  - The only difference between the US and the banana republic was the U.S. death squads there, not here  L. Coyote   Oct-06-11 09:37 AM   #2 
     - It's unknown if the Kill Orders are limited to outside the lower 48 or are on sight. n't  nomb   Oct-06-11 10:25 AM   #4 
     - This is so important for people to understand  Capitalocracy   Oct-06-11 01:51 PM   #22 
        - Pinochet also ,only ordered citizens killed if they were  Vanje   Oct-06-11 04:29 PM   #38 
        - Our government is claiming it has the right to globalize the Salvador Option.  EFerrari   Oct-06-11 09:15 PM   #53 
  - "several current and former officials said" sounds like a leak to cover the killer's ass!  L. Coyote   Oct-06-11 09:42 AM   #3 
  - So we're back to the Star Chamber  gratuitous   Oct-06-11 10:29 AM   #5 
  - I suppose someone will defend this as an Article II prerogative.  ThomWV   Oct-06-11 10:30 AM   #6 
  - The lack of indignation here is frightening. I guess the tool is only evil in the "wrong" hands.  nomb   Oct-06-11 10:58 AM   #7 
     - or the cult of personality  Supersedeas   Oct-06-11 11:10 AM   #9 
     - Well, I'm pretty indignant  nichomachus   Oct-06-11 11:17 AM   #11 
  - The tool is in the wrong hands  Angry Dragon   Oct-06-11 11:08 AM   #8 
  - To quote Nietzsche:  white_wolf   Oct-06-11 11:14 AM   #10 
  - I was right and the people poo-pooing the Awlaqi killing need to apologize.  Odin2005   Oct-06-11 11:34 AM   #12 
  - Every Confederate Soldier Killed at Gettysburg was an Extra-Judicial Killing  vminfla   Oct-06-11 12:00 PM   #13 
  - Hey, maybe they can shoot some more peoples enemies? No rules, no record, imagine the possibilities.  nomb   Oct-06-11 12:25 PM   #14 
  - Slippery slope argument  vminfla   Oct-06-11 12:30 PM   #15 
     - The executive branch is ordering death by name in secret for US citizens.  nomb   Oct-06-11 12:34 PM   #17 
     - WTF!?  Vanje   Oct-06-11 04:33 PM   #40 
  - I'm sorry, but I wasn't aware that Congress has declared war  me b zola   Oct-06-11 12:31 PM   #16 
  - There was nothing secret about Gettysburg, the Confederates were an armed, imminent threat and they  Uncle Joe   Oct-06-11 01:19 PM   #20 
  - So immediacy is the variable?  vminfla   Oct-06-11 01:40 PM   #21 
     - Immediacy is just one issue, why did you ignore the others I listed?  Uncle Joe   Oct-06-11 02:04 PM   #23 
        - The other variables you cited were not germaine  vminfla   Oct-06-11 02:27 PM   #26 
           - He never renounced his citizenship, and what evidence do you have that he was armed  Uncle Joe   Oct-06-11 02:38 PM   #27 
  - Nonsense on stilts and steroids.  hifiguy   Oct-06-11 03:17 PM   #30 
  - So, just like Al Qaeda  vminfla   Oct-06-11 03:55 PM   #35 
     - What?  hifiguy   Oct-06-11 04:52 PM   #41 
        - Al qaeda declared war on the US in 1998  vminfla   Oct-06-11 08:42 PM   #48 
           - Let's see here Watson; no profile,  hifiguy   Oct-07-11 04:27 PM   #57 
  - Thats the same argument the pro-Pinochet Chileans used.  Vanje   Oct-06-11 04:31 PM   #39 
  - Congress authorized the use of military force  vminfla   Oct-06-11 01:02 PM   #18 
  - And US Citizen writers in Yemen were mentioned where? Alongside "torture is OK"?  nomb   Oct-06-11 02:18 PM   #25 
  - Please rephrase your argument cogently  vminfla   Oct-06-11 03:02 PM   #28 
     - OK, Where is the law that allows us to kill US citizen wordsmiths in Yemen in their beds?  nomb   Oct-06-11 03:19 PM   #31 
        - Damn shame about arrest warrants  vminfla   Oct-06-11 03:37 PM   #32 
           - His death, and unknown others, was decided upon in secret by the NSC using anew legal memo to create  nomb   Oct-06-11 03:47 PM   #33 
              - What secret list? al Awlaki's father sued last year to have his son off the list  vminfla   Oct-06-11 03:54 PM   #34 
                 - The NSC kill-group meets in secret with no public record - we do not know who is on the list or why.  nomb   Oct-06-11 04:05 PM   #36 
                    - The meeting minutes are secret, the "list" is a matter of public record  vminfla   Oct-06-11 04:11 PM   #37 
                       - "the idea that the executive branch can kill its own citizens is unacceptable in a democracy"  nomb   Oct-06-11 06:35 PM   #45 
                          - The idea that one can merely flee prosecution and still engage in terrorism is unacceptable  vminfla   Oct-06-11 08:39 PM   #47 
  - "A nation has a right to defend itself."  Heywood J   Oct-06-11 05:46 PM   #42 
  - Straw man  vminfla   Oct-06-11 08:43 PM   #49 
  - That's pretty much Paul Wolfowitz's argument.  EFerrari   Oct-06-11 08:48 PM   #50 
     - Impeach Obama then  vminfla   Oct-06-11 09:02 PM   #51 
        - What does that even mean to you?  EFerrari   Oct-06-11 09:14 PM   #52 
           - We have a difference of opinion  vminfla   Oct-07-11 06:50 AM   #55 
              - Wrong. Assassination is illegal in the United States and against international law.  EFerrari   Oct-07-11 04:21 PM   #56 
  - Paging Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, and The Terminator.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-06-11 01:12 PM   #19 
  - Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Levin: Release Awlaki Memo  chill_wind   Oct-06-11 02:05 PM   #24 
  - Yeah, that "hope" and "change" is working out so well,  hifiguy   Oct-06-11 03:12 PM   #29 
  - Kick  Zywiec   Oct-06-11 06:08 PM   #43 
  - K&R nt  woo me with science   Oct-06-11 06:16 PM   #44 
  - The AUMF gave us 2 wars, indefinite detention, torture  neverforget   Oct-06-11 06:43 PM   #46 
  - Yikes...  midnight   Oct-07-11 01:05 AM   #54 
 

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