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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:33 PM
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54. You probably don't know this

but only a minority of the guns found at Mexican crimes scenes are traced back to the US civilian market. really, go look it up if you are actually interested in facts.

I didn't compare making guns and drugs, I compared buying them. We have a porous border. We can't keep anything out. Create the need for a certain black market niche and the black market will respond. US history has shown us that.

I won't lie and say that draconian gun control could not prevent some gun crimes, but I don't think it will be as effective here in the US as other places. There are already 300 million guns in circulation, no gun registry (mostly), and porous borders. The only way to get that much gun control would be to repeal the 2nd amendment.

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  -Sparky tells the truth about the gun debate texshelters  Jan-15-11 10:16 AM   #0 
  - I don't think so.. some people will still try to exploit the tragedy  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 10:34 AM   #1 
  - LOL! Proving the point of the cartoon right out of the gate!  Hello_Kitty   Jan-15-11 10:36 AM   #2 
  - You'll never convince a gun fetishist that their gun is their fetish.  PSPS   Jan-15-11 10:41 AM   #3 
     - or convince others that gun magazines aren't eeeeeeeevil.  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 10:47 AM   #6 
     - Who said they are evil  texshelters   Jan-15-11 11:23 AM   #16 
        - At least he said tragedy and not incident.  Rex   Jan-15-11 11:27 AM   #19 
        - Let me ask, do you think 10 rounds is enough if someone with malice breaks into your house?  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 11:27 AM   #20 
           - I just need two ...  spin   Jan-15-11 01:00 PM   #23 
              - not fair if you use OO buck with 9 lead balls (each about 9mm in diameter) per round.  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 03:40 PM   #38 
                 - Fair? If you are in a fair fight you are doing something wrong. (n/t)  spin   Jan-16-11 10:46 AM   #48 
                    - I'm sorry, you misinterpret my joke.  aikoaiko   Jan-16-11 11:44 AM   #49 
                       - You missed my point ...  spin   Jan-16-11 12:16 PM   #50 
                          - Really, I got it. off course the home defenders should have the odds on their side.  aikoaiko   Jan-16-11 12:21 PM   #52 
     - You'll never convince control fetishists...  Straw Man   Jan-16-11 12:16 AM   #44 
  - Again, more paranoia  texshelters   Jan-15-11 11:22 AM   #15 
     - What do you think I'm paranoid about?  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 11:29 AM   #21 
  - God, That's Perfect. Highly Rec'd.  Paladin   Jan-15-11 10:41 AM   #4 
  - You're just sore because you can't get more gun control passed.  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 10:46 AM   #5 
     - a horrific act of gun violence  DrDan   Jan-15-11 10:49 AM   #8 
     - Yes, he used a gun.  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 10:53 AM   #10 
        - If you believe that strict gun laws do not prevent violence, then your sanity needs to be  Exilednight   Jan-16-11 08:07 AM   #47 
           - I think you underestimate how easily criminals will be able to get guns in the US under total bans  aikoaiko   Jan-16-11 12:17 PM   #51 
              - Comparing drugs and guns is like comparing  Exilednight   Jan-16-11 02:37 PM   #53 
                 - You probably don't know this  aikoaiko   Jan-16-11 03:33 PM   #54 
                    - Look up the facts. The majority of guns in Mexico come from  Exilednight   Jan-16-11 03:55 PM   #55 
                       - That is not how I understand it. Successful prosecution is not required to submit gun trace request  aikoaiko   Jan-16-11 06:05 PM   #56 
                          - Then you do not understand it. n/t  Exilednight   Jan-16-11 06:30 PM   #57 
                             - Then show me where any policy or law says that mexican crime guns can't be traced until a successful  aikoaiko   Jan-16-11 07:06 PM   #58 
     - Gun violence  proud2BlibKansan   Jan-15-11 10:51 AM   #9 
     - Yes, he used a gun.  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 10:54 AM   #12 
        - Yep, that would be a start  texshelters   Jan-15-11 11:24 AM   #17 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-15-11 01:07 PM   #24 
  - excellent  DrDan   Jan-15-11 10:48 AM   #7 
  - "No one is going to take your guns away" only helps people who own all the guns they could ever want  Taitertots   Jan-15-11 10:53 AM   #11 
  - laughable? Pretending there is not paranoia over having guns taken away is what is laughable  DrDan   Jan-15-11 11:00 AM   #13 
  - According to who? I've seen the obvious response to a President that calls for assault weapons bans  Taitertots   Jan-15-11 12:29 PM   #22 
  - Yeah really. Nobody wants to take anyones guns away.  beevul   Jan-15-11 05:31 PM   #40 
  - Actually .. I thought it was spot on  Trajan   Jan-15-11 11:19 AM   #14 
  - There is no causation between gun laws and mass murder  Taitertots   Jan-15-11 01:16 PM   #25 
  - please show the reseach that proves there is no causation  DrDan   Jan-15-11 01:39 PM   #27 
     - Kinda like asking people to prove there is no God.  Kaleva   Jan-15-11 02:20 PM   #28 
     - proves my point - thank you  DrDan   Jan-15-11 03:24 PM   #37 
        - Your line of argument suggests that unicorns did indeed or do exist  Kaleva   Jan-15-11 09:05 PM   #42 
           - you are wrong - read the thread  DrDan   Jan-16-11 07:36 AM   #46 
     - It is fallacious thinking for you to think that would be provable  Taitertots   Jan-15-11 02:51 PM   #31 
        - thank you - so you agree that you mistated a lack of causation - thank you  DrDan   Jan-15-11 03:23 PM   #36 
  - But you're completely mistaking the counter-argument  Recursion   Jan-15-11 03:15 PM   #33 
  - Understood ...  Trajan   Jan-15-11 06:24 PM   #41 
  - I wish I could rec individual posts  gaspee   Jan-15-11 04:43 PM   #39 
     - You are so right. The gun-thumpers make  madinmaryland   Jan-16-11 12:38 AM   #45 
  - I would call that comment a paranoid one just like Sparky suggested  texshelters   Jan-15-11 11:27 AM   #18 
  - That is some funny double think you have there  Taitertots   Jan-15-11 01:31 PM   #26 
  - Of course, you delicate flower, you.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jan-15-11 02:29 PM   #29 
  - Rarely save them, but this one is PUUURRRRFFFFEEECCTTT  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-15-11 02:32 PM   #30 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Jan-15-11 03:02 PM   #32 
  - AWESOME! (nt)  fascisthunter   Jan-15-11 03:16 PM   #34 
  - How about just coming down hard on mandatory psych background checks?  NuclearDem   Jan-15-11 03:19 PM   #35 
     - There's a psych check component in there already.  boppers   Jan-15-11 09:17 PM   #43 

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