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Mon Oct-03-11 11:22 AM
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| 44. What gave al Awlaki the right to be judge, juror and the ability to |
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delegate others to be executioners of "Westerners and Americans"?
Many of the supposed fundamental Islamic clerics preach jihad against Westerners. As al Awlaki stated: In a video posted to the internet on November 8, 2010, al-Awlaki called for Muslims around the world to kill Americans “without hesitation”, and overthrow Arab leaders. He said that no fatwa (special clerical ruling) is required to kill Americans: “Don’t consult with anyone in fighting the Americans, fighting the devil doesn’t require consultation or prayers or seeking divine guidance. They are the party of the devils.
Many times al Awlaki called for violence and killings of Americans. In most executions the person calling for the execution (beheading, hanging, electric chair etc.) is not the one doing the killing. Terrorism as well as peace begins in the minds of people. al Awlaki preached to young, vulnerable peeps who were/are susceptible to charismatic leaders. Yet al Awlaki went against the very essence of Islam (which means peace) as he called for the deaths of any Americans. The Qur'an states that only Allah(swt) holds the keys to life and death. Many times the Qur'an states that only Allah(swt) can judge a person. Hence al Awlaki raised himself up to the level of Allah(swt) in judging others in who should live and who should die. He also called Americans devils which condemns them to hell which is another right of Allah(swt) alone. In the most essential/basic of ways al Awlaki committed shirk. They distort Islam not just once but uncountable times. What I'm trying to convey here is that Terrorism is NOT the religion of Islam. Yet the terrorists definitely want their soldiers to think it is. They insist that Islamists' loyalty is with Islam first and foremost. Citizenship of a worldly country is of no consequence or holds no validity for them. The constitution and laws of the US or any other worldly country do not apply to them. Their own version of Sharia law and the world of jihadism is their law!
al Qaeda is not a country. It is a state of mind. It is an extremist cult. They declared war on the USA before we realized what was truly happening. al Qaeda killed many of our innocents. Some of the clerics or leaders of al Qaeda ordered the killings and others carried the orders out. The terrorists disenfranchised themselves and they would have no other way. They have stated many times they would "fight to the death". They don't want to be tried in our courts. They are judge, juror and executioner of themselves and those who follow in their violent ways. al Awlaki knew about the drones. He could have surrendered to go through the legitimate system of justice many times. He knew he was on the hit list. His Father tried to get him off the hit list but the case was thrown out. al Awlaki was an adult responsible for his own legal course. Do we see the posters here relieved that more will not be inspired and directed by him to kill our soldiers, citizens, and even others who feel the desire to be rewarded in heaven via suicide bombings etc.? Who is really the initial judge, juror, and executioner here are why isn't this completely obvious to peeps?
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| -"Who does Obama think he is, Michael Corleone?" Obama Wrong to Rub Out Al-Awlaki |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 08:37 AM |
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"sets a new low" |
FiveGoodMen |
Oct-03-11 08:38 AM |
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thank GOD the President did it!! |
trueblue2007 |
Oct-03-11 10:49 AM |
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It was war and he was a high official against the United States of America |
Maraya1969 |
Oct-03-11 01:33 PM |
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yep, yet another new low |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 08:40 AM |
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The people that will still be alive because that newly-dead POS coward |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 10:57 AM |
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and how about the people that will be killed because of it |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 12:24 PM |
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Strawman, but you know that. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 12:43 PM |
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Not, it's not in the least. It's a fact. |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 12:53 PM |
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You're the next guy in line at AQ. You just saw al-Alwaki get the hammer. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 01:01 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-03-11 01:06 PM |
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“We’ll fight against America for a thousand years if we have to,” |
sad sally |
Oct-03-11 04:30 PM |
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Oh bullshit. They lost a high power leader. Expect less deaths. |
Maraya1969 |
Oct-03-11 01:39 PM |
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lol |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 01:47 PM |
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Where is the evidence of what you just said? Did you know that |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-03-11 10:55 PM |
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Well, as I've said before, you got a good point. Try to arrest 'em first. |
AverageJoe90 |
Oct-05-11 04:44 AM |
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He was a leader of a viable and deadly enemy against the US. |
Maraya1969 |
Oct-03-11 01:37 PM |
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No one has proven he did anything other than speak. |
Toucano |
Oct-03-11 10:33 PM |
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No, he was not a leader,he was hardly known to a majority of people in the |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-05-11 11:57 AM |
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Do you trust Obama to only kill bad guys? I do |
tularetom |
Oct-03-11 08:48 AM |
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I don't trust any president |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 04:31 PM |
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That's the same argument I used on my freeper co-workers during bush. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Oct-03-11 10:55 PM |
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You do realize they consider DU the bad guys, right? |
harun |
Oct-05-11 12:00 PM |
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An enemy of the state is whoever the President tells you is an enemy of the state |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 08:53 AM |
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How about when the person tells you he is an enemy? |
Uben |
Oct-03-11 09:01 AM |
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Never mind the truth. |
cliffordu |
Oct-03-11 10:23 AM |
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I think you mean never mind due process and the Rule of Law |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 12:28 PM |
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lol. These posts are my favorite. |
cliffordu |
Oct-03-11 12:44 PM |
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yea, you lawless folks just love that, don't cha |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 12:54 PM |
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Heh. More lulz. |
cliffordu |
Oct-03-11 03:42 PM |
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So you think the government should execute any citizen who the state says is an enemy of the state. |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 12:46 PM |
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"So you"... |
SidDithers |
Oct-03-11 12:56 PM |
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Strawman is all they got. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 01:03 PM |
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It's a favourite "debate" tactic of this poster... |
SidDithers |
Oct-03-11 01:10 PM |
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So you think that the basis for their arguments is, well, less than good? |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 01:23 PM |
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Don't think by a longshot that this guy is the only guy on the hit list. |
BlueCheese |
Oct-03-11 01:09 PM |
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Every article on the subject says that JSOC has been transformed into a 24 hour assassination team |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-03-11 03:47 PM |
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The precedent of this act is somewhat terrifying. |
sad sally |
Oct-03-11 04:41 PM |
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I've been on vacation the past week. |
Wait Wut |
Oct-03-11 01:38 PM |
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Lots of people say those things. Are you saying people deserve |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-03-11 11:03 PM |
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Yep, I sure do. |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 12:27 PM |
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So how many more Americans does Al-Awlaki have to kill? |
Uben |
Oct-03-11 08:53 AM |
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Thank you for your post. |
spartan61 |
Oct-03-11 08:58 AM |
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How many did he kill? As many as the gov of Texas or civilians killed by predators? |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 09:03 AM |
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How many did Bin Laden kill himself? |
Uben |
Oct-03-11 09:08 AM |
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Bad logic fail |
treestar |
Oct-03-11 09:58 AM |
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and it comes with due process |
SwampG8r |
Oct-03-11 10:24 AM |
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As legal as PBO taking out al-Alwaki under the AUMF. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 12:18 PM |
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The Gov. of Texas can't give reprieves or pardons. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-03-11 10:27 AM |
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I really don't think... |
dennis4868 |
Oct-03-11 09:25 AM |
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Find an old WWII Veteran who was in the European Theater and ask |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 10:50 AM |
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That only happened after the massacre by Waffen SS of our |
COLGATE4 |
Oct-03-11 11:42 AM |
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And no tears should be shed for al-Alwaki. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 11:45 AM |
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Should all of the Nazi POW's been executed? |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 12:49 PM |
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I don't know, what do you think? |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 01:32 PM |
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lol |
Bobbie Jo |
Oct-03-11 04:09 PM |
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A. This website is NOT anti-Obama. It's PRO-DEMOCRAT. |
Bake |
Oct-03-11 12:57 PM |
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Case in point...how many yelled |
madmom |
Oct-03-11 09:37 AM |
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My understanding is he didn't kill any |
whatchamacallit |
Oct-03-11 11:28 AM |
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the one who orders the killings rarely does the killing... |
hue |
Oct-03-11 01:46 PM |
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The *real* Michael Corleone in this is the late, unlamented coward al-Alwaki. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 02:17 PM |
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Justice was served? |
Abq_Sarah |
Oct-03-11 04:38 PM |
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Oh brother! |
Kahuna |
Oct-03-11 08:56 AM |
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The mission continues... |
Bobbie Jo |
Oct-03-11 09:06 AM |
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+1... |
SidDithers |
Oct-03-11 11:48 AM |
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Bullshit helps, too. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 01:37 PM |
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Were at war with Al Qaeda did you forget.............. |
Historic NY |
Oct-03-11 09:09 AM |
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We are? |
MadHound |
Oct-03-11 09:22 AM |
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Yes. Where have you been the last decade? Our Congress issued the AUMF under the WPA |
msanthrope |
Oct-03-11 12:53 PM |
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You declare war on a state, sorry. |
MadHound |
Oct-03-11 01:26 PM |
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You don't think Mexico should have the right to declare war on the cartels? |
msanthrope |
Oct-03-11 04:44 PM |
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historically this is soo wrong! |
hue |
Oct-03-11 04:58 PM |
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The AUMF does not and cannot negate the Constitution |
Abq_Sarah |
Oct-03-11 04:41 PM |
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Who are these victims? Is there a list somewhere? |
EFerrari |
Oct-03-11 10:47 AM |
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So whoever the government declares is "an enemy combatant" or radical terrorist should be murdured! |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 12:53 PM |
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actually al Alwaki and other al Qaeda declared themselves |
hue |
Oct-03-11 05:02 PM |
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"Get Yamamoto." was the order FDR gave to his Sec of the Navy.. |
Historic NY |
Oct-03-11 09:17 PM |
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Al-Awlaki said repeatedly that Americans should be killed |
slackmaster |
Oct-03-11 09:13 AM |
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So what? A person can say what they like, write what they like, and think what they like. |
ThomWV |
Oct-03-11 09:38 AM |
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I see it as a justifiable use of deadly force to stop a fugitive felony suspect |
slackmaster |
Oct-03-11 09:47 AM |
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The end justifies the means. That is how the War on Terror is justified on all sides. |
RC |
Oct-03-11 09:15 AM |
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Unrec. With this line of thinking the next step will be to call for impeachment. |
FSogol |
Oct-03-11 09:16 AM |
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hmm, more harping. |
dionysus |
Oct-03-11 09:17 AM |
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A non-issue for most middle Americans. [np] |
HighContext |
Oct-03-11 09:21 AM |
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So, does that make it legal to kill and American without a trial? |
ThomWV |
Oct-03-11 09:37 AM |
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'Who gives a fuck what most middle Americans think'? Um, politicians, other Americans...etc etc [np] |
HighContext |
Oct-03-11 09:51 AM |
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Goodbye forever |
FiveGoodMen |
Oct-03-11 10:40 AM |
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lol. i hardly knew ye.... |
HighContext |
Oct-03-11 11:22 AM |
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I love the smell of desperation in the morning. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-03-11 09:35 AM |
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he's like the energizer bunny. he keeps posting, and posting, and posting... |
dionysus |
Oct-03-11 09:57 AM |
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LOL. n/t |
FSogol |
Oct-03-11 10:05 AM |
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And it was the same thing when OBL got rubbed out |
treestar |
Oct-03-11 10:00 AM |
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I was thinking the same thing - very apt comparison. nt |
bananas |
Oct-03-11 09:43 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-03-11 09:59 AM |
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"They do it, so we do it" is piss poor foreign policy. K&R |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-03-11 10:17 AM |
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you must spend every day looking up anti-Obama stuff to post |
WI_DEM |
Oct-03-11 10:17 AM |
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yes, i wonder what the google search strings are... |
dionysus |
Oct-03-11 10:21 AM |
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The Progressive has 13,000 followers on Twitter. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-03-11 02:35 PM |
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It's a daily constant scouring of the internet for this one |
Swede |
Oct-03-11 10:28 AM |
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I don't know... |
SidDithers |
Oct-03-11 11:55 AM |
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The Progressive is not an obscure publication. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-03-11 01:30 PM |
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Nah. I'm sure he's got a Google alert now. The anti-Obama shit probably finds him now |
Number23 |
Oct-03-11 11:11 PM |
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What gave al Awlaki the right to be judge, juror and the ability to |
hue |
Oct-03-11 11:22 AM |
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The same "logic" could be applied to the Unibomber, and McVeigh among many others, |
MadHound |
Oct-03-11 11:49 AM |
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errr.. they were eventually accessible...not hiding in mntns of Yemen |
hue |
Oct-03-11 12:21 PM |
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That is what extradition is for, |
MadHound |
Oct-03-11 01:28 PM |
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Um, you do realize that Yemen tried, that right? Yemen had already convicted him |
msanthrope |
Oct-03-11 04:37 PM |
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Ah, so because somebody is difficult to catch, |
MadHound |
Oct-03-11 04:40 PM |
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Yes. Unless you want to give it a go? nt |
msanthrope |
Oct-03-11 04:47 PM |
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So justice is limited by the convenience and ease of picking up the suspect |
MadHound |
Oct-03-11 04:48 PM |
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Not justice. Simply how many American lives get put in jeopardy picking this dude up. |
msanthrope |
Oct-03-11 04:57 PM |
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You assume a lot about what I think, yet know absolutely nothing. |
MadHound |
Oct-03-11 05:02 PM |
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and who thinks/said this?? you are assuming now. |
hue |
Oct-03-11 05:23 PM |
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C'mon! The Constitution clearly says we have a right to a trial by a jury of our peers... |
Toucano |
Oct-03-11 10:17 PM |
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Not in parts of the world where there is no effective government |
hack89 |
Oct-03-11 04:50 PM |
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Like say, Washington D.C.? |
Toucano |
Oct-03-11 10:21 PM |
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If you don't want a serious discussion, just say so. Ok ? nt |
hack89 |
Oct-03-11 10:23 PM |
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You lost that ground when you repeated the FOX News talking point. |
Toucano |
Oct-03-11 10:45 PM |
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Law enforcement has withdrawn from parts of the country? |
hack89 |
Oct-04-11 06:46 AM |
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Usually when people are accused of these things |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-05-11 12:00 PM |
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kr |
defendandprotect |
Oct-03-11 11:44 AM |
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Unrec... |
SidDithers |
Oct-03-11 11:47 AM |
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If Bush killed Al-Awlaki... |
Life Long Dem |
Oct-03-11 11:50 AM |
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I'd have been joyful if the Bush Admin had target killed OBL. nt |
msanthrope |
Oct-03-11 12:54 PM |
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Unrec |
CakeGrrl |
Oct-03-11 11:58 AM |
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The Truth Hurts the Reagan Republicans masquerading as New Democrats. |
Octafish |
Oct-03-11 12:23 PM |
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Over at www.Reagan Republican Underground.com they are cheering. |
bananas |
Oct-05-11 04:36 AM |
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+1 for being a real Progressive. |
harun |
Oct-05-11 12:02 PM |
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If a right-wing Republican President declares a U.S. citizen to be an "enemy" anarchist, terrorist, |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 12:58 PM |
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"I'm listening" |
Bobbie Jo |
Oct-03-11 02:04 PM |
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No wonder right-wingers laugh at us |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Oct-03-11 01:17 PM |
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Yep. The GOP builds up their leaders, the Dems doubt theirs down. -nt |
CakeGrrl |
Oct-03-11 01:21 PM |
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Questioning unreviewable presidential power. Who the hell do we think we are? |
EFerrari |
Oct-03-11 02:21 PM |
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Funny coming from the head of the Chavez Cabal |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Oct-03-11 05:08 PM |
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SNAP!!! |
Number23 |
Oct-03-11 11:13 PM |
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And you still don't know anything about Venezuela. |
EFerrari |
Oct-05-11 12:00 PM |
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Such bull- crap tired of it on DU!!!!!!! |
watercolors |
Oct-03-11 01:44 PM |
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Time to throw the ACLU and other defenders of the Bill of Rights under the bus! |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 01:50 PM |
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Time to throw President Obama & the AUMF under the bus to defend the head of Al-Qaeda in Yemen. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-03-11 03:44 PM |
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No one but the White House is making that claim. |
EFerrari |
Oct-03-11 04:48 PM |
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Actually, the WH called him "a" principal leader, which is fair. |
Robb |
Oct-03-11 04:59 PM |
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It's really no wonder that we've lost the country. |
MrSlayer |
Oct-03-11 04:49 PM |
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I agree. It's far more important that Obama look tough on defense. Screw the Bill of Rights! |
Better Believe It |
Oct-03-11 05:12 PM |
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Round and round it goes. |
MrSlayer |
Oct-03-11 05:39 PM |
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It was legal... oh please. It was justified using the Bush Doctrine |
ixion |
Oct-03-11 09:10 PM |
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Yes, you have repeated yourself for the 10th time |
Bobbie Jo |
Oct-03-11 09:51 PM |
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Wow... This is the Democratic Underground right? |
SomethingFishy |
Oct-03-11 10:02 PM |
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It distresses me too |
Canuckistanian |
Oct-03-11 10:59 PM |
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