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Mon Oct-03-11 08:49 AM
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just because a dem does it does not make war any different.
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| -Re: al-Awlaki ... you know who else was a U.S. citizen? Robert E. Lee |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-01-11 08:16 AM |
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xchrom |
Oct-01-11 08:18 AM |
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Problem with OP argument: Lee had the chance to get his mansion back facing the US Capitol |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-04-11 12:29 AM |
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There are consequences for committing treason. That shouldn't be a surprise. |
Pirate Smile |
Oct-01-11 08:24 AM |
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The constitution does not remove the obligation of the state to follow |
Warren Stupidity |
Oct-01-11 08:48 AM |
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I don't care if Lee was eating his breakfast... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-01-11 08:55 AM |
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Again the issue is the assertion by the executive branch that it can, |
Warren Stupidity |
Oct-01-11 12:29 PM |
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It is not at all troubling... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-02-11 11:14 PM |
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what nations army were these men in? |
SwampG8r |
Oct-02-11 11:34 PM |
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I suspect Lee would have been more valuable as a prisoner. |
Bake |
Oct-03-11 03:34 PM |
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actually he passed as a young-ish man at 63 years old. nt |
GSLevel9 |
Oct-03-11 04:27 PM |
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Lee was more valuable to the US right where he was: leading Confederate forces! |
ieoeja |
Oct-03-11 04:33 PM |
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Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way every time a fugitive is killed by law enforcement? |
TheWraith |
Oct-03-11 12:27 AM |
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There is a HUGE difference... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 04:59 PM |
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Oct-01-11 08:29 AM |
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Unrec for whining and calling DUers cowards. |
pintobean |
Oct-01-11 08:42 AM |
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It's a pet peeve |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-01-11 08:49 AM |
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click of the mouse bullying |
pintobean |
Oct-01-11 08:56 AM |
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Yep |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-01-11 08:57 AM |
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Admins repeatedly say that 's so little, if at all |
pintobean |
Oct-01-11 09:03 AM |
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You're a Nazi. |
Iggo |
Oct-01-11 10:18 AM |
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You bring up something I hadn't thought of before. |
classof56 |
Oct-01-11 08:34 AM |
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Robert E. Lee lost his citizenship. |
enlightenment |
Oct-01-11 09:02 AM |
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If I were President after Lee's side was defeated, I would have hung |
bluestate10 |
Oct-01-11 09:12 AM |
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So you would have executed tens of thousands of prisoners or war? |
Warren Stupidity |
Oct-01-11 12:30 PM |
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I would've just kept the troops there as long as it took to deal with the Klan |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-03-11 12:14 AM |
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Thank you for your response and the clarification. |
classof56 |
Oct-01-11 11:54 AM |
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President Davis was the morwe interesting case |
Yupster |
Oct-02-11 11:29 PM |
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and why did they not want to go to court? |
SwampG8r |
Oct-02-11 11:37 PM |
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dont let facts get in the way of a blustery OP... nt |
GSLevel9 |
Oct-03-11 04:29 PM |
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There were confederates that came from northern states that never seceded. |
AngkorWot |
Oct-01-11 10:14 AM |
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noshit, Sherlock. "war is hell" signed ~ Sherman. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Oct-01-11 08:40 AM |
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Lee lost his citizenship |
RetroLounge |
Oct-01-11 09:16 AM |
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And? So? |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-02-11 11:24 PM |
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Lee also led armies |
SixthSense |
Oct-01-11 09:25 AM |
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He was in the leadership... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-02-11 11:17 PM |
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we don't actually have any evidence of that |
SixthSense |
Oct-03-11 08:18 AM |
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WTF? |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 08:36 AM |
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That's not true at all |
SixthSense |
Oct-03-11 08:41 AM |
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All I am saying is... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 03:31 PM |
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There is something quite new here |
SixthSense |
Oct-03-11 04:16 PM |
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Nope. |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 04:46 PM |
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Actually, the Administration has been saying for years that AQ has been pinned down ineffectual |
Leopolds Ghost |
Oct-04-11 12:26 AM |
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unrec for false analogy. |
obxhead |
Oct-01-11 09:48 AM |
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Awlaki was a leader or terrorists directly ordering strikes against the US |
AngkorWot |
Oct-01-11 09:53 AM |
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Really? You have evidence of that? |
obxhead |
Oct-01-11 09:57 AM |
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This isn't a law enforcement exercise, stop pretending it is. - nt |
badtoworse |
Oct-01-11 10:09 AM |
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That is the problem: it really should be a law enforcement exercise. |
Warren Stupidity |
Oct-01-11 12:42 PM |
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"a small criminal gang" that has killed thousands in various terrorist acts |
badtoworse |
Oct-01-11 03:41 PM |
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Why wasn't Lee? |
AngkorWot |
Oct-01-11 10:09 AM |
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Lee wasn't tried for the same reason as Jefferson Davis |
Yupster |
Oct-02-11 11:32 PM |
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Ummmm... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-02-11 11:18 PM |
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al-Awlaki was a leader in a group waging war against the US |
badtoworse |
Oct-01-11 09:57 AM |
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Did he renounce his citizenship? I don't know. n/t |
oneshooter |
Oct-01-11 10:08 AM |
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If we was acting in concert with enemies, then yes, he renounced his citizenship. |
badtoworse |
Oct-01-11 10:13 AM |
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Why not? Don't we claim that terrorism isn't legitimate military action, but crime? |
DirkGently |
Oct-03-11 11:00 AM |
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So was Abraham Lincoln. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-01-11 10:10 AM |
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Lincoln did NOT order the assassination of Robert E Lee. |
bvar22 |
Oct-01-11 11:57 AM |
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Actually he ordered the killing of over 94,000 citizens.... |
whistler162 |
Oct-01-11 04:50 PM |
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Had Lee ben in the sights of any private on the battlfield... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-02-11 11:28 PM |
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Oct-01-11 12:00 PM |
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you are a huge bigot arent you? |
SwampG8r |
Oct-02-11 11:41 PM |
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You realized that the Confederacy act as a state despite us not recognizing them as such |
TheKentuckian |
Oct-01-11 04:09 PM |
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so what country was al-Awlaki fighting for? |
provis99 |
Oct-01-11 04:45 PM |
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Ummmm.... Get a clue |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-02-11 11:29 PM |
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This analogy fails in every possible way. This was not a battle. There is not a "war." We don't |
DirkGently |
Oct-01-11 08:40 PM |
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Exactly, the rational behind that action, as well as its legality, |
Fool Count |
Oct-01-11 09:35 PM |
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The comparison is dead-on |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-02-11 11:23 PM |
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It is illegal. It is not war. But it is not new. It is what we call "terrorism" when others do it. |
DirkGently |
Oct-03-11 10:02 AM |
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You CAN make war on an organization |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 03:45 PM |
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HAve you seen the facts or are you just going on the information |
Angry Dragon |
Oct-03-11 04:09 PM |
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I've been to Ground Zero. |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 04:39 PM |
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Yes I know that the towers are down |
Angry Dragon |
Oct-03-11 04:57 PM |
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Save that for somebody more paranoid (nt) |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-04-11 04:27 PM |
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Do you really believe anyone would have killed Lee though? |
Puregonzo1188 |
Oct-01-11 09:39 PM |
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Of course they would have (nt) |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-02-11 11:15 PM |
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Someone killed Lincoln. That, we know. |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-02-11 11:25 PM |
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uh. hell yeah. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Oct-03-11 09:08 AM |
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that was a real declared war |
SwampG8r |
Oct-02-11 11:32 PM |
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OK, great |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 08:42 AM |
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organizations that kill americans? |
SwampG8r |
Oct-03-11 08:49 AM |
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When the the mafia kills 3,000 people ... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 08:53 AM |
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war? |
SwampG8r |
Oct-03-11 09:59 AM |
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Here's a dollar |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 03:14 PM |
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Do you really think the Mafia hasn't killed 3,000 people & has no worldwide network? |
DirkGently |
Oct-03-11 10:10 AM |
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A terrrorist network? Out to kill innocent Americans at random? |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 03:15 PM |
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wake up |
SwampG8r |
Oct-04-11 12:02 AM |
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We arrest criminals. We prove their guilt. We leave blowing people up to terrorists. |
DirkGently |
Oct-03-11 10:15 AM |
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al Awlaki was a combatant |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 05:01 PM |
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i thought we had heard all the conservative bullshit about 9/11 |
SwampG8r |
Oct-02-11 11:44 PM |
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This is not "consevative bullshit" |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 08:40 AM |
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did i spellit wrong?it is conservative bullshit |
SwampG8r |
Oct-03-11 08:47 AM |
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It's nothing new |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 08:49 AM |
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and just because a dem did it |
SwampG8r |
Oct-03-11 10:00 AM |
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And ONCE AGAIN |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 03:17 PM |
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nor does it make it morally correct |
SwampG8r |
Oct-04-11 12:07 AM |
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it just bugs me that Obama has the guts to do this, but won't prosecute Cheney |
librechik |
Oct-03-11 08:49 AM |
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Very poor comparison...he was shooting at us...healthy unrec for this fail...nt |
joeybee12 |
Oct-03-11 10:00 AM |
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No, he wasn't shooting at "us." His men were shooting at "you." |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-04-11 12:09 AM |
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Not sure analogy is totally comparable, but I don't see the problem with killing of this guy.. |
octothorpe |
Oct-03-11 10:23 AM |
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actually, the rules of war for the Civil War forbade assassinations |
fishwax |
Oct-03-11 10:57 AM |
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Excellent point. Wars have rules of engagement. What's argued here is that there are no rules. |
DirkGently |
Oct-03-11 11:03 AM |
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So, in WWII, when the allies tried to kil Hitler... |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 03:26 PM |
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And yet, 600,000 people were killed |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 03:22 PM |
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Killed in battle and targeted for assassination are different things |
fishwax |
Oct-03-11 04:54 PM |
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They buried the war dead. Well many of them anyway, basically in his yard. |
alphafemale |
Oct-03-11 03:25 PM |
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This is a bizarre comparison. n/t |
demmiblue |
Oct-03-11 04:38 PM |
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Not if you think it through for 5 seconds (nt) |
LuckyTheDog |
Oct-03-11 04:40 PM |
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That is probably my problem... I thought about it for 2.5 seconds. n/t |
demmiblue |
Oct-03-11 04:44 PM |
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All well and good except R. E. Lee had given up his U.S. citizenship - |
lynne |
Oct-03-11 05:01 PM |
#102 |
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