madfloridian
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Sat Oct-01-11 07:15 PM
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| 59. I think the poster refers to attitude of the replacements . |
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I have heard other teachers speak of it. Even the interns from the state universities speak of experienced teachers as if they are not worthy. They are walking into classrooms and acting superior. Some teachers refuse to take interns anymore, even if they get credit toward re-certification. The last 10 years I taught I would not take student teachers.
I think the badmouthing of public school teachers with tenure started before we realized what they were doing. I think it is being integrated into their training now.
Now we know, and we either defend ourselves or public education dies.
I am retired, so all I can do is speak my mind. Teachers are catching on quickly.
I think you misunderstood the poster to whom you responded.
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| -Teach for America....its "Savior" syndrome is harming public education. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 12:17 PM |
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5 weeks training and they're replacing teachers? |
polly7 |
Sep-30-11 12:24 PM |
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It is being applauded by both parties now. And Arne supports TFA. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 12:29 PM |
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I don't want to offend anyone and apologize if it seems I am, but we |
polly7 |
Oct-01-11 10:09 AM |
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There is no answer as to why this is good.... because it isn't good. |
Owl |
Oct-02-11 12:38 PM |
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It's a cheap thing |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 09:08 AM |
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Exactamundo |
BobbyBoring |
Oct-01-11 02:53 PM |
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4 years of liberal arts, 2 years graduate degree in elementary education, |
no_hypocrisy |
Oct-03-11 07:52 AM |
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it's cheaper to hire college grads than pay teachers for their experience |
wordpix |
Oct-03-11 08:45 AM |
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Nice White Lady Saves Us All |
alcibiades_mystery |
Sep-30-11 12:26 PM |
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No one thinks that video funnier than my stepdaughter, who IS a nice white lady working in Oakland |
saras |
Oct-02-11 12:29 PM |
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a bad idea from Apple |
quitnesset |
Sep-30-11 12:38 PM |
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Apple donated 9000 iPads to TFA teachers. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 12:42 PM |
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In our district those iPads are able to access the school wifi |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 09:07 AM |
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That IS insulting. I agree 100%. |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 10:31 AM |
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More actual data on TFA effectiveness. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 01:56 PM |
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Retention is a problem for credentialed teachers too. |
ellisonz |
Oct-03-11 06:04 PM |
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So much for teaching as a career. |
KamaAina |
Sep-30-11 02:09 PM |
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Yep, the goal of TFA and other reformers is to make teachers cheaper. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 03:25 PM |
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TFA pays the same wage as a starting teacher's salary. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 06:32 PM |
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They are replacing long time teachers who need those jobs. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 06:46 PM |
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Cuts are being made anyways. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:14 PM |
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I blame a private group that disses teachers and takes their jobs. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 07:19 PM |
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You don't like the program. I get it. I think we ought to invest more in education in general. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:28 PM |
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Don't throw out experience tenured teacher for Wendy Kopp's "corps" |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 07:51 PM |
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Blame Republicans. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 08:31 PM |
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No, not just Republicans. Obama is pushing Bush's policies through... |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 08:38 PM |
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I'm for sacking Arne. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 08:55 PM |
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I want young people to have opportunities. Just not on the backs of good teachers. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 09:30 PM |
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See we agree. Our enemy is the same... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:41 PM |
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Then you're for scrapping TFA, right? |
Occulus |
Oct-03-11 09:58 AM |
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I'm scrapping for both TFA and for a better unionized public education system. |
ellisonz |
Oct-03-11 05:57 PM |
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All teachers start out as young people. Why not properly train them |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-05-11 02:19 AM |
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Oct-01-11 08:57 PM |
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Then the TFA ers get laid off, and more of them are hired.... |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 06:48 PM |
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Fail. |
theaocp |
Sep-30-11 06:50 PM |
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Then what are young people supposed to do? |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:13 PM |
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Oh, my...so the young people shove out the older people? You think so? |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 07:20 PM |
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That's not what I said. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:29 PM |
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What I don't understand |
MH1 |
Oct-01-11 10:34 AM |
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They are replacing experienced teachers because they have the power. |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 11:11 AM |
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Then why not fight the people who have been underfunding our schools for the last... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:32 PM |
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Thank you! |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:39 PM |
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Of course! |
chervilant |
Oct-05-11 01:40 AM |
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Um, go to college and become a teacher, like me? |
theaocp |
Sep-30-11 07:27 PM |
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Remember emergency credentialing? |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:31 PM |
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I have many friends who were experienced tenured teachers. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 07:50 PM |
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I'm not. I'm defending young people wanting to serve their communities. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 08:31 PM |
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So do mature and experienced teachers. They had major cuts as well. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 08:43 PM |
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Exactly. Something it was not intended to be... |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 08:56 PM |
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Emergency credentials reflect a shortage. You can get an |
roody |
Sep-30-11 08:39 PM |
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I had several teachers in high school during the first half of the last decade... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:34 PM |
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Well said. +1 |
Owl |
Oct-02-11 12:43 PM |
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Well forgive me for not being willing to give them MY job. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 12:38 PM |
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Absolutely. |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:33 PM |
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And I know for a fact it has no value for our children |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 10:45 PM |
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That may have been your experience.... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 11:23 PM |
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My district fired 80 experienced teachers to make room for TFA |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 09:13 AM |
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That is shocking. |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 11:13 AM |
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+ 1 million |
WildEyedLiberal |
Oct-03-11 12:44 AM |
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The key word there is "starting". |
KamaAina |
Oct-01-11 12:59 PM |
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And they fire the tenured teachers anyway... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 02:29 PM |
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There would be money if it were given a priority in this country. |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 02:33 PM |
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Well, durn... |
chervilant |
Oct-01-11 09:13 PM |
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You're being disrespectful. |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:35 PM |
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How do you think the laid-off teachers feel when TFA is hired in their place??? |
madfloridian |
Oct-02-11 12:12 AM |
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Pissed off. But it's not TFA forcing budget crunches... |
ellisonz |
Oct-02-11 01:27 AM |
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It is TFA causing the firings and layoffs in many cases. |
madfloridian |
Oct-02-11 11:27 AM |
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Oct-03-11 10:01 AM |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Oct-03-11 07:43 AM |
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I was one of those students... |
ellisonz |
Oct-03-11 07:17 PM |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Oct-05-11 01:24 AM |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Oct-05-11 01:31 AM |
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Ask The Average Corp Member How Long They Intend To Stay With It? |
NashVegas |
Oct-01-11 02:34 PM |
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Here: |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:36 PM |
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+1 |
LWolf |
Sep-30-11 07:14 PM |
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It's Like Mao Tse Tung's Cultural Revolution, Which Set China Back By A Generation or Two |
Demeter |
Sep-30-11 05:46 PM |
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I'm still reading. Keep up the good work. |
cachukis |
Sep-30-11 06:00 PM |
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I wonder if the TFA kiddies know that they're.... |
radhika |
Sep-30-11 08:21 PM |
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Unfortunately they are also scabs. |
roody |
Sep-30-11 08:41 PM |
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I think some are catching on. |
madfloridian |
Oct-03-11 05:21 PM |
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This gives me an idea |
izquierdista |
Sep-30-11 08:46 PM |
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I've owned pets for years. I am going to be a vet. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 02:21 PM |
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Oh, yeah?! |
chervilant |
Oct-01-11 09:14 PM |
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k&r |
Starry Messenger |
Sep-30-11 09:19 PM |
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Many of these students from elite colleges have never met a poor person before. |
Kat45 |
Sep-30-11 11:29 PM |
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Have you ever heard of financial aid and student loans? |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:45 PM |
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Yes, I have, but a majority of the kids in these schools are well off. |
Kat45 |
Oct-01-11 11:03 PM |
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Of course... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 11:27 PM |
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K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Oct-01-11 11:08 AM |
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Oct-01-11 02:38 PM |
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My personal but non-TFA e.g.: Principal hired new (but experienced) teachers; told us we could learn |
WinkyDink |
Oct-01-11 03:09 PM |
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I have 30 years experience in my field and they day |
whistler162 |
Oct-01-11 04:16 PM |
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I think the poster refers to attitude of the replacements . |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 07:15 PM |
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I guess you don't grasp the concept of "gratuitous insult." Funny how the other dame wasn't expected |
WinkyDink |
Oct-01-11 09:38 PM |
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And for another thing: IT IS NOT ABOUT STUDENTS. It is about TFA $$$, and resumes. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-01-11 03:13 PM |
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If TFA is so much better....why does Bill Gates give them earpieces to be talked through lessons? |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 11:07 PM |
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I could not agree with this more. TFA is all about bolstering the resume for law school |
WildEyedLiberal |
Oct-02-11 01:42 AM |
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I agree. A "resume builder." |
madfloridian |
Oct-02-11 03:01 PM |
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wow, that's exactly what one of the TFA's I worked with did |
wordpix |
Oct-03-11 08:49 AM |
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Rich spoiled elites with expensive educations |
Generic Other |
Oct-03-11 07:48 AM |
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my experience w/ TFA - one person good, another not, both left after a year |
wordpix |
Oct-03-11 09:00 AM |
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It's the same with all people... |
ellisonz |
Oct-03-11 07:03 PM |
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too late to recommend, but a hearty kick |
fishwax |
Oct-03-11 09:31 AM |
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and kick again |
dembotoz |
Oct-03-11 09:52 AM |
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And what if they're better -- or if some of them are better? |
Cats Against Frist |
Oct-03-11 07:16 PM |
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I don't think you are aware they are firing GOOD teachers as well. |
madfloridian |
Oct-03-11 08:06 PM |
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WHAT?!? |
chervilant |
Oct-05-11 01:52 AM |
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