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Fri Sep-30-11 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #21 |
| 25. Don't throw out experience tenured teacher for Wendy Kopp's "corps" |
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How did she get so much power?
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| -Teach for America....its "Savior" syndrome is harming public education. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 12:17 PM |
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5 weeks training and they're replacing teachers? |
polly7 |
Sep-30-11 12:24 PM |
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It is being applauded by both parties now. And Arne supports TFA. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 12:29 PM |
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I don't want to offend anyone and apologize if it seems I am, but we |
polly7 |
Oct-01-11 10:09 AM |
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There is no answer as to why this is good.... because it isn't good. |
Owl |
Oct-02-11 12:38 PM |
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It's a cheap thing |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 09:08 AM |
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Exactamundo |
BobbyBoring |
Oct-01-11 02:53 PM |
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4 years of liberal arts, 2 years graduate degree in elementary education, |
no_hypocrisy |
Oct-03-11 07:52 AM |
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it's cheaper to hire college grads than pay teachers for their experience |
wordpix |
Oct-03-11 08:45 AM |
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Nice White Lady Saves Us All |
alcibiades_mystery |
Sep-30-11 12:26 PM |
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No one thinks that video funnier than my stepdaughter, who IS a nice white lady working in Oakland |
saras |
Oct-02-11 12:29 PM |
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a bad idea from Apple |
quitnesset |
Sep-30-11 12:38 PM |
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Apple donated 9000 iPads to TFA teachers. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 12:42 PM |
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In our district those iPads are able to access the school wifi |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 09:07 AM |
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That IS insulting. I agree 100%. |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 10:31 AM |
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More actual data on TFA effectiveness. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 01:56 PM |
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Retention is a problem for credentialed teachers too. |
ellisonz |
Oct-03-11 06:04 PM |
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So much for teaching as a career. |
KamaAina |
Sep-30-11 02:09 PM |
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Yep, the goal of TFA and other reformers is to make teachers cheaper. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 03:25 PM |
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TFA pays the same wage as a starting teacher's salary. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 06:32 PM |
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They are replacing long time teachers who need those jobs. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 06:46 PM |
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Cuts are being made anyways. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:14 PM |
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I blame a private group that disses teachers and takes their jobs. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 07:19 PM |
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You don't like the program. I get it. I think we ought to invest more in education in general. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:28 PM |
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Don't throw out experience tenured teacher for Wendy Kopp's "corps" |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 07:51 PM |
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Blame Republicans. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 08:31 PM |
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No, not just Republicans. Obama is pushing Bush's policies through... |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 08:38 PM |
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I'm for sacking Arne. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 08:55 PM |
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I want young people to have opportunities. Just not on the backs of good teachers. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 09:30 PM |
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See we agree. Our enemy is the same... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:41 PM |
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Then you're for scrapping TFA, right? |
Occulus |
Oct-03-11 09:58 AM |
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I'm scrapping for both TFA and for a better unionized public education system. |
ellisonz |
Oct-03-11 05:57 PM |
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All teachers start out as young people. Why not properly train them |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-05-11 02:19 AM |
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Oct-01-11 08:57 PM |
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Then the TFA ers get laid off, and more of them are hired.... |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 06:48 PM |
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Fail. |
theaocp |
Sep-30-11 06:50 PM |
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Then what are young people supposed to do? |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:13 PM |
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Oh, my...so the young people shove out the older people? You think so? |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 07:20 PM |
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That's not what I said. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:29 PM |
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What I don't understand |
MH1 |
Oct-01-11 10:34 AM |
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They are replacing experienced teachers because they have the power. |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 11:11 AM |
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Then why not fight the people who have been underfunding our schools for the last... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:32 PM |
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Thank you! |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:39 PM |
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Of course! |
chervilant |
Oct-05-11 01:40 AM |
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Um, go to college and become a teacher, like me? |
theaocp |
Sep-30-11 07:27 PM |
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Remember emergency credentialing? |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 07:31 PM |
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I have many friends who were experienced tenured teachers. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 07:50 PM |
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I'm not. I'm defending young people wanting to serve their communities. |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 08:31 PM |
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So do mature and experienced teachers. They had major cuts as well. |
madfloridian |
Sep-30-11 08:43 PM |
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Exactly. Something it was not intended to be... |
ellisonz |
Sep-30-11 08:56 PM |
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Emergency credentials reflect a shortage. You can get an |
roody |
Sep-30-11 08:39 PM |
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I had several teachers in high school during the first half of the last decade... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:34 PM |
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Well said. +1 |
Owl |
Oct-02-11 12:43 PM |
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Well forgive me for not being willing to give them MY job. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 12:38 PM |
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Absolutely. |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:33 PM |
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And I know for a fact it has no value for our children |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 10:45 PM |
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That may have been your experience.... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 11:23 PM |
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My district fired 80 experienced teachers to make room for TFA |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 09:13 AM |
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That is shocking. |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 11:13 AM |
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+ 1 million |
WildEyedLiberal |
Oct-03-11 12:44 AM |
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The key word there is "starting". |
KamaAina |
Oct-01-11 12:59 PM |
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And they fire the tenured teachers anyway... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 02:29 PM |
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There would be money if it were given a priority in this country. |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 02:33 PM |
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Well, durn... |
chervilant |
Oct-01-11 09:13 PM |
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You're being disrespectful. |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:35 PM |
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How do you think the laid-off teachers feel when TFA is hired in their place??? |
madfloridian |
Oct-02-11 12:12 AM |
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Pissed off. But it's not TFA forcing budget crunches... |
ellisonz |
Oct-02-11 01:27 AM |
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It is TFA causing the firings and layoffs in many cases. |
madfloridian |
Oct-02-11 11:27 AM |
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Oct-03-11 10:01 AM |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Oct-03-11 07:43 AM |
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I was one of those students... |
ellisonz |
Oct-03-11 07:17 PM |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Oct-05-11 01:24 AM |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Oct-05-11 01:31 AM |
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Ask The Average Corp Member How Long They Intend To Stay With It? |
NashVegas |
Oct-01-11 02:34 PM |
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Here: |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:36 PM |
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+1 |
LWolf |
Sep-30-11 07:14 PM |
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It's Like Mao Tse Tung's Cultural Revolution, Which Set China Back By A Generation or Two |
Demeter |
Sep-30-11 05:46 PM |
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I'm still reading. Keep up the good work. |
cachukis |
Sep-30-11 06:00 PM |
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I wonder if the TFA kiddies know that they're.... |
radhika |
Sep-30-11 08:21 PM |
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Unfortunately they are also scabs. |
roody |
Sep-30-11 08:41 PM |
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I think some are catching on. |
madfloridian |
Oct-03-11 05:21 PM |
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This gives me an idea |
izquierdista |
Sep-30-11 08:46 PM |
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I've owned pets for years. I am going to be a vet. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-01-11 02:21 PM |
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Oh, yeah?! |
chervilant |
Oct-01-11 09:14 PM |
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k&r |
Starry Messenger |
Sep-30-11 09:19 PM |
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Many of these students from elite colleges have never met a poor person before. |
Kat45 |
Sep-30-11 11:29 PM |
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Have you ever heard of financial aid and student loans? |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 09:45 PM |
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Yes, I have, but a majority of the kids in these schools are well off. |
Kat45 |
Oct-01-11 11:03 PM |
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Of course... |
ellisonz |
Oct-01-11 11:27 PM |
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K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Oct-01-11 11:08 AM |
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Oct-01-11 02:38 PM |
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My personal but non-TFA e.g.: Principal hired new (but experienced) teachers; told us we could learn |
WinkyDink |
Oct-01-11 03:09 PM |
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I have 30 years experience in my field and they day |
whistler162 |
Oct-01-11 04:16 PM |
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I think the poster refers to attitude of the replacements . |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 07:15 PM |
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I guess you don't grasp the concept of "gratuitous insult." Funny how the other dame wasn't expected |
WinkyDink |
Oct-01-11 09:38 PM |
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And for another thing: IT IS NOT ABOUT STUDENTS. It is about TFA $$$, and resumes. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-01-11 03:13 PM |
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If TFA is so much better....why does Bill Gates give them earpieces to be talked through lessons? |
madfloridian |
Oct-01-11 11:07 PM |
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I could not agree with this more. TFA is all about bolstering the resume for law school |
WildEyedLiberal |
Oct-02-11 01:42 AM |
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I agree. A "resume builder." |
madfloridian |
Oct-02-11 03:01 PM |
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wow, that's exactly what one of the TFA's I worked with did |
wordpix |
Oct-03-11 08:49 AM |
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Rich spoiled elites with expensive educations |
Generic Other |
Oct-03-11 07:48 AM |
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my experience w/ TFA - one person good, another not, both left after a year |
wordpix |
Oct-03-11 09:00 AM |
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It's the same with all people... |
ellisonz |
Oct-03-11 07:03 PM |
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too late to recommend, but a hearty kick |
fishwax |
Oct-03-11 09:31 AM |
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and kick again |
dembotoz |
Oct-03-11 09:52 AM |
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And what if they're better -- or if some of them are better? |
Cats Against Frist |
Oct-03-11 07:16 PM |
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I don't think you are aware they are firing GOOD teachers as well. |
madfloridian |
Oct-03-11 08:06 PM |
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WHAT?!? |
chervilant |
Oct-05-11 01:52 AM |
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