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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 11:25 AM
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59. I don't agree that the average student can't pass the exams
The problem is that there's a myth in this country that smart people can understand advanced concepts like organic chemistry without effort.

In reality, the "smart" kids are probably putting in an hour or more of work on the topic every night.

The average student could pass the exams if he or she put in that hour of work, but the average student is out partying and isn't putting in the work at all. Hence, the idea that the average student can't pass math or science.
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  -And once every child in America gets a college education, what then? kentuck  Sep-30-11 07:04 AM   #0 
  - Takes two years of college to get the same job I was doing while I was still in high school  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-11 07:09 AM   #1 
  - Just saw a sign in the window of our local linen store. Admin. Asst.  monmouth   Sep-30-11 07:59 AM   #36 
  - See my post below  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 11:55 AM   #62 
     - Just read your great post and think you are right. n/t  monmouth   Sep-30-11 12:36 PM   #64 
  - At least we'll be able to all discuss Baudelier while waiting in the unemployment line n/t  Nuclear Unicorn   Sep-30-11 01:36 PM   #70 
  - Community College is nothing but a job vocation degree.  icymist   Oct-02-11 05:17 AM   #79 
  - Then, after investing those huge sums, and going into debt,  LWolf   Sep-30-11 07:09 AM   #2 
  - Then your job will involve "You want fries with that?" but you'll have a degree.  hobbit709   Sep-30-11 07:11 AM   #3 
  - It teaches you how to THINK.  Zoeisright   Sep-30-11 07:12 AM   #4 
  - don't bet on that  hobbit709   Sep-30-11 07:14 AM   #5 
  - You have a good point, but you express it badly  david_vincent   Sep-30-11 08:51 AM   #47 
  - Well put  XemaSab   Sep-30-11 10:48 AM   #54 
  - As a veteran of college teaching, I can tell you that as of 1993, the last year I was involved,  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 11:56 AM   #63 
  - Think of which Fraternity to join, the ones with the best cheat sheets  formercia   Sep-30-11 07:30 AM   #17 
  - "Cacademia" ROFL, you owe me a new keyboard!  Odin2005   Sep-30-11 07:42 AM   #30 
  - YOu can't teach someone with a 90 IQ to THINK  AngryAmish   Sep-30-11 07:51 AM   #33 
  - Hey, I don't want someone with a 90 IQ  XemaSab   Sep-30-11 11:10 AM   #55 
  - Better to give the 90 iq individual a job without any tangible risks, like shuffling paper. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-30-11 11:42 AM   #60 
  - A 90 IQ is only slightly less than average.  surrealAmerican   Sep-30-11 01:33 PM   #68 
  - Which is great...if you have the privilege of time, aptitude, and money for college.  Lyric   Sep-30-11 08:36 AM   #44 
  - The fact that this is a widespread argument, is itself a strong argument for the opposite.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-30-11 11:13 AM   #56 
  - Right! It made me learn to teach myself!  icymist   Oct-02-11 05:21 AM   #80 
  - Bait and switch  get the red out   Sep-30-11 07:15 AM   #6 
  - yep, classic american  iemitsu   Sep-30-11 07:37 AM   #26 
  - They become 99% ers and join the Wall Street protest.  gordianot   Sep-30-11 07:16 AM   #7 
  - I wish more would go into the trades like plumbing  mainer   Sep-30-11 07:17 AM   #8 
  - Donna and I used to joke about that.  hobbit709   Sep-30-11 07:19 AM   #10 
  - I think in the USA there is the idea that learning a skill such as plumbing or becoming an  raccoon   Sep-30-11 07:25 AM   #14 
  - Exactly, it's some kind of "status" thing  get the red out   Sep-30-11 08:53 AM   #48 
  - This is why democracy works  Yo_Mama   Sep-30-11 07:27 AM   #16 
  - Of course more plumbers would force that wage down  exboyfil   Sep-30-11 07:37 AM   #27 
  - My daughter wanted Art (not much earning power there)  woodsprite   Sep-30-11 08:31 AM   #41 
  - You can't outsource a plumber or electrician's job to India. (n/t)  spin   Sep-30-11 07:56 AM   #34 
  - Trades are not valued, labor is not valued  Bosso 63   Sep-30-11 07:58 AM   #35 
  - Looking back  xmas74   Sep-30-11 08:57 AM   #49 
  - I strongly recommend the book "shop class as soulcraft". n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-30-11 11:15 AM   #57 
  - The construction trades where I live are all hurting badly..  Fumesucker   Oct-01-11 05:05 AM   #75 
     - But plumbers and electricians still work, even without construction  mainer   Oct-01-11 07:12 AM   #76 
        - Repairing/renovation is not the same as new construction.  Fumesucker   Oct-02-11 04:53 AM   #78 
  - so true, so true, ... as i look toward college tuition in a couple years and the job market  seabeyond   Sep-30-11 07:19 AM   #9 
  - Maybe they'll finally get your order right at Taco Bell. nt  michreject   Sep-30-11 07:20 AM   #11 
  - A can of Pepsi. With 75 cents, of course.  HughBeaumont   Sep-30-11 07:21 AM   #12 
  - It also denigrates other types of education  Yo_Mama   Sep-30-11 07:25 AM   #13 
  - well, the ideal of course  barbtries   Sep-30-11 07:26 AM   #15 
  - That's easy enough .....  H2O Man   Sep-30-11 07:32 AM   #18 
  - A Bachelor's Degree has become what a high school diploma was 60 years ago.  Odin2005   Sep-30-11 07:32 AM   #19 
  - True.  H2O Man   Sep-30-11 07:34 AM   #21 
  - But a high school degree didn't leave you or your parents  Fla Dem   Sep-30-11 07:48 AM   #31 
     - True.  Odin2005   Sep-30-11 08:02 AM   #37 
  - Then a degree will be worth next to nothing  IndyPragmatist   Sep-30-11 07:33 AM   #20 
  - I wonder about the smaller midwest state schools  exboyfil   Sep-30-11 07:49 AM   #32 
  - we will be known the world over for our SUPER-INTELLIGENT unemployment lines........  piratefish08   Sep-30-11 07:35 AM   #22 
  - master's degree's are near worthless today with no fucking jobs............  piratefish08   Sep-30-11 07:36 AM   #23 
  - That is not possible.  TheManInTheMac   Sep-30-11 07:36 AM   #24 
  - Then it will be something else that one needs to get  The2ndWheel   Sep-30-11 07:36 AM   #25 
  - Look at it this way...  Javaman   Sep-30-11 07:40 AM   #28 
  - then we will have doctors, teachers, architects, engineers, public health  KurtNYC   Sep-30-11 07:41 AM   #29 
  - We are Seriously Snobbish  malthaussen   Sep-30-11 08:11 AM   #39 
     - i think vocational schools are looking pretty good these days  KurtNYC   Sep-30-11 08:37 AM   #45 
  - i subscribe to the notion that knowledge is power  iemitsu   Sep-30-11 08:07 AM   #38 
  - Educating kids to be good corporate worker bees will  katsy   Sep-30-11 08:21 AM   #40 
  - It's part of the good life  treestar   Sep-30-11 08:32 AM   #42 
  - We need jobs that can support a decent living WITHOUT a college degree.  Lyric   Sep-30-11 08:35 AM   #43 
  - I think one of the strongest programs  LanternWaste   Sep-30-11 08:47 AM   #46 
  - In order to get every child in America a college education, the college standards would have to be  Cal33   Sep-30-11 09:11 AM   #50 
  - I don't agree that the average student can't pass the exams  XemaSab   Sep-30-11 11:25 AM   #59 
     - The average student will not be able to graduate college with degrees in the subjects I  Cal33   Oct-02-11 08:08 AM   #83 
  - We will have college educated bus drivers and janitors. nt  hack89   Sep-30-11 09:29 AM   #51 
  - A college degree doesn't matter -- the college, major, GPA, faculty recommendations, work record do  FarCenter   Sep-30-11 10:31 AM   #52 
  - once everyone had a degree, the credential needed for a 'good job' increases to an MA  Liberal_in_LA   Sep-30-11 10:32 AM   #53 
  - Everyone behaves as if they wish to be an english professor.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-30-11 11:20 AM   #58 
     - exactly.  Liberal_in_LA   Sep-30-11 01:34 PM   #69 
  - College isn't for everyone, and educational requirements can be artificial barriers  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 11:54 AM   #61 
  - Maybe an educated population would demand that they receive the productive gains for their labor  Taitertots   Sep-30-11 12:43 PM   #65 
  - Logic problem: right now, the population has more education than ever before, and yet...  Romulox   Sep-30-11 12:53 PM   #67 
     - There is also inequality in education....  Taitertots   Sep-30-11 02:13 PM   #72 
  - Then, the Federal Government imports millions of people willing to work cheaper than you.  Romulox   Sep-30-11 12:52 PM   #66 
  - Many of them would have the tools to create jobs and invent things and  lunatica   Sep-30-11 01:36 PM   #71 
  - They will work service industry, like me  Dragonbreathp9d   Sep-30-11 06:40 PM   #73 
  - Then we all live in Lake Wobegon--  eridani   Oct-01-11 02:46 AM   #74 
  - That's Easy, We'll Just Build Super Colleges  wellst0nev0ter   Oct-01-11 07:33 AM   #77 
  - More blather.  WinkyDink   Oct-02-11 05:28 AM   #81 
  - Education is not the problem  quaker bill   Oct-02-11 06:21 AM   #82 
  - We are going to have a lot of over-educated Walmart greeters. nt  TBF   Oct-02-11 08:44 AM   #84 
 

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