| -Glenn Greenwald: The Due-Process-Free Assasination Of U.S. Citizens Is Now Reality |
Hissyspit |
Sep-30-11 06:24 AM |
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OH MY GOD THAT'S BRILLIANT! |
Hoosier Daddy |
Sep-30-11 06:26 AM |
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Permalink: |
Hissyspit |
Sep-30-11 11:03 PM |
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Glen Greenwald can suck it |
Syrinx |
Sep-30-11 06:33 AM |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Sep-30-11 06:37 AM |
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Keith Olbermann can suck it, too! |
bananas |
Sep-30-11 07:10 AM |
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The genius of the constitution is that it guarantees its citizenry |
ooglymoogly |
Sep-30-11 01:55 PM |
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+1 Absolutely! nt |
snappyturtle |
Sep-30-11 05:45 PM |
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+2 n/t |
louslobbs |
Sep-30-11 06:20 PM |
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+3 -- |
defendandprotect |
Sep-30-11 09:03 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-30-11 09:10 PM |
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Why didn't Obama simply extradite this man and try him? |
JDPriestly |
Oct-01-11 12:48 AM |
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PLUS FUCKING ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-11 04:50 AM |
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DU is the real world for liberals dealing with reality. nwat |
ooglymoogly |
Sep-30-11 02:07 PM |
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Ok.. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-30-11 09:45 PM |
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No suprise you support this. |
RetroLounge |
Sep-30-11 11:41 PM |
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Umm, wingnuts have declared war on us, Syrinx.. |
Cyrano |
Sep-30-11 07:04 AM |
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Don't equate a metaphor with fact n/t |
Inuca |
Sep-30-11 07:14 AM |
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Exactly. Awlaki commanded no army and had no means to wage war |
EFerrari |
Sep-30-11 07:21 AM |
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I call trying to take down an airliner with a bomb a means to wage war. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:09 AM |
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How do you know that? |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-30-11 06:38 PM |
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A jury in the UK put the guy on the other end of his emails in jail for 30 years. |
Robb |
Sep-30-11 08:52 PM |
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That's nice, but this is the US, not the UK. n/t |
Exilednight |
Oct-01-11 05:38 AM |
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So if the RAF had killed him, it would be OK? |
Robb |
Oct-01-11 09:48 AM |
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I don't buy into the question. The UK would never assassinate a US citizen without |
Exilednight |
Oct-01-11 02:51 PM |
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I like this answer. |
Robb |
Oct-02-11 08:00 AM |
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I would argue no. The simple reason, AaA was never tried and convicted. The only way I could argue |
Exilednight |
Oct-02-11 10:23 PM |
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Because he was on the OTHER end of the emails. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 12:16 AM |
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You're arguing two different things. |
Robb |
Oct-02-11 07:57 AM |
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That's just the point. There were emails. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-03-11 10:37 AM |
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As I asked another DUer, why couldn't Obama simply extradite |
JDPriestly |
Oct-01-11 12:51 AM |
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Obama is now a true believer in |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-11 04:54 AM |
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Because the government of Yemen does not control parts of its territory? |
hack89 |
Oct-03-11 10:55 AM |
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Neither did Osama bin Laden. He managed to make quite a |
Flatulo |
Oct-01-11 11:51 AM |
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Last I checked bin Laden wasn't an American Citizen. |
FedUp_Queer |
Oct-01-11 02:30 PM |
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I was responding to the post that claimed that al-Awkli had no means |
Flatulo |
Oct-01-11 07:17 PM |
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Yeah, OBL had no means of waging war |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 12:20 AM |
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As long as they don't publicly declare that they intend to murder... |
Amonester |
Sep-30-11 06:16 PM |
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And when they set up shop in a lawless ME state where |
Flatulo |
Oct-01-11 11:50 AM |
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No you don't. You must be tried in a court of law for treason. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 07:25 AM |
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I emphatically agree. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Sep-30-11 11:02 AM |
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Eh. If your name was found in Benedict Arnold's papers, you got your house burned to the ground |
Robb |
Sep-30-11 11:57 AM |
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That was BEFORE there was a Constitution. n/t |
DeSwiss |
Sep-30-11 12:25 PM |
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Correct. (nt) |
Robb |
Sep-30-11 01:58 PM |
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And therein lies the crux of this entire debate. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Oct-01-11 10:55 AM |
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I don't romanticize the Revolution. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Sep-30-11 02:43 PM |
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Habeas corpus, one of the rights that this murder violated, |
JDPriestly |
Oct-01-11 12:56 AM |
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I didn't say anything about habeas corpus. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Oct-01-11 08:24 AM |
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That is the essence of habeas - the concept that every man deserves |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 12:28 AM |
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"US troops"??? Try again with your history lesson. |
WinkyDink |
Sep-30-11 05:21 PM |
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Yes, US troops. By 1780 the notion of the United States was well established. |
Robb |
Sep-30-11 05:30 PM |
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I'm aware that 1776 preceded 1780. The connection to B. Arnold? |
WinkyDink |
Oct-01-11 06:40 AM |
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I don't think anyone's civil rights are safe with you /nt |
Bragi |
Sep-30-11 07:26 AM |
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Even if he does "reliquish his citizenshiop" . . . |
markpkessinger |
Sep-30-11 07:38 AM |
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another thing the Obama Presidency is doing is mainstreaming Bushite stuff |
MisterP |
Sep-30-11 01:48 PM |
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+1 --- |
defendandprotect |
Sep-30-11 09:10 PM |
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Bush's arguments are repeated here all the time |
EFerrari |
Sep-30-11 10:48 PM |
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Yup, our elections have become little more than sporting events. |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Oct-01-11 12:53 AM |
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That is becuause pugthugs have taken over the dem party |
ooglymoogly |
Oct-01-11 11:01 AM |
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Or irony |
FedUp_Queer |
Oct-01-11 02:33 PM |
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+1000 |
RetroLounge |
Sep-30-11 11:44 PM |
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Sadly, |
chervilant |
Sep-30-11 02:52 PM |
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+1.....what you said. n/t |
louslobbs |
Sep-30-11 06:24 PM |
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+100000 |
emilyg |
Sep-30-11 10:33 PM |
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fail. |
Javaman |
Sep-30-11 09:47 AM |
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Do we get to use my definition of when you relinquish your citizenship? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-30-11 09:49 AM |
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Sep-30-11 09:58 AM |
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I must admit I can't work up too much outrage over this |
catbyte |
Sep-30-11 11:00 AM |
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Best hope a Republican President doesn't mis-identify YOU. |
WinkyDink |
Sep-30-11 05:22 PM |
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Ted Kennedy ended up on the "no fly" list -- had he not died he might have been assassinated ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-30-11 09:11 PM |
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the founding fathers can suck one too.. |
frylock |
Sep-30-11 11:02 AM |
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+1 n/t |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-30-11 06:39 PM |
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And that's just up to you? |
_ed_ |
Sep-30-11 12:25 PM |
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do you also relinquish your humanity? Where was the necessary indictment and due process? |
librechik |
Sep-30-11 12:49 PM |
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When did Awlaqi declare war on this country? Do you have |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-30-11 02:28 PM |
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+1 |
Muskypundit |
Sep-30-11 05:04 PM |
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One citizen cannot "declare war" on the United States. That is patently absurd. |
WinkyDink |
Sep-30-11 05:20 PM |
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Really? Where is it written and what is your proof? |
tblue |
Sep-30-11 08:57 PM |
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When Bush/Cheney did these things we rightly thought it was TREASON .... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-30-11 09:07 PM |
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I don't know the exact legal definition of treason, |
tblue |
Sep-30-11 09:20 PM |
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It's a matter of consciousness raising .... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-30-11 09:37 PM |
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Yup. Join the other side in a war and plot against your country, you should be looking over |
TwilightGardener |
Sep-30-11 09:08 PM |
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Actually, no. In fact, we have LAWS governing the relinquishing of one's citizenship. |
FedUp_Queer |
Sep-30-11 10:13 PM |
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Reading that it sounds like the last section 2385 comes closest to |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 12:39 AM |
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And when your President decides that to be the case |
obxhead |
Oct-01-11 01:55 AM |
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Maybe in your world |
tavalon |
Oct-01-11 04:45 AM |
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94,000+ Americans killed by the government without a trial |
whistler162 |
Oct-01-11 06:03 AM |
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How many fools does it take to screw in a light bulb? nwat |
ooglymoogly |
Oct-01-11 10:52 AM |
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He relinquished his citzenship rights. |
Windy |
Sep-30-11 06:35 AM |
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What do you think is the most compelling evidence against him? |
jpgray |
Sep-30-11 06:38 AM |
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the fact that he was on the list |
Enrique |
Sep-30-11 06:40 AM |
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Easy answer. The emails between him and the British Airways plotters. |
Robb |
Sep-30-11 07:57 AM |
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The public fatwa he issued against a female cartoonist? The evidence in the Stephen Timmns' |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:17 AM |
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What part of this do you not understand? |
trumad |
Sep-30-11 06:40 AM |
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And he got his due process of law under the AUMF of 9/18/01. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:43 AM |
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Oh yeah? Then I would imagine that you could get an indictment with no problem then. |
TheKentuckian |
Sep-30-11 06:43 AM |
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Bingo and that's the point. |
trumad |
Sep-30-11 06:45 AM |
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Yemen has the right to hunt fugitives. He didn't show for his Yemen murder charges. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:29 AM |
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so using your logic, the US should drone-attack every person in the world who doesn't show up for |
stockholmer |
Sep-30-11 10:05 AM |
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No. The US should target SDGTs and break Al-Qaeda. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 10:52 AM |
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break al-Qaeda? lolol, they are really 'breaking them' by putting them in charge of Libya |
stockholmer |
Sep-30-11 11:27 AM |
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Yemen didn't waste him, we did. Smarter clandestine services and an Administration |
TheKentuckian |
Sep-30-11 06:01 PM |
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Well-said. |
closeupready |
Sep-30-11 04:04 PM |
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Our President has placed himself above the law, just like his predecessor. |
sad sally |
Sep-30-11 05:26 PM |
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should have been a piece of cake to arrest and indict him then, right? |
piratefish08 |
Sep-30-11 06:50 AM |
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Again---what part do you not understand? |
trumad |
Sep-30-11 07:00 AM |
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He got his due process when he didn't show for his murder charge in Yemen. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:45 AM |
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Are you kidding? Yemen? Do you know what is going on there |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-30-11 02:37 PM |
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they are truly stupid, aren't they? we all have gps in our cell phones, |
StarsInHerHair |
Sep-30-11 07:08 PM |
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That's a bullish reply and you know it is |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Oct-02-11 10:13 AM |
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Did he ever renounce his US Citizenship? Why not try him for Treason in a court of law? |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 07:26 AM |
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No, he didn't "relinquish his citizenship rights" . . . |
markpkessinger |
Sep-30-11 08:00 AM |
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Then you're sickened by the rule of law, then |
_ed_ |
Sep-30-11 12:27 PM |
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reccomend... |
madrchsod |
Sep-30-11 01:47 PM |
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+1 |
ooglymoogly |
Sep-30-11 02:11 PM |
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+1 |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Oct-01-11 02:18 AM |
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PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-11 05:15 AM |
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You hit it right on the head. |
bighart |
Oct-03-11 10:59 AM |
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+1 |
CopingBarker |
Sep-30-11 12:44 PM |
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Really? Which Americans? Where? How? With What? |
2banon |
Sep-30-11 05:10 PM |
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Yea, I really dont get it either. |
Muskypundit |
Sep-30-11 05:21 PM |
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With that logic, couldn't American presidents rightfullly be targeted for |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Oct-01-11 01:27 AM |
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If they didn't quietly go along with Wall Street theft |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-11 05:19 AM |
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To believe he tried to kill many many americans, |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-11 05:09 AM |
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Poor, poor al-Awlaki...nt |
SidDithers |
Sep-30-11 06:38 AM |
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I'm sorry, but really? nt |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-30-11 01:00 PM |
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Poor poor US Constitution |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Oct-02-11 10:17 AM |
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This has a way of snowballing. But, it's hardly unprecedented. |
leveymg |
Sep-30-11 06:41 AM |
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i don't doubt it, but... |
Enrique |
Sep-30-11 06:43 AM |
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The first Predator drone/Hellfire missile casualty was a US Citizen, for one. |
leveymg |
Sep-30-11 06:53 AM |
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Is that the right article? |
bananas |
Sep-30-11 07:36 AM |
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Read down to the second or third para. |
leveymg |
Sep-30-11 08:04 AM |
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That is incorrect |
RZM |
Sep-30-11 08:35 AM |
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Kamal Derwish, a USC, was in the vehicle targeted in the Nov 05, '02 Predator strike. |
leveymg |
Sep-30-11 11:13 AM |
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Atef died in 2001. According to your info Derwish died in 2002. |
RZM |
Sep-30-11 11:31 AM |
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I misread the year. You're right - Atef 11/01 and Derwish 11/02. |
leveymg |
Sep-30-11 11:38 AM |
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Thanks. I agree that it doesn't affect your argument. |
RZM |
Sep-30-11 11:40 AM |
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It is one thing to kill and pass it off as casualties of war. |
ooglymoogly |
Sep-30-11 02:32 PM |
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finally a smart assessment |
StarsInHerHair |
Sep-30-11 07:14 PM |
#266 |
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a drone bomb here and a drone bomb there |
court jester |
Sep-30-11 06:45 AM |
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That detached, vacant stare says it all. |
drokhole |
Sep-30-11 01:09 PM |
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A look of pure boredom. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 12:53 AM |
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exactly |
StarsInHerHair |
Sep-30-11 07:15 PM |
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The constitutional scholar strikes again. Oh, I meant Obama - he certainly |
seaglass |
Sep-30-11 06:49 AM |
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Didn't he just yesterday or the day before lecture Cuba |
EFerrari |
Sep-30-11 06:57 AM |
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The legal backing is the AUMF of 9/18/01. The ACLU agrees. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:36 AM |
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Of course. I have already learned that a President can torture people with legal cover and zero |
seaglass |
Sep-30-11 09:25 AM |
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+1 -- and now it's a bit clearer why Obama saw no need to prosecute Bush/Cheney --- !! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-30-11 09:16 PM |
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John Yoo approves this message |
Supersedeas |
Sep-30-11 09:54 PM |
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The ACLU certainly does NOT agree!!! |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 12:01 PM |
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You have no idea what you're talking about |
_ed_ |
Sep-30-11 12:30 PM |
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The ACLU didn't challenge the merits of the law, only the process. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 12:51 PM |
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The Nazi concentration camps were legal, too. Didn't make them RIGHT. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 12:56 AM |
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Sep-30-11 07:00 AM |
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"at least given a trial and appeals and the other trappings of due process before being killed" |
TacticalPeek |
Sep-30-11 07:06 AM |
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Secret Courts + Wall-to-Wall Wiretapping + Summary Executions = Police State |
Octafish |
Sep-30-11 07:08 AM |
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You don't really know what a police state is |
Inuca |
Sep-30-11 07:17 AM |
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So what if it's not like East Germany or wherever? Read''Friendly Fascism'' by Bertram Gross. |
Octafish |
Sep-30-11 07:30 AM |
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For the first 23 years of life |
Inuca |
Sep-30-11 10:13 AM |
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Do you REALLY think this site is not being monitored right now? nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:01 AM |
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yet somehow you are able to still say we live in a police state |
zappaman |
Sep-30-11 12:21 PM |
#165 |
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Like in a police state people would be watching what you say. |
Octafish |
Sep-30-11 01:19 PM |
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Neither, apparently, do you. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Sep-30-11 02:22 PM |
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We have the highest percentage of the population incarcerated |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:00 AM |
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I want to be on record... Killing terrorists is not against the ideals of all liberals. |
Syrinx |
Sep-30-11 07:13 AM |
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I don't know...maybe it's me...but aren't Liberals for the Constitution of the United States? |
trumad |
Sep-30-11 07:14 AM |
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he gave up his citizenship when he declared war against America |
Syrinx |
Sep-30-11 07:20 AM |
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He did? |
trumad |
Sep-30-11 07:21 AM |
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Article 3 Section 3 of the constitution says that waging war against the government... |
Syrinx |
Sep-30-11 07:46 AM |
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Tell us how what you propose or support is even REMOTELY constitutional. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Sep-30-11 08:05 AM |
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Wrong law--targeted killing of terrorists is permitted under the AUMF of 9/18/01. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:11 AM |
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ANYTHING is permitted under AUMF using your rationale |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 10:08 AM |
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No. Targeted killing of SDGTs is, though. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 10:38 AM |
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Nothing is forbidden |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 11:10 AM |
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You love your fucking acronyms. SDGT? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:10 AM |
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will you have such a hard-on for AUMF when president perry is wielding it? |
frylock |
Sep-30-11 01:23 PM |
#183 |
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Tell ya' what--I'll be voting for Obama, so President Perry won't be my fault. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 03:59 PM |
#211 |
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it really won't matter who is at fault.. |
frylock |
Sep-30-11 04:29 PM |
#223 |
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It's not whether Perry will be your fault -- it's whether your trust is misplaced --- |
defendandprotect |
Sep-30-11 09:23 PM |
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No, it says giving allegience to a foreign government and waging war |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:09 AM |
#371 |
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Bullshit. Did he renounce his citizenship? if not he is still a US ctizen. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 07:30 AM |
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It's not extrajudicial. It's been the law for 10 years in this country. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 07:55 AM |
#46 |
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You mean Bush's BS laws? Fuck that noise. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 08:01 AM |
#49 |
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You mean the laws passed with overwhelming Democratic support? Laws reviewed and passed by SCOTUS? |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:07 AM |
#52 |
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No US Citizen can be deprived of his rights without due process of law. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 08:08 AM |
#53 |
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Ok. Again, tell us what his due is? Cite the law that says he gets a 'trial' and a 'jury of his |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:23 AM |
#60 |
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It's called the CONSTITUION, read it. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 08:27 AM |
#62 |
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Cite the Constitution where it says you get a 'jury of your peers?' |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:34 AM |
#67 |
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The 6th Amendment: |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 08:49 AM |
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Cite 'jury of your peers.' Further, he didn't show for his Yemen murder charges. Yemen has the |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:59 AM |
#84 |
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The US constitution supercedes statutory law, so AUMF is irrelevent. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 09:21 AM |
#91 |
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I don't think you understand my question--you haven't defined HOW the statute violates the |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 09:52 AM |
#102 |
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AUMF contains no process |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 09:57 AM |
#105 |
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The Grand Jury Clause doesn't apply to military targets or actions. It's not even adopted by a |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 10:37 AM |
#125 |
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The Grand Jury Clause certainly does apply |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 11:09 AM |
#140 |
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No. It doesn't. Read Ex parte Quirin. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 12:47 PM |
#175 |
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What the hell does Yemen have to do with all of that? |
Fool Count |
Sep-30-11 10:02 AM |
#108 |
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Laws are always subject to constraint by the constitution |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 09:02 AM |
#86 |
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You need to do a little more reading. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 09:18 AM |
#90 |
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Everything required is in the first clause of the 5th Amendment |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 09:46 AM |
#98 |
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The Grand Jury Clause doesn't apply to military targets or actions. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 10:35 AM |
#124 |
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It's clearly extrajudicial |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 10:06 AM |
#112 |
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You do realize that judicial review happened there? The case was thrown out because of lack of |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 10:51 AM |
#129 |
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you want to go on record in support of bush's draconian laws?! |
frylock |
Sep-30-11 11:09 AM |
#139 |
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I want to go on record saying this--too bad Bush didn't use the bipartisan-passed AUMF |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 04:02 PM |
#214 |
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USAPATRIOT was also bipartisan-passed |
frylock |
Sep-30-11 05:34 PM |
#236 |
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you've certainly avoided my question |
frylock |
Sep-30-11 06:44 PM |
#259 |
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I want to go on record as saying Obama/Biden = Bush/Cheney. |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Oct-01-11 01:36 AM |
#320 |
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Why don't you define how his assassination does NOT violate |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-30-11 02:31 PM |
#200 |
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First, tell me which International or Domestic law you think was violated? |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 04:05 PM |
#216 |
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What is the AUMF? |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Sep-30-11 03:11 PM |
#208 |
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AUMF = Authorization for the Use of Military Force, or bullshit as I call it. SDGT? No clue. n/t |
Mnemosyne |
Sep-30-11 08:50 PM |
#274 |
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According to that trusted legal scholar, Dr. Google Machine, |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Oct-01-11 02:50 PM |
#352 |
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How do you try someone living in, and directing terrorism attacks from, a foreign land |
Schema Thing |
Sep-30-11 08:34 AM |
#66 |
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He didn't show up for his Yemen murder charges, either, a fact people here ignore, nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:37 AM |
#70 |
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So? Now US is supposed to kill every fugitive in the world? |
Fool Count |
Sep-30-11 10:05 AM |
#110 |
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No. Just the ones that try to bring down airliners or send PETN bombs. That'll be a busy |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 04:00 PM |
#212 |
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You can't, but that does not give you any right to assasinate him. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 08:51 AM |
#82 |
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True, but it does give you the right to kill him. |
Schema Thing |
Sep-30-11 08:54 AM |
#83 |
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Who said he was 'directing terrorism attacks'? He was here in the US |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-30-11 02:34 PM |
#202 |
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What the hell are you talking about? He was not 'here' 2 years ago. He left the US in 2002. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 04:07 PM |
#217 |
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His giving up his citizenship somehow created a situation in which the US Constitution is no longer |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 08:46 AM |
#77 |
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It doesn't say "citizen." |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Sep-30-11 11:13 AM |
#143 |
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No PERSON shall be deprived... |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:07 AM |
#370 |
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Can you tell us how this violates the due process outlined in the AUMF of 9/18/01? |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 07:53 AM |
#45 |
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There is no process outlined in the AUMF of 9/18/01 |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 10:14 AM |
#117 |
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Well, if you really think that, it's too bad Al-awlaki didn't avail himself of the courts |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 10:56 AM |
#134 |
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You don't agree that there is no process established by the AUMF? |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 11:11 AM |
#142 |
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Ghastly. I feel like I'm in a twilight zone. |
tblue |
Sep-30-11 09:31 PM |
#291 |
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Objecting to extra judicial killing is not pacifism or |
EFerrari |
Sep-30-11 07:17 AM |
#27 |
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Yep... |
trumad |
Sep-30-11 07:20 AM |
#29 |
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he did not object to certain policies of our government |
Syrinx |
Sep-30-11 07:22 AM |
#33 |
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So you want to not only shred the Constitution but Geneva |
EFerrari |
Sep-30-11 07:27 AM |
#38 |
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Yemen has the right to hunt fugitives. He didn't show for his Yemen charges. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:16 AM |
#57 |
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2000 years of Western Civilization and you're arguing for execution without trial. |
EFerrari |
Sep-30-11 11:30 AM |
#149 |
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At what specific point does an allegedly traitorous citizen lose his citizenship? |
Ignis |
Sep-30-11 05:52 PM |
#238 |
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Targeted killing is Constitutional. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:25 AM |
#61 |
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Sure, it is. It directly follows from |
Fool Count |
Sep-30-11 10:09 AM |
#114 |
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If the Congress passes it, the President signs it, and the SCOTUS reviews it? |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 04:09 PM |
#218 |
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targeted killing is constitutional |
frylock |
Sep-30-11 11:13 AM |
#145 |
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Yeah, |
chervilant |
Sep-30-11 03:30 PM |
#209 |
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me too, I cant stand a dumbo who just isnt bright enough to see the target |
StarsInHerHair |
Sep-30-11 07:23 PM |
#268 |
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Anwar al-Awlaki's extrajudicial murder |
EFerrari |
Sep-30-11 01:31 PM |
#185 |
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this has been happening in my nightmares, people walking down a street |
StarsInHerHair |
Sep-30-11 07:26 PM |
#269 |
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Thank you. Jesus. When did Bush's "pre-emptive defense" theories become DU gospel? |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 09:40 AM |
#96 |
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They issued us this set of pom-poms and by God, we're gonna use them. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-30-11 09:54 AM |
#104 |
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Hear, hear! n/t |
Mnemosyne |
Sep-30-11 08:51 PM |
#275 |
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Sep-30-11 07:43 AM |
#43 |
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Due process should be. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-30-11 09:53 AM |
#103 |
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How about killing propagandists? THIS guy was a propagandist |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:05 AM |
#369 |
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Factual error on your part |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Oct-02-11 10:23 AM |
#388 |
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Horrifying. The Imperial Presidency has become an uncontrolable monster! |
Odin2005 |
Sep-30-11 07:23 AM |
#34 |
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+1 |
pecwae |
Sep-30-11 02:22 PM |
#197 |
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Think about this: EVEN if you think President Obama can be trusted with such powers ... |
markpkessinger |
Sep-30-11 08:09 AM |
#55 |
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No one can be trusted with such powers. Not Perry, not Obama, not even Ralph fucking Nader. |
Puregonzo1188 |
Sep-30-11 08:44 AM |
#74 |
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I absolutely agree .... |
markpkessinger |
Sep-30-11 09:01 AM |
#85 |
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Thank you. |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-11 05:33 AM |
#331 |
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Most Americans don't care, as long as they can drive their SUVs. |
krabigirl |
Oct-01-11 12:58 PM |
#348 |
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Absolutely disgusting. I am at a loss for words. Murdering citizens without trial is a new low even |
Puregonzo1188 |
Sep-30-11 08:16 AM |
#58 |
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He was charged in Yemen. Didn't show. Yemen does not have to suffer our citizens murdering |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:28 AM |
#63 |
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Well they didn't kill him with a drone strike, we did. |
Puregonzo1188 |
Sep-30-11 08:43 AM |
#73 |
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A "successful joint intelligence-sharing operation" according to Yemen. They claimed it. |
msanthrope |
Sep-30-11 08:51 AM |
#81 |
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You are aware the Yemeni government has a history of claiming responsibility for our dirty deeds |
Puregonzo1188 |
Sep-30-11 09:03 AM |
#87 |
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So you'd be OK with Iran sending people over here to murder the three hikers |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:15 AM |
#373 |
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What is new here exactly? |
treestar |
Sep-30-11 08:30 AM |
#65 |
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Was Osama bin Laden a US citizen? |
Puregonzo1188 |
Sep-30-11 08:44 AM |
#75 |
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So being a US citizen should be a license to kill? |
Schema Thing |
Sep-30-11 08:49 AM |
#78 |
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No, but it does unquestionably entitle someone to say constitutional rights. |
Puregonzo1188 |
Sep-30-11 09:04 AM |
#88 |
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No, but what difference does it make? |
treestar |
Sep-30-11 09:09 AM |
#89 |
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Oh, right. Assassination is now okay, because we did it to Bin Laden. On to the next killing. |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 12:54 PM |
#178 |
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That's the way it looks. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:21 AM |
#375 |
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OBL was just as bad. He, and we, deserved a trial. He was IN CUSTODY - |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:19 AM |
#374 |
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Sadly this is the truth |
malaise |
Sep-30-11 08:42 AM |
#71 |
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Due Process or Don't they? |
malthaussen |
Sep-30-11 08:50 AM |
#80 |
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It's telling the arguments in favor are, "Bush-era 9/11 laws make it legal." Meaning, "we no longer |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 10:48 AM |
#127 |
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A dangerous man is dead,that is a good thing. |
Swede |
Sep-30-11 09:29 AM |
#93 |
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Which, in effect, amounts to "the end justifies the means" ... |
markpkessinger |
Sep-30-11 12:01 PM |
#159 |
| -
Really? |
watajob |
Sep-30-11 10:38 PM |
#297 |
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LOL |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:23 AM |
#376 |
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The callousness & hyprocrisy is stunning. Not only unconstitutional, but we'd condemn ANY country |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 09:33 AM |
#94 |
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Sep-30-11 09:36 AM |
#95 |
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No. Unfortunately, way too many DUer's are enjoying the instant |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-30-11 09:50 AM |
#101 |
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This is |
ProSense |
Sep-30-11 09:59 AM |
#107 |
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Sep-30-11 10:05 AM |
#111 |
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Sure |
ProSense |
Sep-30-11 10:10 AM |
#115 |
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If you don't understand the difference between a foreign terrorist |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-30-11 12:04 PM |
#161 |
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I dunno, Lincoln killed plenty of American citizens without due process...NT |
Elmergantry |
Sep-30-11 06:48 PM |
#262 |
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Sep-30-11 07:32 PM |
#270 |
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Weak sauce, Pro. |
theaocp |
Sep-30-11 07:09 PM |
#265 |
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He CAN'T have a heart attack. At this point, he could only suffer |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:31 AM |
#378 |
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Selective memory there. I remember a LOT of discussion about |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:29 AM |
#377 |
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The notion that 9/11 put the Constitution on hold is Bush/Cheney ideology, and a lie. Why any Dem or |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 10:16 AM |
#118 |
| -
Exactly. When Russians poisoned that Litvinenko guy with |
Fool Count |
Sep-30-11 10:21 AM |
#120 |
| -
Ding ding ding...youve hit the nail on the head. Hypocrisy in |
OwnedByFerrets |
Sep-30-11 07:54 PM |
#273 |
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Of course. Or one of ours? Can Canada launch a missile at Cheney? |
DirkGently |
Oct-01-11 01:00 AM |
#318 |
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The killing of a terrorist is now a reality |
ProSense |
Sep-30-11 09:41 AM |
#97 |
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Due Process is so 18th Century |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 10:23 AM |
#121 |
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Al-Awlaki was actually indicted in two countries last year. |
Robb |
Sep-30-11 10:18 AM |
#119 |
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Of course, an indictment is NOT a trial. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:35 AM |
#379 |
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You know who else were American citizens. |
AngkorWot |
Sep-30-11 10:24 AM |
#122 |
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Funny---but so were the Union Soldiers. |
trumad |
Sep-30-11 10:49 AM |
#128 |
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+1 |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-30-11 12:06 PM |
#162 |
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True... true... |
AngkorWot |
Sep-30-11 04:28 PM |
#222 |
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Wondering when someone would bring it up |
Elmergantry |
Sep-30-11 06:44 PM |
#258 |
| -
So, like, now it's legal to assassinate the Wall St. protesters at will? |
Zorra |
Sep-30-11 10:33 AM |
#123 |
| -
I heard they're terrorist sympathizers who once met a 9/11 hijacker for tea. Let the missiles fly. |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 10:55 AM |
#132 |
| -
I second that lamentation. |
Jamastiene |
Oct-01-11 12:50 PM |
#344 |
| -
Obama: A Disaster for Civil Liberties |
G_j |
Sep-30-11 10:53 AM |
#131 |
| -
Turley's being hurriedly stuffed the bus, I see. Getting crowded down there. |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 10:55 AM |
#133 |
| -
Speaking of the Nuremberg Trials |
MNBrewer |
Sep-30-11 11:54 AM |
#157 |
| -
Now it seems like we're determined to show the opposite. Another murder cheered amid waving torches. |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 12:39 PM |
#173 |
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Excellent point. Justice and revenge are two separate things. n/t |
xocet |
Sep-30-11 05:05 PM |
#225 |
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I think this case is clearly separating the wheat from the chaff. |
tblue |
Sep-30-11 09:05 PM |
#281 |
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a terrorist gets smoked and greenwald fills a pamper. now that's what you call a two-fer. |
dionysus |
Sep-30-11 10:58 AM |
#135 |
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Extrajudicial killings are okay when our guy does it! |
Feron |
Sep-30-11 11:20 AM |
#147 |
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Given that only the killings considered good P.R. are even revealed, who knows who's being targeted? |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 11:37 AM |
#151 |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Sep-30-11 03:52 PM |
#210 |
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Same here. |
Jamastiene |
Oct-01-11 12:53 PM |
#345 |
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Which is, of course, the result the trolls want. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:42 AM |
#380 |
| -
+100 |
stockholmer |
Sep-30-11 11:37 AM |
#152 |
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+1000000000 |
StarsInHerHair |
Sep-30-11 07:43 PM |
#271 |
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K&R for Greenwald. |
bvar22 |
Sep-30-11 11:19 AM |
#146 |
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Extra-judicial killing is what Al-queda...and the USA does. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-30-11 11:39 AM |
#154 |
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Unfortunately, the notion that the response to evil is to become evil isn't a new one. |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 11:46 AM |
#156 |
| -
The tragic truth. |
chill_wind |
Sep-30-11 02:51 PM |
#206 |
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As Hitler said "To defeat us they will have to become us." |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 01:44 AM |
#381 |
| -
Greenwald's apoplexy is contrived and convenient. |
madamesilverspurs |
Sep-30-11 12:14 PM |
#163 |
| -
Did you read that in your crystal ball? |
_ed_ |
Sep-30-11 12:34 PM |
#171 |
| -
more likely read from their crystal meth |
frylock |
Sep-30-11 04:27 PM |
#221 |
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Do you have a response the substance of the piece? |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-11 12:38 PM |
#172 |
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I'm thinking it would be along the lines of |
Puglover |
Sep-30-11 05:56 PM |
#240 |
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We have got to do better than this. |
DirkGently |
Oct-01-11 12:47 AM |
#313 |
| -
K&R |
Solly Mack |
Sep-30-11 12:16 PM |
#164 |
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Oops...dupe. |
KoKo |
Sep-30-11 02:17 PM |
#195 |
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Thanks Solly. It's a good time, indeed to reread that letter... |
KoKo |
Sep-30-11 02:17 PM |
#196 |
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So true... |
chervilant |
Sep-30-11 04:02 PM |
#213 |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Sep-30-11 12:23 PM |
#166 |
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I think Glen really means well, but there are a few problems with his theory..... |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-30-11 12:59 PM |
#179 |
| -
Here is the list |
stevenleser |
Oct-01-11 06:32 AM |
#335 |
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Hard to believe many on this of all sites, can be so deadly myopic. |
ooglymoogly |
Sep-30-11 01:29 PM |
#184 |
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sad isn`t it......... |
madrchsod |
Sep-30-11 01:50 PM |
#188 |
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Erect bogeyman. Wave flag. Send in the assassins. Announce victory. Works every time. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-30-11 01:52 PM |
#190 |
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That is how they do it in the movies. How could it not work out well?? n/t |
xocet |
Sep-30-11 05:16 PM |
#227 |
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"We've always been at war with Eurasia." |
Ignis |
Sep-30-11 05:54 PM |
#239 |
| -
+1 |
Marr |
Sep-30-11 05:17 PM |
#228 |
| -
K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Sep-30-11 01:51 PM |
#189 |
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Lots of Senior Officials Spilling State Secrets Today |
chill_wind |
Sep-30-11 02:48 PM |
#205 |
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Sep-30-11 04:16 PM |
#219 |
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You didn't expect them to NOT use the post-9/11 laws they wrote for themselves, did you? |
blkmusclmachine |
Sep-30-11 04:22 PM |
#220 |
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Sep-30-11 05:19 PM |
#229 |
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Sep-30-11 06:01 PM |
#242 |
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+1 nt |
abelenkpe |
Sep-30-11 06:15 PM |
#243 |
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Their support |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-30-11 06:30 PM |
#252 |
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This is deeply disturbing. |
democrank |
Sep-30-11 06:18 PM |
#245 |
| -
He had it coming |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-30-11 06:26 PM |
#249 |
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I'd rather be in the dirty laundry, in the worn brassiere. n/t |
louslobbs |
Sep-30-11 06:32 PM |
#253 |
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+1 not for those who haven't done anything wrong. This will only happen to people who are bad or |
louslobbs |
Sep-30-11 06:29 PM |
#251 |
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This decision of Obamas scares me in ways |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Oct-01-11 02:23 AM |
#324 |
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We are truly fucked! |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-30-11 06:21 PM |
#247 |
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Because we're not into a totalitarian nightmare already? |
Amonester |
Sep-30-11 06:29 PM |
#250 |
| -
Maybe I should have written |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-30-11 06:33 PM |
#254 |
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Yeah, I wish the Founding Fathers had foreseen the whole corrupt mess |
Amonester |
Sep-30-11 06:47 PM |
#261 |
| -
Too bad. They could have written us a constitution or something |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-02-11 02:00 AM |
#382 |
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My whole problem with drones |
abelenkpe |
Sep-30-11 06:41 PM |
#257 |
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Fuck off, Greenwald. |
Major Hogwash |
Sep-30-11 06:45 PM |
#260 |
| -
Not surprising |
pmorlan1 |
Sep-30-11 11:19 PM |
#302 |
| -
Wow. Right wingers just love Obama now. |
krabigirl |
Oct-01-11 12:56 PM |
#347 |
| -
they'll keep cheering til a missile hits 1 of them or their family, then.... |
StarsInHerHair |
Sep-30-11 06:59 PM |
#263 |
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Absurd analogies don't lead to truth. Why should reasonable person |
bluestate10 |
Sep-30-11 11:58 PM |
#311 |
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Thank you Mr Greenwald...you are correct, however, its been |
OwnedByFerrets |
Sep-30-11 07:49 PM |
#272 |
| -
It is out in the open now |
Harmony Blue |
Sep-30-11 08:57 PM |
#278 |
| -
Just as they have been condition to believe in torture....if its |
OwnedByFerrets |
Oct-01-11 10:30 PM |
#357 |
| -
Obama is a disaster --- |
defendandprotect |
Sep-30-11 09:00 PM |
#279 |
| -
The next Bush has this power, as does every other president from now on |
saras |
Sep-30-11 09:16 PM |
#287 |
| -
The day will come when |
emilyg |
Sep-30-11 10:42 PM |
#298 |
| -
I regret it now |
pmorlan1 |
Sep-30-11 11:21 PM |
#303 |
| -
Unbelievable. |
pmorlan1 |
Sep-30-11 11:15 PM |
#301 |
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Glenn, Glenn, Glenn. Your thinking is so... 2006. It all doesn't matter now. nt |
ProgressIn2008 |
Sep-30-11 11:22 PM |
#304 |
| -
US Laws of War here |
StarsInHerHair |
Sep-30-11 11:42 PM |
#306 |
| -
In this case, the argument really doesn't apply |
The Traveler |
Sep-30-11 11:45 PM |
#308 |
| -
The supreme court has ruled that renouncing citizenship does not equal giving up |
Exilednight |
Oct-01-11 05:53 AM |
#333 |
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Wow the crazy talk in this thread is as scary as and right wing forum. D: |
pam4water |
Sep-30-11 11:45 PM |
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Sep-30-11 11:53 PM |
#310 |
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K & R - seeing exactly this kind of BushCo "reasoning" |
Raksha |
Oct-01-11 12:24 AM |
#312 |
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Maybe I'm getting more pragmatic in my old age, but |
Flatulo |
Oct-01-11 02:06 AM |
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I can't imagine explaining to innocents |
trumad |
Oct-01-11 02:36 PM |
#351 |
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It's not an easy call. If I could have prevented the 9/11 attacks |
Flatulo |
Oct-01-11 07:22 PM |
#355 |
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Americans love violence and killing, as long as the people killed are brown. |
krabigirl |
Oct-01-11 12:54 PM |
#346 |
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Nonsense. We've killed millions of Caucasians. nt |
Flatulo |
Oct-01-11 08:18 PM |
#356 |
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"no evidence except unverified government accusations" and remember, Saddam has WMD's |
L. Coyote |
Oct-01-11 11:12 PM |
#358 |
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Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours |
L. Coyote |
Oct-01-11 11:13 PM |
#359 |
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Yeah, I hate that line,too. K, anyhow. |
Desertrose |
Oct-02-11 12:46 AM |
#364 |
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Good idea, get rid of the time limit and allow recs to keep threads afloat! |
L. Coyote |
Oct-02-11 09:56 AM |
#385 |
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