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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:52 PM
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13. A lot of valuable time was wasted on the healthcare bill, that is true...
and it permitted the Repubs the time to regroup after the stock market rallied and they saw that the economy was not going to crash like they thought it was in January of 2009. The moment was missed. The opportunity was lost.
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  -What do you think would have happened? kentuck  Sep-29-11 04:33 PM   #0 
  - What would have happened? No stimulus. No Wall Street reform bill.  TheWraith   Sep-29-11 04:37 PM   #1 
  - Do you mean?  kentuck   Sep-29-11 04:43 PM   #4 
  - So true, sadly. nt  AverageJoe90   Sep-30-11 01:05 PM   #62 
  - That's silly. You say if he had grown a pair that he would have lost all public support  ThomWV   Sep-30-11 01:09 PM   #63 
     - He HAD public support. It meant fuck-all, because the public doesn't vote in Congress.  TheWraith   Sep-30-11 01:11 PM   #64 
  - The dems would still have both the senate and the house. n/t  RKP5637   Sep-29-11 04:41 PM   #2 
  - +1  leftstreet   Sep-29-11 04:43 PM   #3 
  - And we would all be better for it. n/t  Horse with no Name   Sep-29-11 05:54 PM   #14 
  - Bingo! (NT)  Tesha   Sep-29-11 07:26 PM   #29 
  - +1  myrna minx   Sep-30-11 12:42 PM   #58 
  - Then Obama would not have gotten what he wanted  MannyGoldstein   Sep-29-11 04:43 PM   #5 
  - They Would Have Filibustered Everything and Nothing Would Have Passed At All  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 04:51 PM   #6 
  - Do you actually believe?  kentuck   Sep-29-11 04:53 PM   #7 
  - Nonetheless, The Republicans DID Filibuster  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 05:47 PM   #12 
     - A lot of valuable time was wasted on the healthcare bill, that is true...  kentuck   Sep-29-11 05:52 PM   #13 
        - The Opportunity Never Really Existed  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 06:04 PM   #17 
           - No, we should not have given up on health care...  kentuck   Sep-29-11 06:08 PM   #19 
           - We Woulda Got Nothing  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 06:30 PM   #27 
           - Yes, the ALL-POWERFUL Republicans--bow before their mighty wrath  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 10:30 AM   #52 
           - Funny You Should Mention Blackmail  AndyTiedye   Sep-30-11 12:45 PM   #59 
              - And why DON'T the Democrats?  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 02:25 PM   #66 
           - and sometimes "nothing" is better than a damaging  newspeak   Oct-02-11 12:23 PM   #81 
           - "We should have insisted on a single payer or public option " how can you ignore the fact that  dionysus   Sep-30-11 12:30 PM   #55 
           - you mean the health INSURANCE bill  newspeak   Oct-02-11 12:02 PM   #78 
  - If all the naysayers here are right that nothing would have gotten done ...  dtexdem   Sep-29-11 04:57 PM   #9 
     - Of Course Elections Matter  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 05:54 PM   #15 
        - You may as well give up... it ain't gonna happen.  kentuck   Sep-29-11 05:56 PM   #16 
           - It Has Happened Before  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 06:20 PM   #22 
  - Screw what the Rethugs would have done.  dtexdem   Sep-29-11 04:55 PM   #8 
  - Well at that point in time he had a hell of a lot of support.  truedelphi   Sep-29-11 05:04 PM   #10 
  - I think he had all the support he needed to pass whatever he thought necessary...  kentuck   Sep-29-11 05:28 PM   #11 
  - That Did Not Stop Them From Filibustering Everything  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 06:05 PM   #18 
  - And if Obama had played his cards right (assuming he even wanted to)  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-29-11 06:14 PM   #21 
     - Has That Ever Actually Worked Before?  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 06:25 PM   #25 
        - Yes, Reagan's tax cuts and raised military budget  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-29-11 09:15 PM   #32 
        - Has It Ever Worked Before for a Democrat?  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 09:22 PM   #33 
        - Obama could have bypassed the mass media by activating the volunteers  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-29-11 10:11 PM   #39 
           - He Actually Did That Recently, Generated a Lot of Phone Calls  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 10:58 PM   #43 
              - On what issue?  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-29-11 11:05 PM   #44 
                 - I noticed you got no answer.  U4ikLefty   Oct-02-11 12:07 PM   #80 
        - yeah, but it is easier to pass anything in congress when it comes to monied interest  newspeak   Oct-02-11 12:07 PM   #79 
        - But here is what the real difference between FDR and Obama -  truedelphi   Sep-30-11 02:26 AM   #47 
           - If FDR Had Had to Work With This Congress and Todays Media, There Would Have Been NO "New Deal"  AndyTiedye   Sep-30-11 12:35 PM   #56 
              - Obama's own election disproves what you are saying -  truedelphi   Sep-30-11 01:04 PM   #61 
              - What FDR and Obama have in common....  loyalsister   Sep-30-11 02:33 PM   #70 
  - That's not true  treestar   Sep-29-11 06:23 PM   #24 
  - The bank bailouts was only one of two times I ever saw the right-wing and left-wing commentators  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-29-11 06:11 PM   #20 
     - You said it. People I know made major life decisions thinking we won, and the banks would be fixed.  saras   Sep-29-11 07:06 PM   #28 
     - Actually, I think the tea party might not even exist today if it had been  RKP5637   Sep-29-11 07:31 PM   #30 
        - There Would Still Have Been Plenty of Racist Gits to Stir Up Into a "Teaparty"  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 09:25 PM   #35 
        - Definitely! They used to wear robes. Some just love racism in this  RKP5637   Sep-29-11 09:28 PM   #36 
           - The Robes Can be a Fire Hazard  AndyTiedye   Sep-29-11 10:55 PM   #42 
              - LOL  RKP5637   Sep-29-11 11:17 PM   #45 
        - The points that you are making rather confirm that  truedelphi   Sep-30-11 02:44 AM   #49 
           - Yep, agree, it morphed into "an attack dog on any and everything to  RKP5637   Sep-30-11 06:30 AM   #51 
              - A very strange phenomena indeed.  truedelphi   Sep-30-11 12:58 PM   #60 
                 - Yep, much like branding in a marketing campaign, do whatever it  RKP5637   Sep-30-11 02:03 PM   #65 
     - So very very downhill.  truedelphi   Sep-30-11 02:41 AM   #48 
  - What is different in what he did say?  treestar   Sep-29-11 06:22 PM   #23 
  - Well...he didn't...and while hopeful...I tend to think it might be a "Hail Mary"  KoKo   Sep-29-11 06:29 PM   #26 
  - The car industry was saved. Millions of jobs saved. The president proved many wrong.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-29-11 09:40 PM   #38 
     - How many autoworkers and their families now qualify for food assistance?  leftstreet   Sep-29-11 10:32 PM   #41 
  - Another hilarious thread.  Solomon   Sep-29-11 07:33 PM   #31 
  - Are you talking about this one?  kentuck   Sep-29-11 10:14 PM   #40 
  - So called Dems would have done what they did..  butterfly77   Sep-29-11 09:24 PM   #34 
  - Unrec. You have no sense of history and have forgotten what happened back then.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-29-11 09:38 PM   #37 
  - Hard to know. The Pubicans are the way they are: obstructionist.  Honeycombe8   Sep-29-11 11:26 PM   #46 
  - That is true but...  kentuck   Sep-30-11 05:50 AM   #50 
     - But...they HAVE been obstructionist from teh start...and taht lead to picking up seats in theHouse  Honeycombe8   Sep-30-11 12:06 PM   #53 
        - As Harry Truman once explained, when people have a chance to vote  truedelphi   Sep-30-11 12:41 PM   #57 
           - I think Gates was a good choice. Geithner & the others...I agree, very bad.  Honeycombe8   Oct-02-11 11:56 AM   #77 
  - What would have happened:  MilesColtrane   Sep-30-11 12:26 PM   #54 
  - No, the Dems would have won if they'd done the right thing and played the PR angle correctly  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 02:27 PM   #68 
     - Economics trumps all in the voting booth.  MilesColtrane   Sep-30-11 03:00 PM   #74 
     - PERCEPTIONS of economics trump all in the voting booth  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 03:21 PM   #76 
     - just as little boot's and his band of greedy men  newspeak   Oct-02-11 01:49 PM   #82 
  - Racism would still be rampant and Republicans would have said no then too  lunatica   Sep-30-11 02:27 PM   #67 
     - Racism is definitely still powerful, BUT  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 02:29 PM   #69 
        - I keep trying to remind myself that the majority who elected him aren't racists  lunatica   Sep-30-11 02:36 PM   #71 
           - I could accept your premise if he had actually put up a fight  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 02:45 PM   #72 
              - I was answering the OP's question, not defending or condemning President Obama  lunatica   Sep-30-11 02:57 PM   #73 
                 - I agree about Hillary Clinton  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-30-11 03:18 PM   #75 
 

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