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Major Nikon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 01:27 AM
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26. You either support it or you don't
Sorry, but there's no middle ground here. If you support it for someone like John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy, then you support it for Cameron Todd Willingham or Troy Davis. Juries get to decide guilt and/or punishment, and the human factor in the equation will always be prone to mistake and manipulation.

Even if you could somehow set the bar much higher for the crimes that qualify for the DP, that bar would always be subject to political change, and even if you could somehow prevent that political change, you still have the matter of discrimination in how often and to whom the DP is applied.

The DP is evil. No other way to look at it. It does society no good, it does the taxpayer no good, and it does the victims no good. There's simply no place for it in any type of society that wants to call itself civilized.
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  -"He was 14 yrs. 6mos. and 5 days old --- and the youngest person executed in the United States." Pab Sungenis  Sep-26-11 02:04 PM   #0 
  - The more things change, the more they stay the same.  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-26-11 02:06 PM   #1 
  - Remember the freepers, fundies and teabaggers hate history and refuse to learn from it.  Initech   Sep-26-11 02:39 PM   #9 
  - poor little angel. god help us all.  roguevalley   Sep-26-11 02:41 PM   #11 
     - Yes. That says it all.  yardwork   Sep-27-11 10:21 AM   #56 
  - Dear God  get the red out   Sep-26-11 02:08 PM   #2 
  - We haven't come all that far.  Pab Sungenis   Sep-26-11 02:09 PM   #3 
  - Good lord...only 14...  joeybee12   Sep-26-11 02:13 PM   #4 
  - that's what? an 8th grader, maybe an HS freshman?  rurallib   Sep-26-11 02:30 PM   #6 
     - Given the times and where he lived, he had probably stopped going to school  LuckyLib   Sep-26-11 07:52 PM   #22 
        - IF there was a school for him to attend.  NOLALady   Sep-27-11 11:05 AM   #67 
  - So sad  madokie   Sep-26-11 02:16 PM   #5 
  - Damn- just 81 days between the crime and the date of execution..  LeftinOH   Sep-26-11 02:31 PM   #7 
  - The jury selection, trial and conviction took one day  Cali_Democrat   Sep-26-11 05:35 PM   #19 
     - Just. Wow. n/t  Earth_First   Sep-27-11 08:00 PM   #121 
  - I agree with you... Death penalty has to end...  midnight   Sep-26-11 02:32 PM   #8 
  - very very very sad  Broderick   Sep-26-11 02:40 PM   #10 
  - What kind of people could do something like this?  NNN0LHI   Sep-26-11 02:45 PM   #12 
  - Sadly, there are many many of them today, just like then, and they are working  RKP5637   Sep-26-11 02:53 PM   #14 
  - You forgot to mention that DU is full of them. Don't know if they're paid trolls or DLCs  saras   Sep-27-11 10:01 AM   #55 
     - Yeah, I've noticed that and it constantly surprises me. It always reminds me  RKP5637   Sep-27-11 12:08 PM   #89 
  - The American people and many are damn proud of it....  Bandit   Sep-26-11 04:09 PM   #16 
  - us - we did this, within living memory, and many of us would support  Warren Stupidity   Sep-26-11 05:35 PM   #20 
  - People effected by the teachings of RW hatefilled propaganda -- especially racist propaganda --!!  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 11:33 AM   #78 
  - How many believe in TORTURE still -- ??  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 11:38 AM   #80 
  - omg - that poor child  dana_b   Sep-26-11 02:52 PM   #13 
  - This wasn't that long ago. But we are in a post-racial society. Right. nt  thereismore   Sep-26-11 03:14 PM   #15 
  - this was during WWII also, later than i thought it would happen  JI7   Sep-26-11 04:56 PM   #17 
  - Everyone should read the comments and links to lynching stories  Cali_Democrat   Sep-26-11 05:34 PM   #18 
  - Southern Trees Bear Strange Fruit...  classof56   Sep-27-11 10:39 AM   #63 
  - Many people on the DU still support the death penalty. Unbelievable.  Logical   Sep-26-11 05:40 PM   #21 
  - I support it for someone like John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-27-11 12:22 AM   #24 
  - You either support it or you don't  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 01:27 AM   #26 
  - +1  trumad   Sep-27-11 06:31 AM   #36 
  - ++++ thousands  bread_and_roses   Sep-27-11 07:57 AM   #43 
  - Well said. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-27-11 08:44 AM   #48 
  - Thank you. The death penalty diminishes us all. n/t  myrna minx   Sep-27-11 10:32 AM   #60 
  - Sorry, but that is utter bullshit  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-27-11 11:21 AM   #70 
     - Either the state killing someone is wrong or it isn't --  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 11:26 AM   #73 
     - +1000!  Fearless   Sep-27-11 11:28 AM   #74 
     - +++  Ignis   Sep-27-11 05:57 PM   #112 
     - Sorry, but that is utter bullshit  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 05:25 PM   #108 
     - Ok, I'm irrational. So cry for Bundy and Gacy then  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-27-11 08:29 PM   #124 
     - More of your brilliant critical thinking skills displayed for all to see!  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 08:50 PM   #126 
     - +1 -- "vengenance and bloodlust" -- and agree re RW aims to expand it --- !!  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 09:38 PM   #128 
     - Death Penalty is the most premeditated murder of all  gort   Sep-27-11 09:48 PM   #129 
     - You are deeply wrong, PTBBIR  Arugula Latte   Sep-28-11 11:56 AM   #136 
  - There are many failed policies that could work in a perfect world.  ZombieHorde   Sep-27-11 12:43 PM   #91 
  - There will always be that poorly prepared public defender,  Enthusiast   Sep-27-11 01:48 PM   #103 
  - The death penalty is barbaric. Life in prison is the only option.  bluestate10   Sep-27-11 06:23 AM   #35 
     - Believe it or not, Texas went for decades without the option of life without parole  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 10:50 PM   #133 
  - There is NO NO NO excuse, there is no conscience.  donheld   Sep-27-11 12:19 AM   #23 
  - Just a baby  Tsiyu   Sep-27-11 01:16 AM   #25 
  - family run out of town: he "had to endure the trial & death alone." & still happening, see:  DrunkenBoat   Sep-27-11 01:43 AM   #27 
  - RW is zealous about making juveniles criminal -- tho it is our male adult population which  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 11:29 AM   #75 
  - another i never heard of: burned at the stake, 1893:  DrunkenBoat   Sep-27-11 01:52 AM   #28 
  - Fuck  dipsydoodle   Sep-27-11 05:24 AM   #31 
  - Disgusting.  blackspade   Sep-27-11 07:34 AM   #40 
  - "Beware of those with a strong urge to punish" --  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 11:31 AM   #77 
  - K & R  malaise   Sep-27-11 05:15 AM   #29 
  - My mom wrote about this in her law class (online), all the other students mocked her...  joshcryer   Sep-27-11 05:23 AM   #30 
  - My God......are you serious?!?! they probably went on to become more of the lawyers we hate.  tropicanarose   Sep-27-11 10:22 AM   #57 
  - Maybe it's just me but this seems frivolous. And ridiculous.  Ostanes   Sep-27-11 05:27 AM   #32 
  - Welcome to DU  NNN0LHI   Sep-27-11 06:05 AM   #33 
  - So it doesn't matter just because it happened sixty years ago?  strategery blunder   Sep-27-11 06:12 AM   #34 
  - I am puzzled by your comment  Papagoose   Sep-27-11 06:40 AM   #37 
  - Racism still exists to this day.  Jamastiene   Sep-27-11 06:50 AM   #38 
  - Really?  dddem   Sep-27-11 07:52 AM   #41 
  - Notable racism still exist today ESPECIALLY in the judicial system, color DOES matter here  uponit7771   Sep-27-11 08:22 AM   #45 
  - It's just you.  blackspade   Sep-27-11 08:27 AM   #46 
  - Exactly. I seem to recall a fairly recent incident.  FedUp_Queer   Sep-27-11 10:35 AM   #62 
  - "Assuming he was wrongly executed."  FedUp_Queer   Sep-27-11 10:32 AM   #61 
  - Others have eloquently rebutted your post so I won't bother to try.  classof56   Sep-27-11 10:48 AM   #64 
  - Every exoneration of a prisoner who was put to death weakens arguments in favor of the DP.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-27-11 10:58 AM   #66 
  - We can learn from what happens in the past. We just don't ever seem to be able to do it  LuckyLib   Sep-27-11 11:25 AM   #72 
  - "Frivolous and ridiculous" .... ???  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 11:48 AM   #85 
  - It was the 40s. Within the lifetime of many people still living. And that kind of  DrunkenBoat   Sep-27-11 01:19 PM   #97 
  - The truth matters.  ChadwickHenryWard   Sep-27-11 01:37 PM   #99 
  - Among other things in your statement, who is YOU people? n/t  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 08:08 PM   #122 
  - And people have to wonder why the jury in the OJ Simpson trial  Ilsa   Sep-27-11 06:53 AM   #39 
  - It just goes to show that too many are swayed by emotion rather than reason  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 06:35 PM   #115 
  - words cannot expresse the horror of this...n/t  hue   Sep-27-11 07:55 AM   #42 
  - Youngest?  kctim   Sep-27-11 08:17 AM   #44 
  - How do you know, for certain, that they were his victims?  MadHound   Sep-27-11 08:30 AM   #47 
  - The OP is about "the youngest person executed in the United States"  kctim   Sep-27-11 09:20 AM   #52 
     - An eye for an eye soon makes the whole world blind.  MadHound   Sep-27-11 09:28 AM   #53 
        - Sorry, but I have done research  kctim   Sep-27-11 10:27 AM   #58 
           - Illuminate us on that research, please.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-27-11 11:06 AM   #68 
           - Crickets  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 07:53 PM   #119 
           - I don't know one way or the other about this poor little guys's  polly7   Sep-27-11 11:31 AM   #76 
           - which is why, historically, young men were drafted, and now, recruited.  dddem   Sep-27-11 01:39 PM   #100 
           - This Sort Of Semantic Blurring Is Nonesense, Sir, And a Dead Tip-Off Honest Argument Is Not Intended  The Magistrate   Sep-27-11 11:35 AM   #79 
           - Since study after study shows the death penalty to be useless...  S_E_Fudd   Sep-27-11 12:44 PM   #92 
              - The Disctinction Some Claim Between Vengeance And Justice, Sir, Has Always Eluded Me....  The Magistrate   Sep-27-11 06:18 PM   #114 
                 - So apparently you believe in an emotional response thinly veiled as justice  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 09:12 PM   #127 
                    - A Pretty Basic Fellow, Myself, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-27-11 10:09 PM   #130 
                       - Good for you  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 10:14 PM   #131 
           - And who are you?  MadHound   Sep-27-11 11:59 AM   #87 
           - They are nothing alike  kctim   Sep-27-11 12:47 PM   #93 
              - Just because it has the force of law does not mean...  S_E_Fudd   Sep-27-11 12:53 PM   #94 
              - What revenge does one get  kctim   Sep-27-11 02:16 PM   #105 
              - well then, with all due respect, consider these facts,  dddem   Sep-27-11 01:42 PM   #101 
              - Facts are facts  kctim   Sep-27-11 02:12 PM   #104 
                 - huh?  dddem   Sep-27-11 05:38 PM   #110 
                    - I'm not trying to "win" anything  kctim   Sep-28-11 08:29 AM   #134 
              - And what about the innocents that the state murders?  MadHound   Sep-27-11 10:14 PM   #132 
           - And nothing probably will  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 07:56 PM   #120 
  - Actually, DNA evidence indicates we were executing innocent people all the time.  caseymoz   Sep-27-11 09:12 AM   #51 
  - That has nothing to do with the fact that kids younger are executed daily  kctim   Sep-27-11 10:29 AM   #59 
     - If you just want to hear you're own point, I suggest a blog.  caseymoz   Sep-27-11 11:10 AM   #69 
        - You can call  kctim   Sep-27-11 01:15 PM   #95 
           - What understanding of the word execution do you have then?  caseymoz   Sep-27-11 03:00 PM   #107 
  - And yet, given the circumstances of the murders, there is reason to believe  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-27-11 09:38 AM   #54 
  - STFU!!!!  rbnyc   Sep-27-11 11:43 AM   #84 
     - Oh noes  kctim   Sep-27-11 12:30 PM   #90 
  - This fucking country  ellie   Sep-27-11 08:55 AM   #49 
  - This kind of thing happens around the world  Raine   Sep-27-11 05:54 PM   #111 
     - Yes, but we are the beacon of democracy and freedom  ellie   Sep-27-11 06:07 PM   #113 
     - Sure, and those places are known as the 3rd world  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 06:43 PM   #117 
  - Sickening government-sponsored barbarism  democrank   Sep-27-11 09:04 AM   #50 
  - Reminds me of Steven King's - The Green Mile  avaistheone1   Sep-27-11 10:48 AM   #65 
  - One day, these RW courts will be compared to Germany's Nuremberg Judges/Laws --  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 11:21 AM   #71 
  - Somewhere a GOP mob laughs and applauds  Politicub   Sep-27-11 11:41 AM   #81 
  - Horrific.  Arugula Latte   Sep-27-11 11:41 AM   #82 
  - If your psyche can withstand the assault pick up a copy of Without Sanctuary. The images will make  Citizen Worker   Sep-27-11 11:42 AM   #83 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Sep-27-11 11:50 AM   #86 
  - Even if you support the death penalty in some cases, it should be illegal for minors.  Liberty Belle   Sep-27-11 12:02 PM   #88 
  - But he was black...  Glassunion   Sep-27-11 01:18 PM   #96 
  - "the young boy couldnt have killed two girls"  greiner3   Sep-27-11 01:32 PM   #98 
  - This is the part that gets me  wryter2000   Sep-27-11 01:47 PM   #102 
  - The world used to be a much rougher place  CopingBarker   Sep-27-11 02:43 PM   #106 
  - Society isn't evolving fast enough, and these things remind us of what we are capable  Major Nikon   Sep-27-11 07:18 PM   #118 
  - kick  Blue_Tires   Sep-27-11 05:36 PM   #109 
  - I would be interested to see how they clear his name  Raine   Sep-27-11 06:41 PM   #116 
  - I have never heard of this story before, thanks for posting. It is scandalous the history of the  Jefferson23   Sep-27-11 08:18 PM   #123 
  - Absolutely appalling!!!!!!!!!  Beacool   Sep-27-11 08:39 PM   #125 
  - OMG what a baby face! How tragic...and the beat goes on.  Alameda   Sep-28-11 11:53 AM   #135 
  - Kids are very capable or murder  CopingBarker   Sep-29-11 02:39 PM   #137 

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