| 145. Being overweight is not a "protected class " either. |
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If you are good at your job, your appearance or what you do (legally) on your off hours is none of your employer's business, period. This is not about being "protected" etc. It is not about "endangering" (which is ludicrous) people.
No employer is forced to give people "smoke breaks" but they are required to furnish breaks for all employees depending on the length of shift. If you have objections to people taking extra breaks on company time, feel free to complain to your boss.
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| -Only Non-Smokers Need Apply At Baylor |
The Northerner |
Sep-24-11 01:35 AM |
#0 |
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I believe they're within their rights to do this. |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Sep-24-11 01:39 AM |
#1 |
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So do drinkers. I cannot wait for companies to bar people who drink from being hired. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-24-11 01:46 AM |
#2 |
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Companies have every right not to hire or to terminate people that |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:20 AM |
#45 |
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sorry zero-tolerance doesnt work that way.. in our zero-tolerance nation. |
meow mix |
Sep-24-11 02:17 PM |
#112 |
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Not all alcohol is bad. Red Wine has been shown to have health benefits |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:00 PM |
#97 |
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Yup. No overweight folks either. |
HappyMe |
Sep-24-11 08:22 PM |
#154 |
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"Former drug users need not apply at Baylor" -- imagine how the same people would react |
Leopolds Ghost |
Sep-25-11 08:42 AM |
#168 |
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Not to repeat a tired line but, |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 01:55 AM |
#4 |
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Me too |
Politicalboi |
Sep-24-11 03:23 AM |
#9 |
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Gee, next thing ya know, they'll fire you for having "bad" DNA. |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 02:23 AM |
#6 |
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+1 |
area51 |
Sep-24-11 04:16 AM |
#14 |
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You're making an overstatement. nt. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:56 AM |
#37 |
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It saddens me to see you compare a personal choice with the way a person is born. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:22 AM |
#57 |
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Why does it "sadden" you? You aren't pulling the string, I see. Tsk, tsk. |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 12:32 PM |
#80 |
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That's most likely on its way... |
BiggJawn |
Sep-24-11 11:20 AM |
#71 |
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Henry Ford, the fascist and a fan of Hitler, had a "social department' for his workers. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-24-11 02:30 AM |
#7 |
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It IS discrimination |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 05:37 AM |
#19 |
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There's almost always discrimination in every hiring |
Major Nikon |
Sep-24-11 02:08 PM |
#104 |
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Not hiring a blind person to drive a truck is not, by any stretch of the imagination, discrimination |
dflprincess |
Sep-24-11 10:55 PM |
#157 |
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Certainly the moral issue is much larger than the legal issue |
Major Nikon |
Sep-25-11 09:39 AM |
#169 |
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Yep, that the BS we were all served, but health care nor insurance rates have |
Lionessa |
Sep-24-11 05:43 AM |
#21 |
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Fat people have health problems too. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-24-11 07:07 AM |
#24 |
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fat people are already on the list, even if it's unofficial. |
Sirveri |
Sep-24-11 07:39 AM |
#30 |
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What about Native Americans who use tobacco as part of their religious beliefs? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-24-11 11:09 AM |
#69 |
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But where does this end? |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-24-11 11:26 AM |
#74 |
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No business should base any hiring or retention of employees |
Occulus |
Sep-24-11 01:49 AM |
#3 |
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Exactly. My comp prohibits employees smoking on campus and offers free |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 01:56 AM |
#5 |
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so it's ok for your 4th-grade son's teacher to work as a stripper in her off hours? |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 07:16 AM |
#26 |
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It's fine with me |
Occulus |
Sep-24-11 10:07 AM |
#54 |
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Why wouldn't it be? |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:24 AM |
#58 |
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just wondered if anyone thought it might be disruptive to learning |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 02:38 PM |
#124 |
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Now why would the students know? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 03:55 PM |
#135 |
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no - obviously not - but do you think anonymity is guaranteeed? |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 04:53 PM |
#136 |
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Privacy in the modern us s a fantasy |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 11:20 PM |
#160 |
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Since when do male students need facts to base their raging hormone fantasies on? |
Gidney N Cloyd |
Sep-25-11 10:43 AM |
#174 |
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yes but I prefer that we paid teachers enough to not have to work a second job. |
Warren Stupidity |
Sep-24-11 10:24 AM |
#59 |
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I'm fine with it. |
bigwillq |
Sep-24-11 10:25 AM |
#61 |
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As long as she isn't stripping in class, I don't see why her legal, off hours activities |
Arkansas Granny |
Sep-24-11 11:00 AM |
#67 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-24-11 11:26 AM |
#75 |
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Why the fuck wouldn't it be? |
Joe the Revelator |
Sep-24-11 11:47 AM |
#77 |
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Wouldn't bother me |
Major Nikon |
Sep-24-11 02:10 PM |
#108 |
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ok - so let's say you are a Project Manager for a state whose job is to |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 04:57 PM |
#137 |
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Come on |
etherealtruth |
Sep-24-11 06:09 PM |
#139 |
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EXACTLY my point - thank you |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 06:27 PM |
#143 |
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I don't think so ... |
etherealtruth |
Sep-24-11 07:48 PM |
#152 |
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but it does place a limit on you in terms of your off-hours empolyment |
DrDan |
Sep-25-11 04:46 AM |
#161 |
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I saw this coming over 25 years ago. Baylor is hardly the first to institute such a policy. . . |
Journeyman |
Sep-24-11 02:37 AM |
#8 |
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Or we have unions to protect us from fascism. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-24-11 03:41 AM |
#10 |
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Preventing smokers from endangering sick people is not fascism. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:26 AM |
#47 |
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Can a sick person make a smoker ill? Maybe we ought to just kill everyone off! nt |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 10:10 AM |
#55 |
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You're becoming desperate. Can't win on logic and commonsense? nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 01:40 PM |
#90 |
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We're not even talking about people smoking at work. |
KamaAina |
Sep-24-11 06:13 PM |
#140 |
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3-5 packs? jeez. |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 04:09 AM |
#12 |
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3-5 Packs a day? I'd quit just because I'd be too broke to buy em. |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:01 PM |
#98 |
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When I took up the addiction, in 1970, smokes cost about 30¢ a pack. . . |
Journeyman |
Sep-24-11 03:38 PM |
#130 |
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If smoking didn't make you stink |
Jane Austin |
Sep-24-11 03:50 AM |
#11 |
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I'm an ex smoker and that's ridiculous. I hang out with several smokers and ex-smokers and no one |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 04:11 AM |
#13 |
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I'm an ex-smoker, and I disagree |
bhikkhu |
Sep-24-11 02:27 PM |
#119 |
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their hair, their clothes and their breath smell. |
PADemD |
Sep-24-11 05:14 AM |
#16 |
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obviously they don't deserve jobs. |
Tunkamerica |
Sep-24-11 05:23 AM |
#18 |
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Smokers are an imminent threat to sick people. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:23 AM |
#46 |
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That is a good argument for banning people from smoking at work... |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-24-11 11:29 AM |
#76 |
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you have asthma? You are costing too much $$. No JOB for you! nt |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 07:11 AM |
#25 |
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What gets me is the number of breaks smokers take each day... |
Darth_Kitten |
Sep-24-11 08:26 AM |
#48 |
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I'm a non-smoker and I always took a break with 'em. |
bengalherder |
Sep-24-11 11:25 AM |
#73 |
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The smokers don't have to account for every minute of their workdays... |
Darth_Kitten |
Sep-24-11 06:03 PM |
#138 |
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And some people don't bathe regularly and splash stinking cologne |
Joe Fields |
Sep-25-11 10:21 AM |
#170 |
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BRAVO for Baylor |
DrDan |
Sep-24-11 05:12 AM |
#15 |
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BAylor has not allowed smoking on hospital grounds for years |
Uben |
Sep-24-11 05:21 AM |
#17 |
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It's discrimination, pure and simple. |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 05:38 AM |
#20 |
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No it isn't. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:47 AM |
#34 |
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Eating is legal and a choice, and sometimes people get fat engaging in that behavior. |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 07:49 AM |
#35 |
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Overweight people do not present a clear and present danger to seriously |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:01 AM |
#38 |
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It common sense, really. I don't understand why more don't get that. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:28 AM |
#62 |
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well, yes it is, actually. |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 08:12 AM |
#41 |
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Smoking is a choice, not an unchangeable characteristic. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:17 AM |
#44 |
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It is a lifestyle choice, just like anything else |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 08:35 AM |
#52 |
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Its a choice that affects everyone, not just the individual. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:31 AM |
#63 |
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It's an addictive predisposition for many, nestled in your DNA--like alcoholism. |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 12:37 PM |
#82 |
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Humans are all flawed in one form or another |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 12:52 PM |
#84 |
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They are also banning chewing tobacco, so it's not just about the sick people. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-24-11 11:12 AM |
#70 |
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Smokers do not endanger their patients |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:29 PM |
#144 |
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I agree with denying jobs to healthcare workers who smoke around patients. |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-25-11 02:29 PM |
#179 |
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Oh yeah, exactly the same. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-24-11 10:25 AM |
#60 |
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well, yeah, it is... |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 01:14 PM |
#86 |
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Were you born a smoker? |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:03 PM |
#100 |
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It has nothing whatsoever to do with choice. |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 02:07 PM |
#103 |
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Not buying it |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:22 PM |
#115 |
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whether you 'buy' it or not is irrelevant. It is still discrimination. |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 02:26 PM |
#118 |
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Odd how it's mostly smokers that feel that way |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:32 PM |
#122 |
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Choose better parents. The "addictive personality" is a genetic condition. |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 03:19 PM |
#129 |
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Discrimination. |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:58 AM |
#22 |
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Would you cut off a good finger because another finger is infected? |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:55 AM |
#36 |
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Smokers are not a protected class. |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Sep-24-11 12:44 PM |
#83 |
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Being overweight is not a "protected class " either. |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:37 PM |
#145 |
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If I were in HR... |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Sep-24-11 07:02 AM |
#23 |
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More power to Baylor. Smoking is a choice. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:24 AM |
#27 |
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living is a choice too. nt |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 07:30 AM |
#28 |
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Whatever. I choose to live and not smoke. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 07:38 AM |
#29 |
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yeah, they are lighting up in patients rooms and blowing smoke in babies faces. |
boston bean |
Sep-24-11 07:43 AM |
#32 |
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You are right. If the behavior of the people you mentioned causes |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:09 AM |
#40 |
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What? You want to blood test people daily for alcohol? |
NutmegYankee |
Sep-24-11 08:32 AM |
#51 |
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Where did I say test daily? |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 01:52 PM |
#94 |
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It was implied. |
NutmegYankee |
Sep-24-11 07:22 PM |
#151 |
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so is going to a bar that allows it - I am sure you are ok with that too (nt) |
The Straight Story |
Sep-24-11 01:46 PM |
#91 |
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I personally would not patronize a bar or restaurant that allows smoking. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 01:55 PM |
#95 |
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Smoking is legal |
Aerows |
Sep-24-11 07:42 AM |
#31 |
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Baylor Health Systems has a right not to hire smokers. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:16 AM |
#43 |
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So what you're saying is you are for discrimination |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 08:45 AM |
#53 |
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That one has a LOT in common with the 'baggers.... |
PassingFair |
Sep-24-11 10:18 AM |
#56 |
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I prefer to be called a Moderate with commonsense. |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:02 PM |
#99 |
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You're right, of course. |
PassingFair |
Sep-24-11 02:17 PM |
#113 |
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Discrimination is when one denies a person due to an unchangeable |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 01:57 PM |
#96 |
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That is YOUR definition, conveniently crafted to fit your own prejudices |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 02:04 PM |
#102 |
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That is not the legal definition of discrimination. To be legally |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-24-11 02:13 PM |
#109 |
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Thank you. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:18 PM |
#114 |
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Yes, all smoking doctors should be shit-canned. |
PassingFair |
Sep-24-11 02:23 PM |
#116 |
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There's that word 'choice' again... |
ixion |
Sep-24-11 02:28 PM |
#120 |
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I've heard all of my life from people who thought |
Aerows |
Sep-25-11 11:13 AM |
#177 |
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So according to your legal definition |
Eric_323 |
Sep-24-11 03:47 PM |
#132 |
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In some cases? |
Aerows |
Sep-25-11 11:09 AM |
#176 |
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So let me get back to another example I used |
Aerows |
Sep-25-11 11:33 AM |
#178 |
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It's legal. Stupid, but legal. nt |
LWolf |
Sep-24-11 02:25 PM |
#117 |
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Companies should control ALL personal behavior of employees - and rid themselves of all undesirable |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 07:44 AM |
#33 |
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sorry... but i have the right to privacy |
LadyInAZ |
Sep-24-11 01:12 PM |
#85 |
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I was being facetious - in an attempt at making a point |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 01:38 PM |
#89 |
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"The FDA estimates smoking costs American employers some $200 billion a year in lost productivity.." |
Cool Logic |
Sep-24-11 08:08 AM |
#39 |
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This is common in healthcare. |
XanaDUer |
Sep-24-11 08:15 AM |
#42 |
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I favor adding alcohol and illegal drugs to that Scan. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 08:27 AM |
#49 |
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They've already got that covered |
XanaDUer |
Sep-24-11 08:28 AM |
#50 |
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No. Because there are many routes for getting HIV, many which the affected |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:09 PM |
#105 |
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But they still may be injurious to employees |
XanaDUer |
Sep-24-11 06:48 PM |
#148 |
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a pro discrimination DUer. swell |
dionysus |
Sep-24-11 12:12 PM |
#78 |
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Read up on the definition of discrimination. You seriously need to. nt |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:04 PM |
#101 |
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I believe there is a name for that.... |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:44 PM |
#146 |
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i was trying to be nice eilen. |
dionysus |
Sep-24-11 08:16 PM |
#153 |
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When employers CAN pick and choose, they will |
SoCalDem |
Sep-24-11 10:49 AM |
#64 |
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Smoking is bad for children. nt |
Zorra |
Sep-24-11 10:52 AM |
#65 |
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I would have an easier time understanding this if tobacco was an illegal substance. |
Arkansas Granny |
Sep-24-11 10:57 AM |
#66 |
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agreed. tobacco is legal. end of story. |
Joe Fields |
Sep-25-11 10:28 AM |
#171 |
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Seems logical. Seeing doctors smoking outside a healthcare facility is a big turnoff. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Sep-24-11 11:03 AM |
#68 |
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Much as I oppose tobacco use... |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-24-11 11:20 AM |
#72 |
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Any university with Ken Starr as it's President is a joke. |
Patriot 76 |
Sep-24-11 12:29 PM |
#79 |
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I wouldn't even complete the application if that stipulation appeared |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-24-11 12:37 PM |
#81 |
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How about the obese???? |
RagAss |
Sep-24-11 01:25 PM |
#87 |
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Few things about my obsesity vs. smokers |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:09 PM |
#106 |
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Is your obesity a genetic predisposition? Do you have fat forebears? |
MADem |
Sep-24-11 03:39 PM |
#131 |
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I've never heard it put so well..Thanks....n/t |
RagAss |
Sep-24-11 08:43 PM |
#155 |
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Anytime. |
MADem |
Sep-25-11 07:04 AM |
#164 |
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if you tripped and fell on me it would ... |
Joe Fields |
Sep-25-11 10:29 AM |
#172 |
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I have no problem with this. n-t |
Logical |
Sep-24-11 01:29 PM |
#88 |
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I never expected to see this much anti-worker sentiment on DU. |
name not needed |
Sep-24-11 01:48 PM |
#92 |
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some of these posts remind me that there can be a fascism on the left just as easy as there can be |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 01:51 PM |
#93 |
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You use the term "Fascism" too lightly. Beware because YOU will be part |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:14 PM |
#110 |
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those who support bullying people and pushing them around and telling them what they can do in their |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 02:29 PM |
#121 |
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Yet in the immortal words of Iñigo Montoya |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 03:52 PM |
#133 |
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I think you have characterized the concept of "Nanny-State' |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 06:48 PM |
#147 |
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Non-smokers |
SOS |
Sep-24-11 02:10 PM |
#107 |
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You have an important concern. Do any of those people exhale what |
bluestate10 |
Sep-24-11 02:16 PM |
#111 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-24-11 02:33 PM |
#123 |
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I believe people have the right to end their life if they choose. |
gulliver |
Sep-24-11 02:47 PM |
#125 |
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I would normally think what you posted is pretty harsh however... |
LynneSin |
Sep-24-11 02:53 PM |
#126 |
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There's a "pretty" death? |
PassingFair |
Sep-24-11 03:17 PM |
#128 |
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Oh I know Death is not pretty |
LynneSin |
Sep-25-11 05:57 AM |
#162 |
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Fuck Baylor then. |
Rex |
Sep-24-11 02:54 PM |
#127 |
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While the policy is discriminatory |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 03:54 PM |
#134 |
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I've been a nurse for 14 years. |
eilen |
Sep-24-11 07:05 PM |
#150 |
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As a former medic I am aware |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-24-11 11:19 PM |
#159 |
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thank you, from a conscientous smoker who tries to keep it to himself. |
Joe Fields |
Sep-25-11 10:34 AM |
#173 |
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Anyone have a picture of Ken Starr lighting up a Cuban? |
KamaAina |
Sep-24-11 06:14 PM |
#141 |
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To Ken Starr, "lighting up a Cuban" |
MADem |
Sep-25-11 07:15 AM |
#166 |
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Definitely a slippery slope |
Blasphemer |
Sep-24-11 06:23 PM |
#142 |
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Good for Baylor. Until we have UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, this is what |
madinmaryland |
Sep-24-11 06:51 PM |
#149 |
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more like "good for bigotry and discrimination" |
dionysus |
Sep-24-11 10:42 PM |
#156 |
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Bigotry --> ABSOLUTELY NOT; discrimination --> maybe, but only |
madinmaryland |
Sep-24-11 11:12 PM |
#158 |
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no this is about people smoking off-duty - outside of work |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-25-11 07:14 AM |
#165 |
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The Law of Unintended Consequences: Lack of cigarette taxes hurts state coffers (note the spelling). |
WinkyDink |
Sep-25-11 06:01 AM |
#163 |
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Health Care? |
JustAnotherGen |
Sep-25-11 07:54 AM |
#167 |
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I think it is okay. People can quit smoking. |
roody |
Sep-25-11 10:49 AM |
#175 |
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